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Pinche Gringo

Baytown, TX

#21 May 6, 2013
voter wrote:
<quoted text>There are some that choose to work north of 225 at the plants, they are their for the money and benefits. Some chose corporate jobs, others chose to police officers, each of us (with some trained skills) has options where they choose to work. Given two options, wouldn't anyone choose the career which will support their families the most, and have the best benefits? Most cities match 2 to 1.
Once again, 2:1 is not the norm. You can't expect us in the private sector to accept "most cities match 2:1" when we're footing your bill and the average private sector employer matches at most 1:1 on average. You're getting an unsustainable benefit unavailable to the majority of the people who are expected to pay for your benefits.
Thinking

Houston, TX

#22 May 6, 2013
I'm not that happy with any of the candidates, but Mouton was at the bottom of the list. I might have just moved him up the list if he's going to make the bold move to make some cuts in the city budget.

voter, if you really think you can do better in the private sector, go for it. While many in the private sector have taken cuts in pay and benefits, you think you should be exempt? You're probably one of the lazy mooches that thinks the taxpayer owes you something for nothing and whines and complains if you don't get a raise. Suck it up and live with it. The city has taxed the citizens enough and serious cuts need to be made.
Fed Up

Ballwin, MO

#23 May 6, 2013
Once again the uneducated spew. If you took the time to research you would understand that TMRS is the retirement system that hundreds of cities across the state of Tx use. All of them match 2-1. Pasadena, Baytown, La Porte, Webster,Seabrook, League City, Pearland, Sugarland, Missouri City, Bellaire, just to name a few in the Houston area. This system is fair and not over generous like the Union cities in California. That is why the cities in TMRS are not going bankrupt, because they are not overpaying retirees. Is there anything wrong in asking for parity with competing cities. Do Shell employees look at what Exxon and Lubrizol employees and expect to be competitive with their salary and retirement? If the city changes the current TMRS system to 1-1. Then it would be the only city in the Houston area to do so. How would you feel if you employer did that to you, and all your competing business still matched 2-1, Would you be upset????
Fed Up

Ballwin, MO

#24 May 6, 2013
I have a family and this is my career, this is what I got a degree to do. I wish all the naysayers on here would have a forum about their job and tell them how worthless and spoiled they are. To the naysayers what makes your benefits at your job more important than mine? At one time the City of Deer Park was the best paying city in the area, but not anymore. Trust me we are dealing with it. What would your response be? And my paycheck certainly proves I'm not spoiled. We make sacrifices to work for the city because we like to help people, but when we fight for our benefits then we are worthless, spoiled brats....But of course that wasn't the case during Ike, or when cops and EMS show up to help you or a loved one....
hedgehog

Houston, TX

#25 May 7, 2013
Fed Up wrote:
I have a family and this is my career, this is what I got a degree to do. I wish all the naysayers on here would have a forum about their job and tell them how worthless and spoiled they are. To the naysayers what makes your benefits at your job more important than mine? At one time the City of Deer Park was the best paying city in the area, but not anymore. Trust me we are dealing with it. What would your response be? And my paycheck certainly proves I'm not spoiled. We make sacrifices to work for the city because we like to help people, but when we fight for our benefits then we are worthless, spoiled brats....But of course that wasn't the case during Ike, or when cops and EMS show up to help you or a loved one....
You must understand that city jobs are funded by taxpayers, shareholders if you will. Your pay or benefits are subject to overview because taxpayers are funding the system. Private businesses in recent years have reduced or cut many previous benefits for employees due to costs and demands from shareholders for a better return on their investment. Companies must make a profit or shut down. Government is not forced to do this because they can increase taxes to off set the cost of doing business i.e. salary, general, and administrative costs.

But, even with that, sometimes its not enough to control the ever expanding costs of operating a city. Therefore, after raising taxes as much as they can, reduction of benefits or reducing payroll ( employees ) is the only other way to have a balanced budget. Some of the city council are business people who have to resort to such reductions and or cuts, but they seem reluctant to do so within the city structure. Why?

Personally my benefits have been reduced over the last ten years, or more, including the company portion of our retirement. Some companies have now gone to not funding any part of their employee retirement due to a lack of funds. My insurance costs have skyrocketed as well, I'm not sure if the city has increased at the same rate or at all, but the facts are private businesses have had to make such tough decisions to satisfy their stock holders. If people aren't satisfied with their return for investing they sell off which, if done in large enough numbers, will cripple a company. Why do you think city government should be treated any differently?

Working for a city should not limit your vulnerability to real business decision that are decided every day. City employees should not be protected from having to make real business decisions for shareholders and tax payers are the shareholders. WE do not have endless funds to pay increased taxes and that is what it has come to. Increasing my costs to fund your benefits must have a limit, a ceiling, your benefits can no longer be a protected part of city budgets. I know a lot of employees in private business that had to take a pay cut as well as benefit cuts or loose their job(s). Cities will need to run more like a business or face exodus of their citizens due to excessive taxation to fund your benefits.
Fed Up

Ballwin, MO

#26 May 7, 2013
What you fail to realize HH, is the city HAS cut back our benefits and continues to do so. Like I said we USED to be the best paid city in the area, with the best benefits, we no longer are. So in following your logic we accepted our benefits dropping, however, changing our TMRS is where I draw the line. Let me ask you this HH, are job markets competitive? Is there a standard set for benefits and pay, and is that watched upon. I believe so. So if every city in the Houston area matches their employees 2-1, are you telling me I should not be upset, that I should just accept it if our city changes it 1-1? Keep in mind HH we do not make a lot of money working for the City so cutbacks to us is harder to deal with. In the Corporate job market they make much more money then we do. Like I said our benefits have dropped, we are making sacrifices, and yet we are still cry babies who are worthless. It's almost comical to think of the sacrifices I make for my family to stay in a job I love, only to be ridiculed and hated upon by the very people I serve and help.....
hedgehog

Houston, TX

#27 May 7, 2013
All I can tell you Fed Up is to make sure Mouton does not get elected as Mayor based on your comments. Use your contacts and email to spread your information, or face the consequences. Personally I'm voting for him, so you will need votes to off set mine. Good luck with that!
Voter

Pasadena, TX

#28 May 7, 2013
Our Police Department requires more qualifications than any other I know of, including a 4 year degree. It is crazy to risk our officers going to another department to seek employment. We must keep their benefits in line with other agencies to keep them. I'm not saying more, I'm saying as much as. I for one and my friends will VOTE FOR POUND to offset your vote and illogical thinking. The city can spend millions for a lost cause golf course and can't meet our city employees needs? This shows where your priorities are. You are fool if you think the way our city spends money is in our best interest. Next time you need a cop call a golf course marshall. Keep up the great work Deer Park P.D. Some of us appreciate the job you do. Now Mr. Hedgdhog, go plant your bushes and flowers.
hedgehog wrote:
All I can tell you Fed Up is to make sure Mouton does not get elected as Mayor based on your comments. Use your contacts and email to spread your information, or face the consequences. Personally I'm voting for him, so you will need votes to off set mine. Good luck with that!
winston zeddemore

Pasadena, TX

#29 May 7, 2013
Pinche Gringo wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, 2:1 is not the norm. You can't expect us in the private sector to accept "most cities match 2:1" when we're footing your bill and the average private sector employer matches at most 1:1 on average. You're getting an unsustainable benefit unavailable to the majority of the people who are expected to pay for your benefits.
a-freckin-men. you are one of the few who gets it.
winston zeddemore

Pasadena, TX

#30 May 7, 2013
Voter wrote:
Our Police Department requires more qualifications than any other I know of, including a 4 year degree. It is crazy to risk our officers going to another department to seek employment. We must keep their benefits in line with other agencies to keep them. I'm not saying more, I'm saying as much as. I for one and my friends will VOTE FOR POUND to offset your vote and illogical thinking. The city can spend millions for a lost cause golf course and can't meet our city employees needs? This shows where your priorities are. You are fool if you think the way our city spends money is in our best interest. Next time you need a cop call a golf course marshall. Keep up the great work Deer Park P.D. Some of us appreciate the job you do. Now Mr. Hedgdhog, go plant your bushes and flowers.<quoted text>
a fleet full of barney fife's could keep this town inline. come on, why do the police need degrees in this own when cities around us that have far more problems and larger areas and populations to handle, don't require them?
Voter

Deer Park, TX

#31 May 7, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I'm not that happy with any of the candidates, but Mouton was at the bottom of the list. I might have just moved him up the list if he's going to make the bold move to make some cuts in the city budget.
voter, if you really think you can do better in the private sector, go for it. While many in the private sector have taken cuts in pay and benefits, you think you should be exempt? You're probably one of the lazy mooches that thinks the taxpayer owes you something for nothing and whines and complains if you don't get a raise. Suck it up and live with it. The city has taxed the citizens enough and serious cuts need to be made.
If you have been following topix then you will know that we have each taken a cute and pay and had benefits lowered. I am a tax payer as well, I don't fell entitled. I am very thankful for me job and love my job. I will stay even if they cut more benefits. I like what I do. I like helping people and being apart of the community
Pinche Gringo

Baytown, TX

#32 May 7, 2013
Fed Up wrote:
Once again the uneducated spew. If you took the time to research you would understand that TMRS is the retirement system that hundreds of cities across the state of Tx use. All of them match 2-1. Pasadena, Baytown, La Porte, Webster,Seabrook, League City, Pearland, Sugarland, Missouri City, Bellaire, just to name a few in the Houston area. This system is fair and not over generous like the Union cities in California. That is why the cities in TMRS are not going bankrupt, because they are not overpaying retirees. Is there anything wrong in asking for parity with competing cities. Do Shell employees look at what Exxon and Lubrizol employees and expect to be competitive with their salary and retirement? If the city changes the current TMRS system to 1-1. Then it would be the only city in the Houston area to do so. How would you feel if you employer did that to you, and all your competing business still matched 2-1, Would you be upset????
What does Shell, Lubrizol and Exxon match? That should answer your question.
Fed Up

Ballwin, MO

#33 May 7, 2013
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the City of Deer Park provides better retirement then Shell, Exxon, and Lubrizol???
plus two cents

Deer Park, TX

#34 Sep 21, 2013
@Dollarbill you nailed it. Sitting around building photo books on company time. Writing love letters (still cracking up) doing homework, shopping, Facebook, family's taxes...I can go on and on. Its time to start cutting people out of the equation.
voter

Pasadena, TX

#35 Sep 22, 2013
Got to ask, who did you support in the election and how much did you support them?
Fed Up wrote:
What you fail to realize HH, is the city HAS cut back our benefits and continues to do so. Like I said we USED to be the best paid city in the area, with the best benefits, we no longer are. So in following your logic we accepted our benefits dropping, however, changing our TMRS is where I draw the line. Let me ask you this HH, are job markets competitive? Is there a standard set for benefits and pay, and is that watched upon. I believe so. So if every city in the Houston area matches their employees 2-1, are you telling me I should not be upset, that I should just accept it if our city changes it 1-1? Keep in mind HH we do not make a lot of money working for the City so cutbacks to us is harder to deal with. In the Corporate job market they make much more money then we do. Like I said our benefits have dropped, we are making sacrifices, and yet we are still cry babies who are worthless. It's almost comical to think of the sacrifices I make for my family to stay in a job I love, only to be ridiculed and hated upon by the very people I serve and help.....
voter 2

Deer Park, TX

#36 Sep 23, 2013
Voter wrote:
<quoted text>If you have been following topix then you will know that we have each taken a cute and pay and had benefits lowered am a tax payer as well, I don't fell entitled. I am very thankful for me job and love my job. I will stay even if they cut more benefits. I like what I do. I like helping people and being apart of the community
and what department do you work would love to the shake your hand

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