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There are 57 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Sep 24, 2010, titled They're Mad As Hell: Doctors take California road trip in support o.... In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

In their pursuit of nationalized health care for everyone, Drs. Paul Hochfeld and Mike Huntington are under no illusions.

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Tee42

Winter Garden, FL

#43 Sep 27, 2010
Domino 21 wrote:
<quoted text>where they often have to send pregnant women to other provinces or to the US to give birth. And when they need surgery or an MRI they come to the states. Your argument is untenable.
Untenable – perhaps you should rethink your own argument.

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin "The Death Panel Queen" who has gone to great lengths to hype the supposed dangers of a big government takeover of American health care admitted that she used to get her treatment in Canada's single-payer system.

"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," is a Palin quote.

Sarah Palin could see Canada's healthcare from her window and took advantage of it.

Sarah Palin's family sought health care in Canada
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nor...
Tee42

Winter Garden, FL

#44 Sep 27, 2010
Wow wrote:
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Makes ya want to break out in a chorus of "There'll Aways Be An England." Thanks for your insight about what it is like to be an American. BTW How are the Royals doing lately?
Would that be the Kansas City Royal baseball team? Most likely not however my old team is not doing all that well sad to say – Speaking about being well on Oct 1, 2010:

Children and dependents can continue health care coverage under a parent's plan until age 26. Dependents don't have to be students, they don't have to live at home, and they even can be married and still be eligible for health care under a parent's plan if it offers dependent coverage.

Insurance companies can't exclude children from health care coverage because of pre-existing health conditions.

Insurance companies can't drop health care coverage because they discover some "technical mistake" on a person's application. This was just one illegal way insurance companies used to deny claims and stop paying the bills of long time customers who needed cancer treatment or other costly care.

Dollar limits on lifetime coverage will be eliminated including coverage of essential health benefits like emergency care, maternity and newborn care, hospitalization and more. In addition, annual dollar limits on coverage will be phased out over the next few years and must be completely eliminated by Jan. 1, 2014.

New preventive services and screenings are to be covered without deductibles or copayments in order to encourage utilization of those important wellness services. For retirees, Medicare will cover preventive care and screenings with no deductibles and no co-pays, beginning Jan. 1, 2011.

Sadly the UHC bill is weak because just to get it to a vote and past the 140 Republican filibusters of 2009 so much had to be deleted including the single payer option – The Mad as Hell Doctors mentioned in this article seem to agree as does my wife who is a doctor in the medical field.

All the above items were deemed unworthy of consideration in healthcare reform for American citizens by the Republican Party of no ideas that enjoys along with Democrats the best SOCIALIZED medical plan available in the USA paid for by taxpayers.

I just spent 5 days in the hospital – here is the totally screwed up billing process:

$38,622 billed by the hospital and what a person must pay if he has no insurance
$5,084 was the actual bill sent to Medicare and AETNA
$3,978 paid by Medicare
$1,106 paid by my insurance

My cost was ZERO however if I was under the age of 62 just lost my job along with my healthcare plan and unable to afford the high cost of COBRA because I no longer have an income, must now make difficult choices between food and utilities, have a preexisting condition like OLD AGE and absolutely no insurance company will insure me or my family at any price. I would have needed to go to the emergency room where the cost would have been even higher. The uninsured among us not old enough for Medicare would be responsible for the entire $40,000+ bill and perhaps now must decide between a home foreclosure and bankruptcy. More than half of all bankruptcies in America are caused by medical bills.

That scenario plays out every day yet the dear God of DON'T feed the poor and help the sick party of obstructionism is hell bent to to see it continue with a band aid approach to cure a sucking chest wound that is bleeding almost 20% of this nations GDP.

I find it sadly amusing how fast Republicans flip flop on the healthcare issue once they get a pink slip.
Tee42

Winter Garden, FL

#45 Sep 27, 2010
Relatives wrote:
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Have Relatives in Canada. Routine Dr visits for things like colds etc. care is great. If it is serious, complicated Cancer treatment is a good example, it is horrendous. You will languish as you wait and wait and wait.
Unfortunately chemo and most of these wonder drugs available in the USA do not work particularly well or take into account quality of care. They just extend life at a very high cost and add a few extra days of misery to the infirmed.

Drug companies in this country are focused on proving their drugs can extend survival or delay cancer progression by only a few months or weeks. This often gains them FDA approval and often billions in sales.

The Sad Truth About $100,000 Cancer Drugs
http://blogs.forbes.com/sciencebiz/2010/07/28...
GreenTeaBagParty

United States

#46 Sep 27, 2010
poppyseed wrote:
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That will work until YOU or someone you love are sick and can't afford to get help.
Still survival of the fittest when a sick person dies in this country because of a pre-existing condition. That's why we are maintaining the insurance companies profit margins and not providing medical care for everyone with single prayer insurance. Doesn't have to make sense, but the American public is mad as hell and won't vote for it if it doesn't benefit me directly. If I provide for others that's socialism and socialism is bad.

“Pardon my nosiness ”

Since: May 07

London, England

#47 Sep 27, 2010
GreenTeaBagParty wrote:
<quoted text>Still survival of the fittest when a sick person dies in this country because of a pre-existing condition. That's why we are maintaining the insurance companies profit margins and not providing medical care for everyone with single prayer insurance. Doesn't have to make sense, but the American public is mad as hell and won't vote for it if it doesn't benefit me directly. If I provide for others that's socialism and socialism is bad.
Yep! The insurance companies rely on refusing medical care for their profits, their first priority and concern is to their shareholders and quarterly reports.
The GOP wants to deny you affordable health care by repealing Obama's watered down and minimal Health reform.

It's not about "can the country afford it" but can the Republicans afford to lose their medically acquired PORK money.
They already have 100% Socialised Health Care for themselves at the American people's expense - talk about double standards!
GreenTeaBagParty

United States

#48 Sep 28, 2010
reza june wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep! The insurance companies rely on refusing medical care for their profits, their first priority and concern is to their shareholders and quarterly reports.
The GOP wants to deny you affordable health care by repealing Obama's watered down and minimal Health reform.
It's not about "can the country afford it" but can the Republicans afford to lose their medically acquired PORK money.
They already have 100% Socialised Health Care for themselves at the American people's expense - talk about double standards!
It is the Republican Party platform, no health care for poor people. Support insurance profits at any cost to social welfare. Sad but the Republicans in power take their socialist health care plans but won't buck the rich and powerful insurance companies who give them lots of money to vote for the rich and powerful. Republicans are bought and sold on Wall Street. Republicans don't support Main Street.

Talk about stupid voters. Those that vote for Republicans! The Tea Party will change that!
MAD2

United States

#49 Sep 28, 2010
GreenTeaBagParty wrote:
<quoted text>It is the Republican Party platform, no health care for poor people. Support insurance profits at any cost to social welfare. Sad but the Republicans in power take their socialist health care plans but won't buck the rich and powerful insurance companies who give them lots of money to vote for the rich and powerful. Republicans are bought and sold on Wall Street. Republicans don't support Main Street.
Talk about stupid voters. Those that vote for Republicans! The Tea Party will change that!
But what about these bizarre far-right t-partiest loonies--I don't think most of them follow your reasoning above! I'm not voting for someone who wants to get rid of min. wage, soc. sec., ganging up on minorities, etc., in the hope they might see a single payer system as tenable, which to date I have not heard happen!
Tee42

Winter Garden, FL

#50 Sep 28, 2010
GreenTeaBagParty wrote:
<quoted text>It is the Republican Party platform, no health care for poor people. Support insurance profits at any cost to social welfare. Sad but the Republicans in power take their socialist health care plans but won't buck the rich and powerful insurance companies who give them lots of money to vote for the rich and powerful. Republicans are bought and sold on Wall Street. Republicans don't support Main Street.
Talk about stupid voters. Those that vote for Republicans! The Tea Party will change that!
Perhaps a little extra caffeine would be helpful to awaken the comatose citizens among us that arE programmed to follow the rants of loud blathering buffoons far more interested in ratings than truth.

“The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them.”

The COFFEE PARTY however is more my cup of TEA.
http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/

The religious righteous Republican Party of holier than thou does have a health care platform to care for the sick among us:

Last XMAS many including a few congressmen held a “PRAYERCAST” in an effort to somehow block the health-care legislation. They even asked Benny Hinn to pull off one of his miracles which apparently did not work for sh!t.:)

How exactly does one pray against health care for the sick among us?

Dear Lord, please do not send the downtrodden to the doctor because my taxes will go up and I'll have to wait in line for my breast implant.

Dear God, as a taxpayer please don't give that other family health coverage so I can keep my Medicare Advantage Program Plan.

Dear God, as a congressman and beneficiary of a great government paid medical plan please deliver us from socialism -- AMEN.

Praying against access to medical care right before XMAS while claiming it has God's political support should go against all biblical teachings. It conjured up images of the Scrooge of Pottersville telling Jesus to shut up because there is no room at the inn.

How about this for a modern version of the Christmas story:

Joseph is laid off from his carpenter's job because of the housing crises. Having lost his income and health insurance, he and Mary who is also 9 months pregnant and in labor travel from hospital to hospital only to be turned away because they lack the necessary coverage. There's no room in the maternity ward is what they are told.

They finally wind up in a crowded small emergency room many miles from home in the worst area possible, waiting for hours and hours with the coughing, flu infected homeless drug addicts in the modern version of the stable of yore while those with medical insurance are rushed in to cure minor afflictions. Finally after 27 long hours Mary is admitted but little baby Jesus DIES due to an infection Mary caught in the maternity ward of emergency room eternity in today's version of modern medical care.

The bible is themed on keeping the faith, working hard, staying humble, avoiding materialism and treating the poorest and sickest among us as we would treat Jesus himself. Republicans over the last 2000 years must have lost something in the translation. They obsess about the fate of the unborn and the near-dead with fictitious death panels but seem totally unconcerned about Americans in between.

It is easy to see the lack of compassion shown to their fellow man by the Religious Right Party of Fright of ungodly GREED. Sadly they have chosen to ignore this important concern of unaffordable basic health care now facing over 47 million Americans.

JESUS MUST BE ROILING IN HIS GRAVE.
GreenTeaBagParty

United States

#51 Sep 28, 2010
Jesus would be upset for sure, but he is dead. The non-repentant Republican Christianist Rightwingers pray to Money as their God in Wall Street as their church of choice. And survival of the richest is their mantra. Republican Christians really are not Christ Like in any way. Just greedy humans who don't care about anything but personal gain at any cost. But sheepish herd animals,voters, still vote for them. Go figure? You make a good argument for the Coffee Party too.

“Pardon my nosiness ”

Since: May 07

London, England

#52 Sep 28, 2010
Now that Halloween is almost upon us I think that the logical thing is to put the 'fright' back into politics, and by this I mean scare the shit out of your local Representatives in Congress, by a no confidence vote by abstaining from any vote whatsoever.

Umm! Coffee Party, I can smell the aroma already!

“Pardon my nosiness ”

Since: May 07

London, England

#53 Sep 28, 2010
Tee42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps a little extra caffeine would be helpful to awaken the comatose citizens among us that arE programmed to follow the rants of loud blathering buffoons far more interested in ratings than truth.
“The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them.”
The COFFEE PARTY however is more my cup of TEA.
http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/
The religious righteous Republican Party of holier than thou does have a health care platform to care for the sick among us:
Last XMAS many including a few congressmen held a “PRAYERCAST” in an effort to somehow block the health-care legislation. They even asked Benny Hinn to pull off one of his miracles which apparently did not work for sh!t.:)
How exactly does one pray against health care for the sick among us?
Dear Lord, please do not send the downtrodden to the doctor because my taxes will go up and I'll have to wait in line for my breast implant.
Dear God, as a taxpayer please don't give that other family health coverage so I can keep my Medicare Advantage Program Plan.
Dear God, as a congressman and beneficiary of a great government paid medical plan please deliver us from socialism -- AMEN.
Praying against access to medical care right before XMAS while claiming it has God's political support should go against all biblical teachings. It conjured up images of the Scrooge of Pottersville telling Jesus to shut up because there is no room at the inn.
How about this for a modern version of the Christmas story:
Joseph is laid off from his carpenter's job because of the housing crises. Having lost his income and health insurance, he and Mary who is also 9 months pregnant and in labor travel from hospital to hospital only to be turned away because they lack the necessary coverage. There's no room in the maternity ward is what they are told.
They finally wind up in a crowded small emergency room many miles from home in the worst area possible, waiting for hours and hours with the coughing, flu infected homeless drug addicts in the modern version of the stable of yore while those with medical insurance are rushed in to cure minor afflictions. Finally after 27 long hours Mary is admitted but little baby Jesus DIES due to an infection Mary caught in the maternity ward of emergency room eternity in today's version of modern medical care.
The bible is themed on keeping the faith, working hard, staying humble, avoiding materialism and treating the poorest and sickest among us as we would treat Jesus himself. Republicans over the last 2000 years must have lost something in the translation. They obsess about the fate of the unborn and the near-dead with fictitious death panels but seem totally unconcerned about Americans in between.
It is easy to see the lack of compassion shown to their fellow man by the Religious Right Party of Fright of ungodly GREED. Sadly they have chosen to ignore this important concern of unaffordable basic health care now facing over 47 million Americans.
JESUS MUST BE ROILING IN HIS GRAVE.
JESUS MUST BE ROILING IN HIS GRAVE.
Sorry to disappoint, but that's impossible since that white guy with the wings rolled the bolder aside, and the reason they never found Jesus body - he's still stuck on the underside somewhere in the West Bank.
Tee42

Winter Garden, FL

#54 Sep 29, 2010
reza june wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Sorry to disappoint, but that's impossible since that white guy with the wings rolled the bolder aside, and the reason they never found Jesus body - he's still stuck on the underside somewhere in the West Bank.
I don't believe that for one minute

What I think happened was the Last Supper was actually a bachelor party with Mary Magdalene as the paid stripper. Jesus like his 12 disciples were all drunk on their ass and this resurrection thingy was fabricated so Jesus could get away from an obsessive girlfriend and have time enough to run off with the naked hot babe.

Today the TEA PARTY should perhaps change their brew and hopefully their tone because this is NATIONAL COFFEE DAY.
Tee42

Winter Garden, FL

#55 Sep 29, 2010
reza june wrote:
Now that Halloween is almost upon us I think that the logical thing is to put the 'fright' back into politics, and by this I mean scare the shit out of your local Representatives in Congress, by a no confidence vote by abstaining from any vote whatsoever.
Umm! Coffee Party, I can smell the aroma already!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Abstain the vote through absence is what politicians often do on an issue that is controversial that may affect their reelection. Unfortunately complacency may be exactly what they want and need to be reelected.

The TEA PARTY in my view has served a purpose however if they would have been less radical in their approach and presented a more informed opinion on issues they would have been taken more seriously by the many more American citizens.

Now they are perceived by many independents as just another fringe group like the far right and left.

EWE may come out now.
Patty

Arcata, CA

#56 Sep 30, 2010
Ryan wrote:
I'm glad these doctors are doing this. The people of this country needs to wake up to deal with this real and very serious problem. The insurance industry has been very effective in spreading false information about healthcare reform. Many honest US citizens have been fooled into believe that universal healthcare is some form of socialistic evil. It's far from it. I see no countries with universal healthcare talk about repealing it and replace it with employer provided private insurance.
VERY GOOD POINT, RYAN
Patty

Arcata, CA

#57 Sep 30, 2010
Tee42 wrote:
<quoted text>
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Abstain the vote through absence is what politicians often do on an issue that is controversial that may affect their reelection. Unfortunately complacency may be exactly what they want and need to be reelected.
The TEA PARTY in my view has served a purpose however if they would have been less radical in their approach and presented a more informed opinion on issues they would have been taken more seriously by the many more American citizens.
Now they are perceived by many independents as just another fringe group like the far right and left.
EWE may come out now.
I've always thought we should conduct the grand Experiment. Everyone, together, NOT Vote. Then they can't flip the results on the diabold voting machines to claim "they" won! what would they do then? don't want any of them. all crooks. Let's go even further. ALL the Soldiers, together, all at once, LAY DOWN your guns. "They" going to court marshall ALL of them?? But people just don't have the back bone. they're spineless. too afraid. Of What, I'd like to know? won't get home in time to watch ESPN?
GreenTeaBagParty

United States

#58 Sep 30, 2010
Tee42 wrote:
<quoted text>
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Abstain the vote through absence is what politicians often do on an issue that is controversial that may affect their reelection. Unfortunately complacency may be exactly what they want and need to be reelected.
The TEA PARTY in my view has served a purpose however if they would have been less radical in their approach and presented a more informed opinion on issues they would have been taken more seriously by the many more American citizens.
Now they are perceived by many independents as just another fringe group like the far right and left.
EWE may come out now.
The tea party is fringe right wing disgruntled Republican. A party without a plan, but mad as hell none the less.

“Pardon my nosiness ”

Since: May 07

London, England

#59 Sep 30, 2010
GreenTeaBagParty wrote:
<quoted text>The tea party is fringe right wing disgruntled Republican. A party without a plan, but mad as hell none the less.
I understand that they were as mad as hell straight from their mother's womb, and have never had therapy to correct the feeling.

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