fubar

San Jose, CA

#22 Mar 14, 2014
Texan wrote:
Yes it is that bad, you can buy stuff at Wal-Mart if you have a job, you know one of those that are now making stuff outside of America. Food is comparibly inexpensive, again if you have a job. Gasoline, and natural gas, great; if you have a job. Freedom of Speech, and The Right to Bare Arms----- within limits. Not sure about the low income taxes. As to how is the country being destroyed? From within sir, from with in. Remember those who will sacrifice freedoms for safety deserve neither.
The rot you speak of started before Clinton or Bush 1.
You're right about "if you have a job".
I don't shop at Wal-Mart unless I am in Texas. Since Sam died they have played a huge role in the loss of U.S.A. manufacturing jobs and many small town businesses. We are all free to shop and buy whatever we want. It is disingenuous to complain about unemployment and shop with companies that are actively trying to ship American jobs overseas. I understand people want to save money and there is nothing wrong with that. I am not rich but I will pay a little extra ,to not shop at Wal-Mart. I understand it is almost impossible to not buy (communist) Chinese stuff and I am not criticizing anyone for doing so. If people don't support American jobs, we will continue to lose them.

There are lots of people in this country who hate for working people to make a decent wage. As Americans we usually over value ourselves and under value our fellow Americans. I am not sure why so many people begrudge their fellow man from making a good wage for good honest work.
Elaine

Houston, TX

#23 Mar 14, 2014
fubar wrote:
<quoted text>The rot you speak of started before Clinton or Bush 1.
There are lots of people in this country who hate for working people to make a decent wage. As Americans we usually over value ourselves and under value our fellow Americans. I am not sure why so many people begrudge their fellow man from making a good wage for good honest work.
Who should decide what is a decent wage? How do you define "good honest work"?

It's a nice sentiment, but the man in the Whitehouse who has never swept a floor in his life should not make that decision. Nor should anyone in Washington make decisions about commerce and toil 1000 miles away.

That decision is reserved for the worker and employer at the moment the task needs to be performed. They enter into an agreement based on how much the employer can pay and how hungry the worker is. To think that a bureaucrat in Washington knows better how this agreement should be made is ridiculous.
fubar

Corona, CA

#24 Mar 15, 2014
Elaine wrote:
<quoted text>
Who should decide what is a decent wage? How do you define "good honest work"?
It's a nice sentiment, but the man in the Whitehouse who has never swept a floor in his life should not make that decision. Nor should anyone in Washington make decisions about commerce and toil 1000 miles away.
That decision is reserved for the worker and employer at the moment the task needs to be performed. They enter into an agreement based on how much the employer can pay and how hungry the worker is. To think that a bureaucrat in Washington knows better how this agreement should be made is ridiculous.
I didn't mention Obama and I was not referring to him. When you say it depends on how "hungry" the worker is you lose me. That is what creates an adversarial relationship between worker and employer.If you want people to be loyal and do the best job they can , you are not placing yourself in a great position as an employer especially where skilled labor is involved..That is the very reason there are so many people working illegally in our country. I would hate to have people working for me who earn less than the cost of food and shelter. I try to patronize businesses that try and pay a living wage. This is just my own opinion and everyone has the right to their own opinion. I feel like not everyone should be in business and if you can't pay a decent wage , maybe you're not someone who should own a business.
fubar

Corona, CA

#25 Mar 15, 2014
B.T.W. I have pushed a broom, cleaned a toilet, dug a ditch and worked as a craftsman among other things.
Elaine

Houston, TX

#26 Mar 15, 2014
fubar wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't mention Obama and I was not referring to him. When you say it depends on how "hungry" the worker is you lose me. That is what creates an adversarial relationship between worker and employer.If you want people to be loyal and do the best job they can , you are not placing yourself in a great position as an employer especially where skilled labor is involved..That is the very reason there are so many people working illegally in our country. I would hate to have people working for me who earn less than the cost of food and shelter. I try to patronize businesses that try and pay a living wage. This is just my own opinion and everyone has the right to their own opinion. I feel like not everyone should be in business and if you can't pay a decent wage , maybe you're not someone who should own a business.
The Obummer reference was in response to his threat to force overtime and a minimum wage by Executive order. He is meddling in business that he has never seen up close.

Your Illegal immigrant reference demonstrates perfectly my "Hungry" comment. These are the people who are hungry enough to travel across the country because of their hunger for something as little as their next meal and as good as a better life. Most of them make the decision to accept the work at the rate offered, just to get to eat that day.

Sometimes a business, regardless of the ownership's intention, does not generate enough revenue to properly pay it's employees a living wage. It exists because there is always someone who is hungry enough to work for very little. No titans are getting rich in these businesses.

We have bred a generation of people who, as citizens, are entitled to welfare in its various forms. They will never be hungry enough to take the low wages of labor and give up their benefits. That's why we have high unemployment, but a shortage of labor and a demand for illegals.

I, too, have mopped floors and cleaned toilets. I have also roofed houses and worked night shift in a chemical plant while I finished my education. Everyone has that opportunity to better themselves financially. Very few take that challenge. Instead, they demand it like it is some kind of "right".
sue

Crosby, TX

#27 Mar 15, 2014
post 26 is absolutely correct ---BUT-- if SUE had made that statement
there would be screams of RACIST
post 23 is also correct
government wants to control our entire lives
including when we breathe and tax us for the oxygen used.
Beth

La Porte, TX

#28 Mar 15, 2014
Yes, Fox would rather have Putin for our President than Obama.

Only a devout communist...or communist sympathizer would want that.

A vote for a Republican is a vote for communism.
sue

Crosby, TX

#29 Mar 15, 2014
ooooohhh come on now BETH
do you actually believe FOX stated (we would rather have PUTIN for our leader )I just bet you DO NOT watch fox news
if you are parroting post #1 take in consideration there are some among us that shall we say add a bit to things
if YOU really believe that fox loves PUTIN BS.
I have a bridge for sale
it crosses the HOUSTON ship channel at BAYTOWN
it has pretty yellow cables on it
I believe you may be interested in buying it.
Elaine

Houston, TX

#30 Mar 15, 2014
Beth wrote:
Yes, Fox would rather have Putin for our President than Obama.
Only a devout communist...or communist sympathizer would want that.
A vote for a Republican is a vote for communism.
GOAT, there's not much difference between Putin and Obummer. They are both narcissistic, megalomaniac commies. Putin is just better at his job.
fubar

San Jose, CA

#31 Mar 16, 2014
sue wrote:
post 26 is absolutely correct ---BUT-- if SUE had made that statement
there would be screams of RACIST
post 23 is also correct
government wants to control our entire lives
including when we breathe and tax us for the oxygen used.
There was absolutely nothing racist about Elaine's Post #26.

I will add that forcing companies with govt. Contracts to pay a living wage sounds good to me. Contractors just pass the cost on and it costs them nothing. I understand that ultimately taxpayers will have to pay for it, but the greatest country in the world should pay a living wage. Private business not working for the govt. Is a different story.
fubar

San Jose, CA

#32 Mar 16, 2014
sue wrote:
ooooohhh come on now BETH
do you actually believe FOX stated (we would rather have PUTIN for our leader )I just bet you DO NOT watch fox news
if you are parroting post #1 take in consideration there are some among us that shall we say add a bit to things
if YOU really believe that fox loves PUTIN BS.
I have a bridge for sale
it crosses the HOUSTON ship channel at BAYTOWN
it has pretty yellow cables on it
I believe you may be interested in buying it.
Sorry Sue what I posted at #1 is what I heard with my own ears. You need to reread the post to see what I really did say and not what you said. There was an error in the tiger statement. Putin shot a tiger that was tranquilized and in a snare. Most people call that a "canned" hunt. I should have caught that before I posted it.

I did say some posters in here had said they would like to have Putin instead of Obama. Even Elaine claims Putin is doing a better job than Obama which is not true, especially if you value free speech. I would suggest people research what exactly is going on in Russia before you say anything good about Putin. Elaine has a right to her opinion though, in America we have a right to say whatever we want, unlike Russia.
sue

Crosby, TX

#33 Mar 16, 2014
the last sentence in post 21
pretty well described some peoples agendas.
Beth

La Porte, TX

#34 Mar 16, 2014
Consider this. What would happen if Mexico and Canada had the same minimum wage? What do you think would happen to illegal immigration?

Elaine seems to think that we should not have a minimum wage. What would that do to illegal immigration?

While you are at it, let's do away with all labor laws, especially child labor laws.

That is what you people want correct? Government out of your business?
Beth

La Porte, TX

#35 Mar 16, 2014
Just to clarify, I mean that Mexico, Canada and the USA had the same minimum wage.
Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#36 Mar 16, 2014
This whole thing is nothing more than another Obozo job killing move. Small Business provides most of the jobs in this country.

Personally I'm glad that I don't have a business anymore and decided to never start another one with a worthless and petty tyrant dictating how much I have to pay out, conform to some
ridiculous regulations and meanwhile taxing the hell out of me.

Obozo and the rest of the statist morons can stick it all where the sun doesn't shine. If Obozo gets his way, watch quite a few small business owners shut their doors and add to the under-reported unemployment statistics.
Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#37 Mar 16, 2014
fubar wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't mention Obama and I was not referring to him. When you say it depends on how "hungry" the worker is you lose me. That is what creates an adversarial relationship between worker and employer.If you want people to be loyal and do the best job they can , you are not placing yourself in a great position as an employer especially where skilled labor is involved..That is the very reason there are so many people working illegally in our country. I would hate to have people working for me who earn less than the cost of food and shelter. I try to patronize businesses that try and pay a living wage. This is just my own opinion and everyone has the right to their own opinion. I feel like not everyone should be in business and if you can't pay a decent wage , maybe you're not someone who should own a business.
Obviously, you have never owned a business.
Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#38 Mar 16, 2014
Beth wrote:
Consider this. What would happen if Mexico and Canada had the same minimum wage? What do you think would happen to illegal immigration?
Elaine seems to think that we should not have a minimum wage. What would that do to illegal immigration?
While you are at it, let's do away with all labor laws, especially child labor laws.
That is what you people want correct? Government out of your business?
Ever hear of COL?.(Cost of living). Determine what it costs to live in each country
and get back to us. Hint: Minus the drug cartels, Mexico makes a great retirement
location for the elderly.
Elaine

Houston, TX

#39 Mar 16, 2014
Beth wrote:
Consider this. What would happen if Mexico and Canada had the same minimum wage? What do you think would happen to illegal immigration?
Elaine seems to think that we should not have a minimum wage. What would that do to illegal immigration?
While you are at it, let's do away with all labor laws, especially child labor laws.
That is what you people want correct? Government out of your business?
Sounds like a great idea, GOAT. While you are at it, why not raise the minimum wage to $20, or $30, or $50 per hour. Everyone would want to work then. Sadly, there would be no jobs.

You've learned to read minds too? Well so have I. Right now, you are thinking that those French fries need to be salted.
Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#40 Mar 16, 2014
Texan wrote:
If my plane is crashing I am not and I repeat I AM NOT GOING TO BE COMFORTABLE! Not Macy's, Sheplers, or maybe Cavanders. Those are western stores, hat, boots, things like that.
There are better places to shop before the crash anyway.

Here's one. https://www.dansdepot.com/
sue

Crosby, TX

#41 Mar 16, 2014
www.gunbroker.com for your future needs.

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