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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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Apr 8, 2013
 
Voluntarist wrote:
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No , you can answer it generally.
And what is an authorized killing?
Its your gripe, not mine.

This all stemmed back from my explanation of what chosen meant to a Jewish person.

You went off on this tangent. If you feel it is important to you, then develop it into a proper question that is relevant to our conversation.
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Apr 8, 2013
 
Rehabilitation of matter......
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Apr 8, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic .com/news/2013/13/130404-ameri can-conspiracy-theories-polls- debunk/?goback=%2Egde_42970_me mber_229979264
Fact Checking 6 Persistent Science Conspiracy Theories
Conspiracy theories that are easily debunked by science still persist.
1. A total of 37 percent of American voters believe global warming is a hoax.
2. A total of 29 percent of voters believe aliens do exist. Another 21 percent believe the U.S. government covered up a UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.
3. Some 20 percent believe childhood vaccines are linked to autism. These voters believe that childhood vaccines against mumps and other diseases could increase the risk of developing autism.
4. The poll revealed that 14 percent believe that Bigfoot is real. Another 14 percent said they were not sure, while 72 percent said they do not believe Bigfoot is real.
5. Some 9 percent believe the government adds fluoride to drinking water for "sinister" purposes.
6. A total of 7 percent of voters believe the moon landing was faked. Another 9 percent said they weren't sure whether the Apollo moon landing really happened.
How many believe the official JFK assassination story?
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Apr 8, 2013
 
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Its your gripe, not mine.
This all stemmed back from my explanation of what chosen meant to a Jewish person.
You went off on this tangent. If you feel it is important to you, then develop it into a proper question that is relevant to our conversation.
Sure here is a question, who gives authorization for a killing?
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Apr 8, 2013
 
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"The planned implosion of the US economy"?
lol (I dont know about your business, but I have more work now than ever)
Is this the Republican gridlock or a cabal or both?
It doesn't matter most of your so called reps are compromised.
You can laugh and be giddy about it now, you must be in the healthcare sector.

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Voluntarist wrote:
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Sure here is a question, who gives authorization for a killing?
What country, state, town, or neighborhood are you referring to, and why would I be the one to ask?

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It doesn't matter most of your so called reps are compromised.
You can laugh and be giddy about it now, you must be in the healthcare sector.
no - most of my work is business to business

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How many believe the official JFK assassination story?
Irrelevant - b/c
1) not on the list (offtopic)
2) not a science myth

focus, please
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http://news.nationalgeographic .com/news/2013/13/130404-ameri can-conspiracy-theories-polls- debunk/?goback=%2Egde_42970_me mber_229979264
Fact Checking 6 Persistent Science Conspiracy Theories
Conspiracy theories that are easily debunked by science still persist.
1. A total of 37 percent of American voters believe global warming is a hoax.
2. A total of 29 percent of voters believe aliens do exist. Another 21 percent believe the U.S. government covered up a UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.
3. Some 20 percent believe childhood vaccines are linked to autism. These voters believe that childhood vaccines against mumps and other diseases could increase the risk of developing autism.
4. The poll revealed that 14 percent believe that Bigfoot is real. Another 14 percent said they were not sure, while 72 percent said they do not believe Bigfoot is real.
5. Some 9 percent believe the government adds fluoride to drinking water for "sinister" purposes.
6. A total of 7 percent of voters believe the moon landing was faked. Another 9 percent said they weren't sure whether the Apollo moon landing really happened.
Indeed, and how about this?

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PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creati...
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Apr 8, 2013
 
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What?
You've understood nothing about the way Consciousness acts in the waking, subliminal, supraphysical, disembodied and subconscient states.
But then I don't blame you for being ignorant about something as fundamental as Consciousness and its workings since the Tanakh and NT fail to explain Consciousness and not surprisingly these infantile scriptures are more comfortable dealing with animal/human sacrifice, wars, genocides, dying on the cross, fanaticism, baby bashing, stoning disobedient sons to death, incest, warnings against the worship of other petty beings and other evils. These are the teachings of backward cults like Judaism and Christianity.
Besides, science, too, hardly knows anything about the true nature and workings of Consciousness and the way its acts in matter and is content to view Consciousness as a derivative of matter when every indicator, inference and proof refutes this naive assumption.
Anyway, carry on.
BTW, most dreams are of the subconscient variety.....
Consciousness being a process of thought is not matter. Matter is tangible and thoughts are not. It's also important to separate the new testament from the old. Jews do not believe Jesus fulfilled any messianic prophecies and is not the son of God, the Lord God is one, not three.
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Now look at "another expert" explaining prophesies mentioned in Bible.
There is no event in world's politics, no earthquake, no tornado ,….until these experts come and explain that it was mentioned in the Bible.
The "Only" problem is that, they do not realize, how many times the same prophesey has been used in past by "similar experts" to explain past events.
I had hoped that by the Fiasco of May 21, 2011, at least for some time these "Biblical Prophesy Experts" would keep low.
But here they are again in full blast….
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The original Biblical phrase has not in the least any connection with the Political event cited.
The author, of all people, might not even know the names of the countries that would sprang up, 2000 years later…. But here are our experts, showing how minutely Bible has a grip on political situation!!
One Question? Did Bible prophesize that Pope Banadict-16 would resign suddenly?
Nobody knows when the end will be including Jesus. Jesus said to the people he preached to 2000 years ago that some of them would not die til they saw the second coming. The time of the end will be revealed to the Messiah but she will keep it secret and just let it happen. What's going to happen at first is all the Messiahs enemies will be cut off by fire (spontaneous combustion). Sinning against Gods person is the deadliest sin you can commit. The messiah will also have a trial for this and at that time will abolish idolatry in Israel and send them into captivity once again.

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former res wrote:
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Indeed, and how about this?
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PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creati...
Well, since nothing has changed over 30 years, at least we cant blame it on the Bush era

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Apr 8, 2013
 
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GAY ZIONIST (FRIJOLES) & GAY JAMAICAN (HUGH):
Where's that gay Zionist (Frijoles) and the gay Jamaican (Hugh)?- not that homosexuality is abnormal.
I'd like to see the gay Zionist and the gay Jamaican in bed fighting over "your cult" and "my cult" as they make love to each other with the Jamaican playing the role of the active lover while the gay Zionist receives the Jamaican's big bamboo in his rear or mouth.
Both are retards and beggars and have a very low level of intelligence.
At least the Jamaican has some humanism which the satan-worshipping gay Zionist lacks.
Anyway, good riddance to bad rubbish.
(smiles)
Satan-worshipping passive-gay Zionist, retard and beggar? Wasn't he your PAPA that you are so proud of?

Don't you know the apple doesnt fall far from the tree?

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Satan-worshipping passive-gay Zionist, retard and beggar? Wasn't he your PAPA that you are so proud of?
I am so bummed.

not.

of course I would actually have to read those posts to be bummed
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Consciousness being a process of thought is not matter.
Thought is mind-waves - fluctuations in the mental field of consciousness.

Mind is an aspect of consciousness.

Matter is a manifestation of energy.

Consciousness and energy form a unified field that is self-existent.

The unified field of consciousness-energy goes through cycles of manifestation and non-manifestation via an innate causal mechanism.

Consciousness has numerous gradations while the concomitant energy adapts itself to the various gradations in the hierarchy.

Each aspect of consciousness has an individualized as well as a larger cosmic aspect.

When the energy component of the unified field enters a state of the non-manifest, pure consciousness remains.
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Matter is tangible and thoughts are not.
Thoughts are more tangible than matter in their own dimension and can take concrete mental forms.

Potent thoughts can manipulate matter if one knows how to go about the task...

Only the yogis can, through a union of the individualized consciousness with the object (here mind force field), consciously enter the domain of the universal mind field, of which there exist several gradations, and play with the mind forces there and cause them to act on the vital and gross physical forces from that poise.
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The Lord God is one, not three.
(smiles)

What you refer to as the "Lord God" is merely a megalomaniacal typal being (with anthropopathic traits) of a particular plane that could be the cosmic vital or at the most one of the cosmic mind planes.

The typal beings of any plane can manifest in multiple forms in their own domain as well as on the planes that're inferior to their place of origin just as H2O can assume three aspects (solid, liquid and vapor) in the physical sense.

So, the Christian Trinity of father, son and holy ghost means this - father is the manifest form of the archetypal being of a particular plane, son is the physical embodiment of the father, holy ghost is the innate causal mechanism that causes the father to embody itself as the son. Each aspect supports the other and is causally related to the other and logically speaking the triune aspects are simply seen as the multiple functional modes of a single typal being of a particular plane. There's no mystery regarding the trinity. Biunes, triunes, quadrunes, pentunes and so on are common features of nature and being and constitute the multiple manifestations of a typal state of existence.

Mind, vital and matter with their numerous sub-planes constitute the triple lower planes in the Manifestation.

The superior planes commence from the cosmic overmind which encompasses the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th planes of the cosmic gradation.

The supramental planes and those planes that exceed the supramental begin from the 13th cosmic plane.

Each plane has a different poise in terms of degree of consciousness and the concomitant energy.

Differences in the Manifestation are due to degree of manifestation and are not of kind since oneness underlies the totality - a unified field of consciousness-energy manifests as a gradation.

Reality can only be expressed in terms of consciousness and energy and their gradations.

Everything else is fiction.
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Totally incorrect
We accept converts. We just dont troll for them.
Yes, if some one is "bent on" joining you, how could you refuse him?

But you try to create as many hindrances in their path as you can.!!

A new comer is an unwelcome guest, it is best to be "born into the religion"!

That is your moto and your history.
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/75606978

The madness that was Iraq War, listen from the Horse' Mouth Now Part-8

Update: The Iraq War Ledger

A Look at the War’s Human, Financial, and Strategic Costs

Matthew Duss and Peter Juul December 2011

Sources: Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction,“January 2010:

Quarterly Report to Congress”(2010), pg. 23, 29, 38, 50-51, 55; Special Inspector General for Iraq

Reconstruction,“Applying Iraq’s Hard Lessons”(2009), pg. 23; Brookings Institution:“Iraq Index”(2010).

Endnotes

1 “Iraq Coalition Military Fatalities By Year,”available at http://icasualties.org/ (last accessed Nov. 22, 2011)

2 Ibid

3 “Iraq Coalition Casualties: U.S. Wounded Total,” available at http://icasualties.org/
Iraq / US Casualties By State. aspx (last accessed Nov. 22, 2011)

4 “Iraqi Deaths, ISF,” available at http://icasualties.org/Iraq/IraqiDeaths.aspx (last
accessed Dec. 1, 2011)

5 “Iraq Body Count,” available at http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

6 Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre,“Iraq: Internally Displaced Population,”

7 UNHCR,“2011 Country Operations Profile: Iraq,” available at http://www.un hcr.
org/pages/49e486426.html,(Last accessed Dec. 1, 2011)

8 Amy Belasco,“The Cost of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Other Global War on Terror Operations Since 9/11” Washington: Congressional Research Service, 2011),
available at http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

9 Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes, The Three Trillion Dollar War,(New York: WW Norton and Company, 2008) p. 59.

10 “Newly formed South Sudan joins Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan at top of Maplecroft terrorism ranking,” Maplecroft News, August 3, 2011, available at http://maplecroft.com/about/news/terrorism_in... (Last accessed Dec. 1, 2011)

11 Matt Duss,“Petraeus: Damage Done By Abu Ghraib Is Permanent,” ThinkProgress,
April 1, 2010, available at http://thinkprogress.org/security/2010/04/01

12 White House,“Strengthening Military Families: Meeting America’s Commitment”(2011), available at http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2011/011...
strengthening_our_military_jan uary_2011.pdf

13 Erin Bagalman,“Suicide, PTSD, and Substance Use Among OEF/OIF Veterans Using VA Health Care: Facts and Figures”(Washington: Congressional Research Service, July 18, 2011) available at http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41921.pdf

14 Ibid.

15 Centers for Disease Control,“Suicide: Facts at a Glance,” Summer 2010, http://
www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/Suicide_Da... .

16 Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction,“Quarterly Report to
Congress,” October 2011, http://www.sigir.mil/publications/quarterlyre...
October2011-Figures.html.

17 Nina Serafino, Curt Tarnoff, and Dick K. Nanto,“U.S. Occupation Assistance: Iraq, Germany, and Japan Compared,”(Washington: Congressional Research Service, March 23, 2006), available at http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/
RL33331_20060323.pdf.

18 SIGIR,“Quarterly Report to Congress,” p. 74.

19 Ibid, p. 81.

20 Ibid, p. 85.

21 SIGIR,“Quarterly Report to Congress”(July 2011), http://www.sigir.mil/files/
quarterlyreports/July2011/Repo rt_-_July_2011.pdf, p. 101.

22 SIGIR,“Quarterly Report to Congress”(October 2011), p. 85.

23 UNHCR,“2011 UNHCR Country Operations Profile – Iraq,” available at http://
www.unhcr.org/pages/49e486426.html ; SIGIR “Quarterly Report to Congress”(October 2011), p. 48

24 “Quarterly Report to Congress”(October 2011), p. 67.

25 Ibid, p. 50.
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Sure
Most veterans don't realize that they are doing the bidding of international bankers all over the world.
Once the armed forces are fully robotic they won't need the US army/navy etc.
They realize that these veterans will be going home to crumbling cities all over the US.
The planned implosion of the US economy won't go over well with armed veterans fighting for U.S. sovereignty against the globalists that want their new world order aka one world government.
This is why they want to disarm veterans and use the robotic forces against them , drones etc.
Robotic forces will easily be sold to the dumb down American public because of the casualties that will come from the next American target of destruction.
Of course nobody will take time to think what will happen when the robots are released back on the american people.
when you say that...what do you mean???
terrorists r planning on bombing another U.S. city with a drone?

i am really WONDERING JUST WHY Obama is insisting on closing down so MANY Aircraft Towers??
Doesn't he WANT the public to be safe?

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