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Justice system professionals discuss future of youth services

There are 10 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Sep 25, 2010, titled Justice system professionals discuss future of youth services. In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

For local professionals working with foster youth and other children in the justice system, the key to success in recent years is collaboration.

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Yep

United States

#1 Sep 25, 2010
"For local professionals working with foster youth and other children in the justice system, the key to success in recent years is collaboration."

I don't believe "collaboration" is the proper terminology.

How about "colluson".

The court syste destroys families rather than heals them.

It's an adversarial process where truth is the first casualty.

The benefactors of this dysfunctional system is a dysfunctional damage control industry.

I find it laughable when the source of the problem, the legal system in Humboldt County (I have to keep reminding myself it's a legal system and not a justice system), holds an all-day seminar masquarading as a means to solving problems they are responsible for creating in the first place.
KnowItAll

United States

#2 Sep 25, 2010
It's pitiful, isn't it? Same with probation. We spend over 23 MILLION per year, in this podunk county alone, chasing adults around as though they were children. Only 10% commit new crimes, yet over 70% go back to prison or jail. Figure that one out. Talk about self-perpetuating bureaucracy. We could balance the entire state budget by reigning that monster in a bit.

“I don't know who I am”

Since: Dec 07

Fortuna

#4 Sep 25, 2010
Yep and KnowItAll:

I guess I don't see where you are coming from.

Are you saying that allowing abusive home situations to continue is better for the children than intervening? Or are you advocating something else?

I mean, we are talking about a system that at least is supposed to be protecting children, right?

What are we supposed to do? Is Nothing an option?

I’m not trying to get on your case, I just don’t understand your viewpoint and I would like to try.
Yep

El Sobrante, CA

#5 Sep 25, 2010
The True Anonymous wrote:
Yep and KnowItAll:
I guess I don't see where you are coming from.
Are you saying that allowing abusive home situations to continue is better for the children than intervening? Or are you advocating something else?
I mean, we are talking about a system that at least is supposed to be protecting children, right?
What are we supposed to do? Is Nothing an option?
I’m not trying to get on your case, I just don’t understand your viewpoint and I would like to try.
Well "The True Anonymous", you have no idea how the government justice (sic) system takes a lie and runs with it.

I'll give you a blatant example. Remember the late accupuncturist?

The mother of his 7 month old daughter claimed he, the father, sexually molested his daughter because there was sperm on the 7 month old girls leg?

A DNA analysis determied the sperm was not the father's? But the father was immediately incarcerated and kept behind bars until he was exonerated.

There were NO CHARGES filed agains the mother.

And then the nut case grandmother bought a red wig and a hand gun and laid in wait for the man to pull into his parking place at his office in Eureka.

And then the nut case grandmother chased the poor man into the next door restaurant kitchen where she shot him point blank four times in the head.

Many times often the claims of abuse are one side of the child's family abusing the process of protective orders to gain 100% custody of the minor child.
Frank Rizzo

Santa Rosa, CA

#6 Sep 25, 2010
Since it was a gathering of "professionals" that would explain why the incumbent DA wasn't there.

“I don't know who I am”

Since: Dec 07

Fortuna

#7 Sep 25, 2010
Yep:

What's with the hostility? I didn't criticize you; I said I wanted to understand your viewpoint.

My guess (judging from your reaction) is that you see yourself as a victim of that "legal system."

Miscarriages of justice happen in all areas of the legal system. They are to be avoided when possible, but when dealing with human beings, there are bound to be problems.

False accusations happen all the time in all areas of our legal system and unfortunately the false accusers sometimes don’t get the justice they deserve.

Because errors are made are we to do away with all attempts at administrating justice?

You did not address the second part of my question to you: What do we do instead? What's a better idea?

Is doing nothing your idea to solve the problem? Do we then go back to doing what was done more than a generation ago... which was just saying "It's a family matter" and allow the child abuse go at that?

As for ambushing grannies... the court system is here to try to prevent just that. The ideal (not necessarily always the reality) is that we allow the justice system to work so we as individuals do not have the need to seek vengeance on our own.

Otherwise we have bloody chaos.
KnowItAll

United States

#8 Sep 25, 2010
The True Anonymous wrote:
Yep and KnowItAll:
I guess I don't see where you are coming from.
Are you saying that allowing abusive home situations to continue is better for the children than intervening? Or are you advocating something else?
I mean, we are talking about a system that at least is supposed to be protecting children, right?
What are we supposed to do? Is Nothing an option?
I’m not trying to get on your case, I just don’t understand your viewpoint and I would like to try.
Here's the deal. The system is almost 100% self-serving. The "services" received from probation is a reference to their "supervision" of you. The method used to "supervise" you amounts to harrassment and is designed to please and accommodate probation and not their charges. Work is out of the question, with all the BS a probationer must adhere to in order to please his/her taskmaster. As I said, we spend 23 Million/year here in Humboldt. It seems like a waste of money to me. If someone commits a new crime, then punish them, by all means. But to continue to send people back to prison or jail for technical violations of parole/probation is a total waste of time and money, not to mention the lives that are being institutionalized. There's a ton more, but if you aren't familiar with the "system" or haven't been abused by it, you wouldn't have a clue. Thanks for at least being inquisitive. So many are brainwashed.
Deja Vu

Eureka, CA

#9 Sep 26, 2010
The reasons that millions of youths are forced from their homes are countless. For most of America's youths, they hunger for, and require, EMANCIPATION!

The problem is in a society that no longer invests in its human resources.

It wasn't that long ago that Humboldt County received $13 million a year in funding for the California Employment Training Association. Gone are the Jobs, training, and placement services youths require; the fundamental programs for affordable housing and health care, so that they might attend the free "public universities" that taxpayers guaranteed access to for everyone...(U.S. Education Act of 1965).

Had the media put this issue center-stage, instead of post-event coverage, this event might have filled the room.

It wouldn't hurt if the "professionals" made the event more relevant to the reality downtown. We're hemorrhaging public treasure to enrich the few for the infrastructure and social services required to subsidize more poverty-wage malls and the sprawling subdivisions these new employees cannot afford to buy.

We fail to build our communities for the common good at great risk to all, especially the youth.
someone

Arcata, CA

#10 Sep 27, 2010
KnowItAll wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the deal. The system is almost 100% self-serving. The "services" received from probation is a reference to their "supervision" of you. The method used to "supervise" you amounts to harrassment and is designed to please and accommodate probation and not their charges. Work is out of the question, with all the BS a probationer must adhere to in order to please his/her taskmaster. As I said, we spend 23 Million/year here in Humboldt. It seems like a waste of money to me. If someone commits a new crime, then punish them, by all means. But to continue to send people back to prison or jail for technical violations of parole/probation is a total waste of time and money, not to mention the lives that are being institutionalized. There's a ton more, but if you aren't familiar with the "system" or haven't been abused by it, you wouldn't have a clue. Thanks for at least being inquisitive. So many are brainwashed.
So what you're saying is, you don't like being on probation?
I amafreeman

Eureka, CA

#11 Sep 30, 2010
someone wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you're saying is, you don't like being on probation?
Good question.

Aside from that, I gleaned from the statistics presented that the 70% rcidivism rate means the "legal system" and society in general are not dealing appropriately with these recidivists in the FIRST PLACE! Or, maybe they are too far gone, in one form or another, that they no longer serve a purpose to society, only to the culture of which they are a part.

Indeed, the recidivists, and the "new-comers" only further demean and destroy our way of life. It is time to actually solve these reoccuring problems.

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