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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51974 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---"Indeed, the church that I attend has SPECIAL people but the church itself is not special."
Frijoles---Are other churches special?
HughBe---- Your question demonstrates that you are a "special" person. Now pay very close attention to my words which you responded to.
My words, "the church itself is not special". Sit in a corner and contemplate those words.
Hint: There cannot be "OTHER" special churches if basic comprehension skills are applied.
Perfectly reasonable question which in your typical fashion you have dodged, obscured, bolted from, and weaved around.

Someday you will get the rules of proper communication right

Until then, you are sentenced to a lonely existence.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51975 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
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Again, why do you go to church?
What is the name of your religion?
Is it too special to have a name?
Do you tithe? How much $?
HughBe--- Let me thank you for enjoying and being captivated by the things that I write. Your request for REPETITION is one indicator of the truth of my words.

Former---Again, why do you go to church?

HughBe--- Pay close attention, I go because I am NOT "special" as you no doubt are.

Former---What is the name of your religion?

HughBe--- Some call it Christianity

Former---Is it too special to have a name?

HughBe--- Intelligent

Former---Do you tithe? How much $?

HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.

Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?

What is tithing?

Who should collect tithes?

Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?

Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51976 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Perfectly reasonable question which in your typical fashion you have dodged, obscured, bolted from, and weaved around.
Someday you will get the rules of proper communication right
Until then, you are sentenced to a lonely existence.
Poor Frijoles, let me try one more time.

Frijoles---Are other churches special?

HughBe---- the church itself is not special and so there cannot be "OTHER" special churches.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51977 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Of course not. Its done on the honor basis. And most synagogues have the official flat fee, but everyone knows that you can adjust according to your ability....and others are officially income based...
Synagogues are all independent organizations. They dont get money from a central org like Catholics do.
They have to pay clergy, supporting staff, building and property expenses, plus congregant and community services such as charity meals, and some catering for events. And then there are Hebrew school fees for those who have children enrolled. Dues NEVER cover real costs, so there there are many many opportunities to donate as the year goes along, in honor of happy events, memorials, or just for specific stuff.
Sounds a lot like tithing (by definition income-based), possibly with variation on the percentage expected. Though I think we just tossed some money in the basket. They had special "offering" envelopes where you could write your name and address for the more serious givers.

I don't know if the typical church gets money from the central office or pays money TO HQ. Maybe each according to its means.

Of course they've been pretty tapped out too with all the molestation lawsuits.

And I know many parents have complained about the steep increases in tuition at parochial schools (not to mention the closure/consolidations of the schools).
Voluntarist

United States

#51978 May 8, 2013
Americans Convinced Gun Homicides Soar Despite Actual Plunge In
Gun Crimes
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/07/2013 20:14 -0400
Consumer Sentiment Jim Cramer Reality Reuters
In yet another example of the massive gap between the American
people's perception of what is going on around them (whether by
propaganda channels or simply cognitive bias) and the actual reality,
Reuters reports that while gun-related homicides are down 39% from
the 1993 peak, only 12% of people believe that gun crimes have
fallen. Non-fatal firearm crimes declined by 69% to 467,300 in the
same period but 56% of Americans believe that gun crime is higher
now than it was 20 years ago, the Pew Research Center said its poll
showed. The dichotomy between record food stamp usage (and non-
employment) and multi-year highs in consumer sentiment comes to
mind - we wonder which is more 'real'.
Highlights of the report:
Firearm-related homicides declined 39%, from 18,253 in 1993 to
11,101 in 2011.
Nonfatal firearm crimes declined 69%, from 1.5 million victimizations
in 1993 to 467,300 victimizations in 2011.
For both fatal and nonfatal firearm victimizations, the majority of the
decline occurred during the 10-year period from 1993 to 2002.
Firearm violence accounted for about 70% of all homicides and less
than 10% of all nonfatal violent crime from 1993 to 2011.
About 70% to 80% of firearm homicides and 90% of nonfatal firearm
victimizations were committed with a handgun from 1993 to 2011.
From 1993 to 2010, males, blacks, and persons ages 18 to 24 had the
highest rates of firearm homicide.
In 2007-11, about 23% of victims of nonfatal firearm crime were
injured.
About 61% of nonfatal firearm violence was reported to the police in
2007-11.
In 2007-11, less than 1% of victims in all nonfatal violent crimes
reported using a firearm to defend themselves during the incident.
In 2004, among state prison inmates who possessed a gun at the
time of offense, less than 2% bought their firearm at a flea market or
gun show and 40% obtained their firearm from an illegal source.
Males, blacks, and persons ages 18 to 24 were most likely to be
victims of firearm violence

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-07/amer...
Voluntarist

United States

#51979 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
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If a church collapsed in a forest, would you hear it?
Just answer the question.
Why cant you answer?
If a church forced you to pay a tax to them would you pay it? under threat of imprisonment?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51980 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
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Sounds a lot like tithing (by definition income-based), possibly with variation on the percentage expected. Though I think we just tossed some money in the basket. They had special "offering" envelopes where you could write your name and address for the more serious givers.
I don't know if the typical church gets money from the central office or pays money TO HQ. Maybe each according to its means.
Of course they've been pretty tapped out too with all the molestation lawsuits.
And I know many parents have complained about the steep increases in tuition at parochial schools (not to mention the closure/consolidations of the schools).
The full time day religious schools are a different animal altogether - they are independent from the synagogues. They have official fees, plus a mandatory annual "donation" (separate tax deduction status) and often financial aid available. The financial aid does require tax form disclosure I think in most or some cases. Tuition in our area is reasonable.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51981 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe--- Let me thank you for enjoying and being captivated by the things that I write. Your request for REPETITION is one indicator of the truth of my words.
Former---Again, why do you go to church?
HughBe--- Pay close attention, I go because I am NOT "special" as you no doubt are.
Former---What is the name of your religion?
HughBe--- Some call it Christianity
Former---Is it too special to have a name?
HughBe--- Intelligent
Former---Do you tithe? How much $?
HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.
Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?
What is tithing?
Who should collect tithes?
Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?
Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?
Dont pretend you are holier than sht. Houses of worships are often much more than just hovels that provide prayer space.

Living in Jamaica you dont have the infrastructure maintenance costs, and plus your standard and cost of living is amazingly low. Plus your churches probably dont have social service components. heck you probably RECEIVE aid. Therefore you probably dont have to be concerned with raising revenue to keep your organizations like we do in the states.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51982 May 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Why cant you answer?
If a church forced you to pay a tax to them would you pay it? under threat of imprisonment?
Keep up with the stream here. We gave up on the ideological silliness and are off on better tangents as usual.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#51983 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Poor Frijoles, let me try one more time.
Frijoles---Are other churches special?
HughBe---- the church itself is not special and so there cannot be "OTHER" special churches.
I was under the impression that there are many variations among the Christian denominations. I was merely curious to see how you viewed some of them.

If you want to answer with a mono-response that is fine, and I suppose that does tell me something about how you view the other sects. Though not as interesting than if you had an assortment of differing opinions.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51984 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I guess my sarcasm went over your head, for the moment.
I find you adorable and am very proud to have you as my dad.

Take care.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51985 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
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Clearly untrue.

You are spouting your opinion.

By definition: Subjective.
Really?

Can you tell me the difference(s) between subjective and objective?
Voluntarist

United States

#51986 May 8, 2013
A more honest article former res;

Yesterday Hill was sentenced to 3 months in jail followed by three
months’ home confinement after failing to pay a tax bill because
she had withdrawn from society following threats to her family.
In June last year, Hill posted a diatribe to her Tumbler account
complaining of how the music industry is “manipulated and
controlled by a media protected military industrial complex.”
As we’ve highlighted numerous times in the past, other recording
artists have made it clear that anyone who doesn’t conform to the
strict demands of the music industry or even, as Nicole
Scherzinger recently remarked , sell their soul to satan, tends to
find success hard to maintain in an industry that punishes
individuals who dare to speak their mind.
In numerous performances and speeches over the last few years,
Hill has attempted to warn young people about how “pop culture
cannibalism” and the deliberate reductionism of art and music is
damaging a whole generation and turning them into passive,
unthinking consumers – destroying inspiration and true creativity
in the name of profit.
The Judge’s order that Hill undergo what amounts to brainwashing
and re-education simply for publicly proclaiming the fact that the
music industry is designed to strangle true talent while promoting
amoral, vacuous, mindless, turgid drivel, is part of the increasing
trend towards labeling common sense as a mental illness if it goes
against the establishment grain in any way.
Since people who post vehement political opinions on Facebook
are already being kidnapped and taken to psychiatric wards across
the country, how long before criticism of the state is officially
recognized as a mental disorder?
Those considered hostile to authority have already been tagged as
sufferers of “oppositional defiant disorder” under the the DSM-IV-
TR Manual.
The definition of this mental illness is,“a recurrent pattern of
negativistic, defiant, disobedient. and hostile behavior toward
authority figures that persists for at least 6 months.”
The attempt to frame alternative opinions as dangerous mental
disorders has also entered the political realm. In 2009, Psychology
Today wrote a hit piece on Alex Jones insinuating that anyone
who believes in a secret cabal ruling the world, which is a
perfectly accurate description of the Bilderberg Group, has a
mental disorder.
We also reported recently on how Floridians are being encouraged
to report their neighbors to authorities for making hateful
comments about the government, leaving them to be targeted for
home visits by police and “mental health professionals and
caseworkers.”
Lauren Hill’s case reminds us that the establishment not only
seeks to ridicule, ostracize and sideline those who utter
“conspiracy theories,” which has become a pejorative term for
questioning authority, but they actually seek to have all dissent
against the system classified as a form of mental illness in order to
grease the skids for legally imposed “treatment” including re-
education and even pharmacological lobotomy.

http://www.infowars.com/judge-orders-conspira...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51987 May 8, 2013
me thinks the lady doth protest too much

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#51988 May 8, 2013
and btw we already rejected Alex Jones
Voluntarist

United States

#51989 May 8, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
and btw we already rejected Alex Jones
I dont care who you reject you are always speaking collectively , mr collectivist.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51990 May 8, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Really?
Can you tell me the difference(s) between subjective and objective?
Same difference as between "signs and symptoms."

Look it up.

Next thing you'll be asking me..."what if a church
wants to arrest you?"
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51991 May 8, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Why cant you answer?
If a church forced you to pay a tax to them would you pay it? under threat of imprisonment?
I have no relationship with any church or house of worship.

Kindly move on.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51992 May 8, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former---Again, why do you go to church?
HughBe--- Pay close attention, I go because I am NOT "special" as you no doubt are.
You don't seem to want to tell me why you go to church or believe the way you believe.

Is it a religion you were born into or did you evaluate your beliefs and choose it on your own?

Did someone introduce you to the faith?

Do you consider yourself to be a good Christian?

Why or why not?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---What is the name of your religion?
HughBe--- Some call it Christianity
Who only some?

Do you believe in Christ the Lord, son of God?

That he died for our sins?

The trilogy?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Do you tithe? How much $?
HughBe--- No and obviously NO for the second question.
You do not offer any sort of financial support for the church to which you belong?

I had understood that you were somewhat affluent (by local standards).

Your church has no financial needs or obligations?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you ask? Do you want to know how much to tithe?
What is tithing?
Who should collect tithes?
Is it rabbis or LEVITICAL priests?
Suppose tithe means a tenth, do you think that collecting a tenth and renaming it changes the fact that you are collecting money fraudulently?
I'm a nontheist who was raised Catholic. Probably not the best person to address these issue for you.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51993 May 8, 2013
former res wrote:
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Same difference as between "signs and symptoms."
Wrong.

Expected.

Try again using the little intelligence that you have.

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