Obama abandons Iraq!
Elaine

Houston, TX

#1 Jun 13, 2014
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/13/us/iraq-us/inde...

He pulled out all of our troops to make a political point. He's negotiated with terrorists. Now the country is falling to the Islamist Iran. So long, democracy. Hello burkhas, honor killings and child rapes.

Now the conflict threatens to widen, with reports that Iranian special forces were in Iraq to bolster the government of Maliki, a fellow Shiite. It's a development that could result in once unthinkable military cooperation between Washington and Tehran.
GOTP

La Porte, TX

#2 Jun 13, 2014
Elaine wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/13/ us/iraq-us/index.html?hpt=hp_t 1

He pulled out all of our troops to make a political point. He's negotiated with terrorists. Now the country is falling to the Islamist Iran. So long, democracy. Hello burkhas, honor killings and child rapes.

Now the conflict threatens to widen, with reports that Iranian special forces were in Iraq to bolster the government of Maliki, a fellow Shiite. It's a development that could result in once unthinkable military cooperation between Washington and Tehran.
Yes this what happens when a Republican gets us into a bogus war we had no business getting into. 4425 lives and 1.2 trillion dollars wasted by war mongering Republicans. Thank God Obama is finally getting us out of this mess. Let the Middle East figure it out themselves.
truth is mighty shytey

Corona, CA

#3 Jun 14, 2014
Elaine wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/13/ us/iraq-us/index.html?hpt=hp_t 1
He pulled out all of our troops to make a political point. He's negotiated with terrorists. Now the country is falling to the Islamist Iran. So long, democracy. Hello burkhas, honor killings and child rapes.
Now the conflict threatens to widen, with reports that Iranian special forces were in Iraq to bolster the government of Maliki, a fellow Shiite. It's a development that could result in once unthinkable military cooperation between Washington and Tehran.
Iraq didn't want our troops occupying their country no more. Obama honored the agreements George W. and his merry band of war criminals had committed too. Remember that Obama voted against the war of lies(Iraq) before we invaded.Bush was so determined to invade Iraq they paid over $60 million to the Iraqi ex-pats to lie about Iraq and then installed them as the new government. WE broke their country and had our best ally in the region executed. Saddam hated al-Qaeda and killed them where ever he found them in his country. His country was run in a, non-sectarian manner. We freed the Iraqis to be forced into a religious war ,that will end up destroying, what was one of the most modern and well educated Arab countries. This is all BUSH,CHENEY &RUMSFELD' s doing and has nothing to do with Obama.Obama can get a chunk of the blame for Afghanistan but not Iraq. Elaine you have got to stop making stuff up as you go along . Go back to celebrating the deaths of black children .This is fubar.
GOTP

La Porte, TX

#4 Jun 14, 2014
Truth be known, that is why you will never hear this on Fox News, but the whole Iraqi war was a revenge killing by George W Bush on a hit put out by Sadam. It was also pay back to Haliburton by Cheney for their years of over paying him as their CEO. He wanted Iraqi's oil business plus the hundreds of millions KBR made supporting the troops. That is the Republican way...line their pockets with the dead skins of our young troops.
truth is mighty shytey

Corona, CA

#5 Jun 16, 2014
GOTP wrote:
Truth be known, that is why you will never hear this on Fox News, but the whole Iraqi war was a revenge killing by George W Bush on a hit put out by Sadam. It was also pay back to Haliburton by Cheney for their years of over paying him as their CEO. He wanted Iraqi's oil business plus the hundreds of millions KBR made supporting the troops. That is the Republican way...line their pockets with the dead skins of our young troops.
: KBR caused many problems in Iraq. They electrocuted and killed several American military personnel. They charged the military for millions of meals they neither made or served. They billed the military for millions of gallons of fuel they never delivered. It was KBR' s catering equipment that the dirtbags from BlackWater were guarding ,when they were killed and hung from the bridge, that led to the battle of Fallujah and hundreds of American casualties. KBR employees also gang raped two of their own employees and had the company cover it up. The problem was one of the victims husband was an officer in country so the cover up failed. The tapers will get away with it because American contractors have immunity in most criminal matters in Iraq. Oh yeah, Cheney got his last check from KBR after the war started.This is Fubar and these incidents were documented.
truth is mighty shytey

Corona, CA

#6 Jun 16, 2014
...rapers....
Texan

Wichita, KS

#7 Jun 17, 2014
Reagan was praised for the breakup of the Soviet Union, Bush was praised for the overthrow of Saddam Hussien. Two of the worst things that have ever happened. Whether you approve of the way they did it, or not they did keep the crazies in check. Since they have been gone it's been one extremist war after another. The extremist were afraid of both of them because they didn't allow right and wrong to get in the way of keeping the crazies in check. Now they have nothing to fear becaue we are too politicly correct. I have studied history for years, and none but ruthless despots can keep those people in line. let's face it they have been killing in the name of allah for hundreds of years. Violence and fear are all they understand. Obama doesn't have a clue, his approach is just as stupid as Bush.
fubar

Corona, CA

#8 Jun 19, 2014
Texan wrote:
Reagan was praised for the breakup of the Soviet Union, Bush was praised for the overthrow of Saddam Hussien. Two of the worst things that have ever happened. Whether you approve of the way they did it, or not they did keep the crazies in check. Since they have been gone it's been one extremist war after another. The extremist were afraid of both of them because they didn't allow right and wrong to get in the way of keeping the crazies in check. Now they have nothing to fear becaue we are too politicly correct. I have studied history for years, and none but ruthless despots can keep those people in line. let's face it they have been killing in the name of allah for hundreds of years. Violence and fear are all they understand. Obama doesn't have a clue, his approach is just as stupid as Bush.
Obama has been murdering the crazies at a far greater rate than either Bush or Reagan. You are right that Obama's plans are going to backfire also. Using drones to kill people that aren't on a battlefield is cowardly.
Texan

Wichita, KS

#9 Jun 20, 2014
You miss the point. Fear and violence are the only things those people understand. Saddam Hussien was murderous despot, but he was a stabilizing influence not only in Iraq but in that entire area. Iran feared him, his own people feared him, and thus they were less of a threat to the rest of us. Bush got him out of power, and now it is one suicide bombing and terrorist attack after another. You simply can not apply our logic to those people: It just doesn't work. General Black Jack Pershing knew how to deal with them, and after one brutal demonstration he had no further problems with Islamic terrorist. CHECK HIM OUT!
fubar

Corona, CA

#10 Jun 20, 2014
Texan wrote:
You miss the point. Fear and violence are the only things those people understand. Saddam Hussien was murderous despot, but he was a stabilizing influence not only in Iraq but in that entire area. Iran feared him, his own people feared him, and thus they were less of a threat to the rest of us. Bush got him out of power, and now it is one suicide bombing and terrorist attack after another. You simply can not apply our logic to those people: It just doesn't work. General Black Jack Pershing knew how to deal with them, and after one brutal demonstration he had no further problems with Islamic terrorist. CHECK HIM OUT!
I was against them taking Saddam out before the war ever started. The lies they were telling to justify their war were too obvious for anyone paying attention. I couldn't find any verification on Pershing using pigs(I looked on scopes). I do know that B.J. Perishing barely escaped court martial at the end of WW1 for his careless disregard for his soldiers. They knew over a week in advance that the war would end on Nov.11,1918 ,and he allowed his men to be sent into combat right up until minutes before the armistice was to take affect. He and many of his officers threw American lives away for their own personal glory and some even out of spite. Earlier in the war he forced American soldiers to use French made machine guns that had open magazines among their many flaws(open magazines in muddy trench warfare). He wasn't court marriages because of purely political reasons and instead was treated as a hero.
Punchbowl Turd

La Porte, TX

#11 Jun 21, 2014
GOTP wrote:
Truth be known, that is why you will never hear this on Fox News, but the whole Iraqi war was a revenge killing by George W Bush on a hit put out by Sadam. It was also pay back to Haliburton by Cheney for their years of over paying him as their CEO. He wanted Iraqi's oil business plus the hundreds of millions KBR made supporting the troops. That is the Republican way...line their pockets with the dead skins of our young troops.
I think you've nailed it. Thank you!
Punchbowl Turd

La Porte, TX

#12 Jun 21, 2014
Elaine wrote:
He pulled out all of our troops to make a political point. He's negotiated with terrorists. Now the country is falling to the Islamist Iran. So long, democracy. Hello burkhas, honor killings and child rapes.
Now the conflict threatens to widen, with reports that Iranian special forces were in Iraq to bolster the government of Maliki, a fellow Shiite. It's a development that could result in once unthinkable military cooperation between Washington and Tehran.
Revise your post title to, "Obama saves American Lives."
GOTP

La Porte, TX

#13 Jun 22, 2014
It is fairly obvious that whatever we do will be ineffective in the Iraqi - middle east crisis.

Obama will throw in some troops to protect our embassy, and intelligence personnel to track the progress of ISIA. These folk are not currently large in number but are very brutal. Once they exceed their supply lines, the Sunni's with Iran's backing, will push them back.

Eventually the Kurds will have their own state, with US backing because of our oil interests and the need to have a "cause" in the region that won't tick off the Iranians or the Saudi's. The rest of Iraq will partition, and there will be "relative peace" for the upcoming future.

In the meantime, we will have Republicans wanting to repeat history and piss off everyone and once again be "Ugly Americans." It is what they do, lead by their God - the Presidential loser Sen John McCain.

Obama is on the right track in an almost impossible situation "created" out of a fantasy to control the worlds oil fields and give them to our major oil companies that would use KBR and Halliburton, his source of his millions. Republicans are not only stupid, they have stupid followers, and at the end of the day, are baby killers. Our babies...and theirs.
fubar

Corona, CA

#14 Jun 22, 2014
GOTP wrote:
It is fairly obvious that whatever we do will be ineffective in the Iraqi - middle east crisis.
Obama will throw in some troops to protect our embassy, and intelligence personnel to track the progress of ISIA. These folk are not currently large in number but are very brutal. Once they exceed their supply lines, the Sunni's with Iran's backing, will push them back.
Eventually the Kurds will have their own state, with US backing because of our oil interests and the need to have a "cause" in the region that won't tick off the Iranians or the Saudi's. The rest of Iraq will partition, and there will be "relative peace" for the upcoming future.
In the meantime, we will have Republicans wanting to repeat history and piss off everyone and once again be "Ugly Americans." It is what they do, lead by their God - the Presidential loser Sen John McCain.
Obama is on the right track in an almost impossible situation "created" out of a fantasy to control the worlds oil fields and give them to our major oil companies that would use KBR and Halliburton, his source of his millions. Republicans are not only stupid, they have stupid followers, and at the end of the day, are baby killers. Our babies...and theirs.
Neither Iran or Turkey want an independent Kurdistan, as they both have large numbers of Kurds within their borders. I like your take on John"bomb,bomb,bomb,....b omb bomb Iran"McCain . Funny thing is Iran's interests and our interests are somewhat the same at this point(they are the "enemies of our enemies" making them our allies in Iraq). Save your hate folks
Texan

Wichita, KS

#15 Jun 23, 2014
The Shah of Iran was our ally, Iraq was our enemy, The Shah was overthrown, Iran was our enemy, Iraq became our ally, Saddam invades Kuwait and becomes our enemy, now both Iran and Iraq are our enemy. We oust Saddam, Iraq is our friend again, and Iran is still our enemy. The ISIS starts a take over of Iraq, Iran wants to step in and be our ally again. This is really a screwed up mess with more than enough blame to go around for both the Democrats and Republicans, and it is readilly apparent that neither party hasn't got a clue, and hasn't had since we first got involved in this mess. Does anyone remember how all of this got started to begin with?
GOTP

La Porte, TX

#16 Jun 23, 2014
Yes - Oil and the seven sisters
fubar

Corona, CA

#17 Jun 24, 2014
Texan wrote:
The Shah of Iran was our ally, Iraq was our enemy, The Shah was overthrown, Iran was our enemy, Iraq became our ally, Saddam invades Kuwait and becomes our enemy, now both Iran and Iraq are our enemy. We oust Saddam, Iraq is our friend again, and Iran is still our enemy. The ISIS starts a take over of Iraq, Iran wants to step in and be our ally again. This is really a screwed up mess with more than enough blame to go around for both the Democrats and Republicans, and it is readilly apparent that neither party hasn't got a clue, and hasn't had since we first got involved in this mess. Does anyone remember how all of this got started to begin with?
Saddam was always our ally except for a couple of years around us saving the Kuwaitis. After we ousted his troops from Kuwait his interests and our interests have been almost entirely maligned. When we invaded Iraq we took out our best ally in the region.

From the time Rumsfeld fired Gen. Shinseki we were completely doomed. Our strategy of pitting the Shiites against the Sunnis laid the ground work for what is happening now. Iran is against al-Qaeda and our interests are now aligned with theirs. We don't trust Iran and they CAN'T trust us. They know we might invade them using phony information the same way we invaded Iraq with completely fabricated evidence. Thank you George W. and the cowardly democrats who were afraid of being called unpatriotic if they didn't follow the warmongers.

So now the Iraqis are giving into what should have been the status of forces agreement they refused to sign before. Their nonagreement forced Obama to pull all troops out of Iraq ,except for embassy employees.
fubar

Corona, CA

#18 Jun 24, 2014
GOTP wrote:
It is fairly obvious that whatever we do will be ineffective in the Iraqi - middle east crisis.
Obama will throw in some troops to protect our embassy, and intelligence personnel to track the progress of ISIA. These folk are not currently large in number but are very brutal. Once they exceed their supply lines, the Sunni's with Iran's backing, will push them back.
Eventually the Kurds will have their own state, with US backing because of our oil interests and the need to have a "cause" in the region that won't tick off the Iranians or the Saudi's. The rest of Iraq will partition, and there will be "relative peace" for the upcoming future.
In the meantime, we will have Republicans wanting to repeat history and piss off everyone and once again be "Ugly Americans." It is what they do, lead by their God - the Presidential loser Sen John McCain.
Obama is on the right track in an almost impossible situation "created" out of a fantasy to control the worlds oil fields and give them to our major oil companies that would use KBR and Halliburton, his source of his millions. Republicans are not only stupid, they have stupid followers, and at the end of the day, are baby killers. Our babies...and theirs.
ISISIS are Sunni radicals, that is why Iran wants to stop them too.
fubar

Corona, CA

#19 Jun 24, 2014
Texan wrote:
The Shah of Iran was our ally, Iraq was our enemy, The Shah was overthrown, Iran was our enemy, Iraq became our ally, Saddam invades Kuwait and becomes our enemy, now both Iran and Iraq are our enemy. We oust Saddam, Iraq is our friend again, and Iran is still our enemy. The ISIS starts a take over of Iraq, Iran wants to step in and be our ally again. This is really a screwed up mess with more than enough blame to go around for both the Democrats and Republicans, and it is readilly apparent that neither party hasn't got a clue, and hasn't had since we first got involved in this mess. Does anyone remember how all of this got started to begin with?
The democratically elected government of Iran nationalized their oil industry. You could go back to the end of world war one and the breakup of the Ottoman empire when countries borders were drawn,seemingly, randomly by the allies(England). You could even conceivably go back to when Sarah made Abraham throw Hagar and Ishmael out into the desert.

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