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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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#70401 Mar 29, 2014
HINDSIGHT

The yoga experience of the past 2 days has been extremely interesting in revealing to me many aspects of consciousness especially its nonlocal mode. And, with my body force field opening up to external nature it was a rare experience to experience the nonlocal state and to go without eating food for 2 days as my body was amply replenished by the inflow of energy from external nature. Another fascinating experience was the superhuman strength that I experienced by opening up to the energy field of external nature. Now, that the descent of the force of the higher consciousness is ending with the force retreating into the planes above the head a slight fever has caught the body....On the whole, it has been a great yogic experience. Later.

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#70402 Mar 29, 2014
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"Leading Sefardi Haredi Rabbi Tells University Students It Is KOSHER To Cheat And Plagiarize
Rabbi Avraham Yosef with name hands 2Chief Rabbi of Holon Rabbi Avraham Yosef – who sits on the Israel Chief Rabbinate’s council and who is a son of the late Sefardi haredi leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef – gave permission for university students to cheat and plagiarize.
Chief Rabbi of Holon Rabbi Avraham Yosef – who sits on the Israel Chief Rabbinate’s council and who is a son of the late Sefardi haredi leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef – gave permission for university students to cheat and plagiarize, the Jerusalem Post reported.
In an online halakha (Jewish law) ask the rabbi forum on the Moreshet Orthodox web portal, a woman posed the following question.
“My friend needs to submit university work, she took the work from someone else and asked me to change the wording so that the work will not look like the same. Is it permissible for me to help my friend to re-word the work?,” a woman asked.
Yosef said it is permissible to plagiarize and cheat....."
As you all know it is a massive surprise to me that a rabbi would teach that "It Is KOSHER To CHEAT And Plagiarize". Having said that, I have had personal experiences with their disciples on this Forum and it is clear to me that the disciples are a reflection of their masters.
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messi...
Funny things about us Jews. We question, and encourage dissent and introspection. And we rarely follow our spiritual leaders blindly.

Does your religion do the same?

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A group of students belonging to the national-religious Ne’emanei Torah Va’avodah organization wrote a strong letter of criticism to Yosef, condemning his university ruling.

“This is something [copying work] which is morally corrupt, and we don’t know how it is possible to find any justification for it,” they wrote.

“Apart from the fact that such actions are a serious breach of university regulations, we as students who work hard every day doing course work and exams are saddened to see the legitimization of cheating and unilateral abrogation of student assignments.”

Tzohar executive vice president Nachman Rosenberg also harshly criticized the rabbi for his halachic ruling.

“It is a sad wonder how, between police investigations, trash talking and immorality, Rabbi Avraham Yosef finds both the time and audacity to personally persecute Rabbi Stav,” Rosenberg said.“I do not doubt his expertise in the Jewish laws pertaining to Passover cleaning, but I think he can use a serious polishing up on the laws of slander and the desecration of God’s name.”

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#70403 Mar 29, 2014
Judaism is best described as - barbarism !

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#70404 Mar 29, 2014
RADIN & SAMADHI

Ex-Jew, Dean Radin, perhaps the foremost parapsychology researcher in the world and a practicing Vedantist, recently said that he experienced for a few seconds during deep meditation the state of samadhi (stasis, complete absorption of the surface consciousness into the deeper levels of consciousness). Radin is hooked on the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali that he often quotes. The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali mainly deal with the paranormal powers that emerge at specific states of consciousness during trace states.

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#70405 Mar 29, 2014
Recently, I saw an old pic of STEVE JOBS in the Times of India in which he was shown lined up for "prasad" ("blessed food") at the ISKCON (International Society of Krishna Consciousness) in Mumbai. JOBS later supposedly turned to Buddhism.

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#70406 Mar 29, 2014
In another old vid, I saw Rupert Sheldrake, the famed Biochemist/mind-body researcher from Cambridge, sitting and listening to a talk given by his mentor J Krishnamurti. I think I spotted particle physicist and mind-body writer, Fritjof Capra, too, seated with J Krishnamurti in another old vid.

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#70407 Mar 29, 2014
Rupert Sheldrake and Fritjof Capra no longer identify with orthodox Christianity and are more inclined towards Eastern Mystical traditions.

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#70408 Mar 29, 2014
Ex-Jews, David Bohm and Karl Pribram, drew on the teachings of J Krishnamurti to formulate a holonic model of the human brain. Bohm was a close disciple of Krishnamurti. There's a vid in which Bohm, Sheldrake and a few others are seen listening to J Krishnamurti in an elegant living room.

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#70409 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Ex-Jews, David Bohm and Karl Pribram, drew on the teachings of J Krishnamurti to formulate a holonic model of the human brain. Bohm was a close disciple of Krishnamurti. There's a vid in which Bohm, Sheldrake and a few others are seen listening to J Krishnamurti in an elegant living room.
Bohm - an ex Jew?

Doofus - I guess it never occurred to you that agnosticism is fully compatible with Judaism

F. David Peat (1997). Infinite Potential: The Life And Times Of David Bohm. Basic Books. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-201-32820-2. "If he identified Jewish lore and customs with his father, then this was a way he would distance himself from Samuel. By the time he reached his late teens, he had become firmly agnostic."

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#70410 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Ex-Jews, David Bohm and Karl Pribram, drew on the teachings of J Krishnamurti to formulate a holonic model of the human brain. Bohm was a close disciple of Krishnamurti. There's a vid in which Bohm, Sheldrake and a few others are seen listening to J Krishnamurti in an elegant living room.
Couldnt find a single reference that made a claim that Karl Pribham renounced his Jewish upringing or his religious practices.

In fact there is an entire Google page devoted to keywords "Karl Pribham" and "Jew"

For starters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_A...
List of Jewish American biologists and physicians

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#70411 Mar 30, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Bohm - an ex Jew?
Doofus - I guess it never occurred to you that agnosticism is fully compatible with Judaism
F. David Peat (1997). Infinite Potential: The Life And Times Of David Bohm. Basic Books. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-201-32820-2. "If he identified Jewish lore and customs with his father, then this was a way he would distance himself from Samuel. By the time he reached his late teens, he had become firmly agnostic."
The Straight Dope: Can you be an atheist and still be Jewish?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1503...

Why I am an ((Jewish)) agnostic theist
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/blog/rabbis-w...

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/90...
Modern Jewish Views.
In all essentials, modern Judaism shares the position of Maimonides. It regards all attempts at descriptive connotations of the Godhead as anthropomorphic makeshifts to find words for a thought which in reality is beyond the power of human tongue adequately to convey. God is. In Himself, He is unknowable. In so far as He is in relation to our own self, the life of Israel, the human family, and the world, He is known. Up to a certain point, then, Judaism is agnostic. It parts company with Agnosticism at the point where the certitude of our own immediate consciousness of the reality beyond the limited range of sensational experience is called into doubt. By the light of this consciousness, which is an immediate datum, by the facts of his own identity and persistency as a conscious entity in time and space—yet withal above time and space, and constituted into a moral personality by the additional data of Israel's history and the guidance of the world and humanity—the Jew, in accordance with Judaism's doctrine, draws the warrant for predicating in his faltering human language the existence of that "power not ourselves making for righteousness," paraphrasing attributes which agnostic metaphysics, in its confusion of the implications and the limitations of knowledge, refuses to admit. The Unknowable God, through the medium of human cognition, is apprehended as the God who is, and, as existing, is known by analogy and brought nearer to man by symbolism rooted in human experience and human self-consciousness

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#70412 Mar 30, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Bohm - an ex Jew?

By the time he reached his late teens, he had become firmly agnostic."
LOL.

Bohm, the ex-Jew, condemned Judaism as a faith teaching BS and evil.

In later years, Bohm, under the influence of J Krishnamurti, turned a monist accepting the nondual stand of consciousness constituting the reality.

Bohm and Krishnamurti constructed the holon theory of brain.

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#70413 Mar 30, 2014
Karl Pribram - atheist ex-Jew. Expectedly, Pribram has only contempt for Judaism. In the Krishnamurti dialogues, Pribram stated that he wished to be cremated in Eastern Mystical tradition and not buried according to Jewish rites since he had quit Judaism long ago.

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#70414 Mar 30, 2014
The ex-Jew, David Bohm, was among the closest disciple of J Krishnamurti and with the late Pupul Jaykar they formed quite an elegant team of monists/holonists. Adding intellectual weight to the team were Fritjof Capra and Rupert Sheldrake.

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#70415 Mar 30, 2014
Another big problem with Jewish organizations who make long lists of famous Jews is that they list even those Jews who have renounced Judaism as Jews (LOL!) and besides they naively list a person as Jewish if the person's mother is Jewish and father Christian or whatever. Does it make any sense to list a person as Jewish simply because his mother happens to profess Judaism? No. Ancient Jewish law thinks so. LOL. Lastly, an individual may be 1/20th Jewish in terms of ancestral faith and 19/20th non-Jewish but yet he is listed as Jewish by these brainless Jewish organizations. The science of genetics does not recognize religion as being inherited from either mom or dad or from both parents. Religion and race are superficial mental constructs. LMFAO.

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#70416 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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LOL.
Bohm, the ex-Jew, condemned Judaism as a faith teaching BS and evil.
In later years, Bohm, under the influence of J Krishnamurti, turned a monist accepting the nondual stand of consciousness constituting the reality.
Bohm and Krishnamurti constructed the holon theory of brain.
sources please

not that I care per se whether he considered himself a Jew or not

Its your intellectual laziness thats the issue

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#70417 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Another big problem with Jewish organizations who make long lists of famous Jews is that they list even those Jews who have renounced Judaism as Jews (LOL!).
source please

that list was WIKI by the way, not exactly a jewish source, not that it matters

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#70418 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
The ex-Jew, David Bohm,.
source please

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70419 Mar 30, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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sources please

not that I care per se whether he considered himself a Jew or not

Its your intellectual laziness thats the issue
Old monthly newsletters of the J Krishnamurti Foundation. Available in print form as a book.

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#70420 Mar 30, 2014
According to the ancient religions, God is unnameable, incomprehensible, a power that works within the universe as the universe exists within God. According to renown Physicist David Bohm:

“Bohm believes that life and consciousness are enfolded deep in the generative order and are therefore present in varying degrees of
unfoldment in all matter, including supposedly “inanimate” matter such as electrons or plasmas. He suggests that there is a “protointelligence” in matter, so that new evolutionary developments do not emerge in a random fashion but creatively as relatively integrated wholes from implicate levels of reality. The mystical connotations of Bohm’s ideas are underlined by his remark that the implicate domain “could equally well be called Idealism, Spirit, Consciousness. The separation of the two — matter and spirit — is an abstraction. The ground is always one.”(Quoted in Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe, HarperCollins, New York, 1991, p. 271.)’

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