Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#231 Jan 17, 2013
The science of climate change is not that damn complicated to follow if you do a modicum of research or watch some of the many specials that have been presented. When you have an consortium of science from all over the world meet, review the evidence and agree that the situation is real, that's pretty damned overwhelming. They may not all agree as to what caused it but the evidence is solid. There will always be nay sayers and outliers with alternative theories but the most respected and respected scientist from across the globe are in unison that climate change is happening and happening faster than their original predictions. That cycles may be occuring within the process doesn't change the overall conclusion.
GuestX

Jonesboro, AR

#232 Jan 17, 2013
Fo Show wrote:
The science of climate change is not that damn complicated to follow if you do a modicum of research or watch some of the many specials that have been presented. When you have an consortium of science from all over the world meet, review the evidence and agree that the situation is real, that's pretty damned overwhelming. They may not all agree as to what caused it but the evidence is solid. There will always be nay sayers and outliers with alternative theories but the most respected and respected scientist from across the globe are in unison that climate change is happening and happening faster than their original predictions. That cycles may be occuring within the process doesn't change the overall
conclusion.
I don't see how anyone in 2013 who has an infinite amount of knowledge right at their fingertips can deny climate change. Using a quick Google search you can read the scientific studies and research done on this subject. I think for a lot of people it's strictly about politics, sad really.
the real guest

United States

#233 Jan 18, 2013
GuestX wrote:
Climate change is not a hoax and 98% of all climatologist agree with that. Climate change is happening whether you believe it or not. The only debate in the scientific community is whether climate change is a natural occurrence or man made.
Exactly. "Climate change" always occurs. However, "man made global warming" has been proven to be a hoax.

The two terms are most definitely not interchangable.

The "scientists" at the Climate Research in the UK are running a big con game to further their political agenda. It was all over the news. It's amazing that there are still people who believe their lies. P.T. Barnum was right - there's a sucker born every minute.
haha

AOL

#235 Jan 18, 2013
Scientists, guys
haha

AOL

#234 Jan 18, 2013
Back in the 70's these same sciuentiest said we were going to freeze to death.
You guya make up your minds. Do I buy coats or air conditioners!!! LOL
http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
GuestX

Jonesboro, AR

#236 Jan 18, 2013
haha wrote:
Back in the 70's these same sciuentiest said we were going to freeze to death.
You guya make up your minds. Do I buy coats or air conditioners!!! LOL
http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
Actually during the 1970's there were 49 peer reviewed journals published on climate change. 42 of them predicted warming 7 predicted cooling or were inconclusive. So even back then the consensus in the scientific community was in favor of warming not cooling. There is a reason why when you deal with science it's better to listen to the scientist and not the media.
Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#237 Jan 18, 2013
In addition to that, the Pentagon's strategic long-term planners have, for over a decade, began puttig together contingecy plans based on computer models of likely fighting over water in various regions throughout the world. Big companies in the private sector are also factoring in climate change in making their long range investment planning. In other words, a overwhelming concensus of intelligent people are incorporating the reality of climate change into their planning and monitoring the yearly changes to increase the accuracy of their models. The other side of the spectrum cling to the alternative reality of the Fox & Friends crowd and look to Pat Robertson to explain the meaning of radical weather occurences.
Edward Kelly

Adelaide, Australia

#238 Jan 18, 2013
I believe that this age will be lamented - probably more than the last. Mostly for the opportunities we didnt take.

The most alarming opportunity that is faced is to arrest the mass exinctions that are currently occuring - and forecast to accelerate. Over the history of the planet,at the point of each major change in the earths climate, mass extinctions occur.

Humans are doing an excellent job at simulating the phenomena. Or are they? is the accelerting rate of extinctions an indication of a natural migration to the next age? I hardly believe that this is the case considering most extinctions are to pollution, habitat loss, hunting, fishing, and human related activities.

What world are we leaving our unborn decendents? Will it be the same? will it be more diverse? or, as I fear, will it be decimated?

The question of Global warming is simplistic. Environmental Sustainability is the one we should be asking.
Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#239 Jan 18, 2013
That's an interesting subject I've never really thought of. I think in another 20 years people will look back at this period in history and wonder why the hell people who were provided the scientific evidence couldn't even agree on it's validity much less take steps to see what could be done to reverse the process.
the real guest

United States

#240 Jan 19, 2013
Fo Show wrote:
I think in another 20 years people will look back at this period in history and wonder why the hell people who were provided the scientific evidence couldn't even agree on it's validity...
Because there is no "validity" of the evidence. As was stated earlier on this thread, the "scientists" in charge of collecting the data have been proven guilty of manipulating that data to make it appear there is evidence to support man-made global warming where none exists.

Besides, it's quite arrogant to think that man can, in less than 150 years, destroy the planet that has existed for 4.5 billion years.
Ralphie

Jonesboro, AR

#241 Jan 19, 2013
Global warming is a scam! A scam that taxes the working man so that rich people like Al Gore can get richer. Look at Prince Charles who goes around telling us to take one bath a week to save the earth while he jets around the world and bathes as much as he wants. I reject global warming and everyone that falls for this isn't living in reality. Our real problem is the poverty that's heading our way because our nation is being destroyed by these authoritarians that are purposely destroying our way of life. Pray for this nation and pray that these authoritarians in charge will be brought to justice before it's too late.
Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#242 Jan 19, 2013
the real guest wrote:
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Because there is no "validity" of the evidence. As was stated earlier on this thread, the "scientists" in charge of collecting the data have been proven guilty of manipulating that data to make it appear there is evidence to support man-made global warming where none exists.
Besides, it's quite arrogant to think that man can, in less than 150 years, destroy the planet that has existed for 4.5 billion years.
The problem is carbon emissions are increasing the melting of polar ice caps. As soil encased in ice is exposed it also releases carbon compounding the effect. From what little I've seen on the science of reducing the carbon emissions, it is not in the least bit inconceivable that we can develop the technology to tremendously reduce carbon in our atmosphere. There first has to be a driver for demand to create a market in which development of such technology is financially feasible. Destroying the planet is not the issue; the planet will be fine. Nature rejuvenates itself but we may not be part of the new development at that point.
the real guest

United States

#243 Jan 19, 2013
Fo Show wrote:
The problem is carbon emissions are increasing the melting of polar ice caps.
Yeah, that's what the scam artists want you to believe so that you'll give them more power and your money. The trouble is that there is no causal link between climate change and man. And like I said, the data has been manipulated in an effort to make it support their political agenda.

Don't be a sucker. Think for yourself.
From what little I've seen on the science of reducing the carbon emissions, it is not in the least bit inconceivable that we can develop the technology to tremendously reduce carbon in our atmosphere.
Well, we really don't need to. You see, if indeed the polar ice caps and glaciers are melting, that means that soil will be exposed and plants will grow where they have not in eons. Plants consume CO2. So more plants will consume more CO2, thus lowering the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

And when those nasty greenhouse gases are lowered to the point where the atmosphere doesn't trap as much heat from the sun, the earth will enter into a cooling cycle. More ice will develop on the poles and more glaciers will develop. That means plant life will decrease. Less plant life means less consumption of CO2 and CO2 levels in the atmosphere will once again begin to rise. Of course that will be tens of thousands of years from now, and there may another scam artist named Al Gore at that time. But that's not really a problem we need to worry about now.

The climate is self regulating, and has been doing just fine for 4.5 billion years.
Destroying the planet is not the issue; the planet will be fine.
Exactly. So all this alarmist bullshit is nothing more than a scam to move money from your pocket into the pockets of people like Al Gore.

Again, don't be a sucker.
Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#244 Jan 19, 2013
the real guest wrote:
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Yeah, that's what the scam artists want you to believe so that you'll give them more power and your money. The trouble is that there is no causal link between climate change and man. And like I said, the data has been manipulated in an effort to make it support their political agenda.
Don't be a sucker. Think for yourself.
<quoted text>
Well, we really don't need to. You see, if indeed the polar ice caps and glaciers are melting, that means that soil will be exposed and plants will grow where they have not in eons. Plants consume CO2. So more plants will consume more CO2, thus lowering the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
And when those nasty greenhouse gases are lowered to the point where the atmosphere doesn't trap as much heat from the sun, the earth will enter into a cooling cycle. More ice will develop on the poles and more glaciers will develop. That means plant life will decrease. Less plant life means less consumption of CO2 and CO2 levels in the atmosphere will once again begin to rise. Of course that will be tens of thousands of years from now, and there may another scam artist named Al Gore at that time. But that's not really a problem we need to worry about now.
The climate is self regulating, and has been doing just fine for 4.5 billion years.
<quoted text>
Exactly. So all this alarmist bullshit is nothing more than a scam to move money from your pocket into the pockets of people like Al Gore.
Again, don't be a sucker.
I would have to respond don't be an idiot. Climate change is real and I can see the effects of it internationally in headlines every year. These aren't scam artist claims; they're the findings of scientist from all over the globe. At what level or to what degree the effects are being measured may have variations among different studies but the science of climate change is solid. I'm not doomsday prepping so you shouldn't be in a state of denial.
Edward Kelly

Adelaide, Australia

#245 Jan 19, 2013
Clearly we cant expect to continue to release ever increasing gigatonnes of pollution without expecting some form of result. You would be delusional (and illinformed) to think we could.

Our mountains of pollution, both airborne and landbound, if not captured, controlled and made benign to the environment, have an undeniable effect on the health of our plane - much of it will continue to affect the health of the planet for years to come.

Our relationship with the Earth should be symbiotic, at present it is parasitic.
Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#246 Jan 19, 2013
Very well stated! It shouldn't require advanced science skills to realize that we've not been good stewards of the earth's resources. When satelite signals have interference because of earth's trash floating around in space, it should put a little perspective on the whole issue. After the "Dust Bowl" era of the Great Depression, our national leaders moved swiftly to enact what was then very progressive conservation practices. Climate change being more subtle and a global issue makes it much harder for people to accept.
Edward Kelly

Adelaide, Australia

#247 Jan 19, 2013
Fo Show wrote:
Very well stated! It shouldn't require advanced science skills to realize that we've not been good stewards of the earth's resources. When satelite signals have interference because of earth's trash floating around in space, it should put a little perspective on the whole issue. After the "Dust Bowl" era of the Great Depression, our national leaders moved swiftly to enact what was then very progressive conservation practices. Climate change being more subtle and a global issue makes it much harder for people to accept.
The unfortunate truth is that people are fearful of change. Historically people have resisted science that challenges long held beliefs or practices. Those who are fearful of change grasp to the malinformation perpetuated by those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, thereby muddying the waters and creating confusion in the minds of those susceptable. Pure science exists, but not in the minds of these people.
Edward Kelly

Adelaide, Australia

#248 Jan 19, 2013
the real guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, we really don't need to. You see, if indeed the polar ice caps and glaciers are melting, that means that soil will be exposed and plants will grow where they have not in eons. Plants consume CO2. So more plants will consume more CO2, thus lowering the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Antarctica is the highest, driest, coldest, windiest and brightest of the seven continents. It is roughly the size of the United States and Mexico combined and is almost completely covered by a layer of ice that averages more than one mile in thickness, but is nearly three miles thick in places. This ice accumulated over millions of years through snowfall. Presently, the Antarctic ice sheet contains 90% of the ice on Earth and would raise sea levels worldwide by over 200 feet were it to melt.
http://lima.nasa.gov/antarctica/

Your hypothesis seems void as many hundreds of millions of people will require relocation waiting for your plants to grow, the CO2 to stabilize and the world to return to normal.

Do you have any valid references to support your claims or are your claims merely a representation of your (little) knowledge on the subject?
Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#249 Jan 19, 2013
It's this Fox & Friends alternative universe that host all these conspiracy theories and false flag scientist. This universe exist in a bubble that facts & logic cannot penetrate. In this universe, it's considered a wise move to appoint a chair to the House Science Committee that refers to evolution as "lies straight from Hell." Somehow, I don't see this committee as making any great advances on science & technology. The defunding of NASA is, in my opinon, one of the great mistakes of the last decade. Historically, the advances in space exploration have led to the incorporation of much of the technology into private enterprises that have spurred the economy in addition to the great advances in medicine, engineering, computer technology, etc. I can't do justice to explaining it but I watched a piece on TV with Neal Degrasse Tyson laying out how NASA's discoveries had spurred innovation and given the US an edge in many areas where we led the world.
the real guest

United States

#250 Jan 20, 2013
Fo Show wrote:
Climate change is real and I can see the effects of it internationally in headlines every year.
I very clearly stated earlier in this thread that climate change is a known fact. However, there exists no causal link between man's activity and rising global temperatures.
These aren't scam artist claims; they're the findings of scientist from all over the globe.
Again, the climate is changing. That's not the issue. The scam is that man is causing global warming and that we must vastly alter man's activities and implement massive change toward other energy sources and severely burdensome regulations that will destroy manufacturing and transportation. And if that can be accomplished, government siezes untold new power and men like Al Gore and Obama's buddies at companies like Solyndra rake in even more billions than they already have.

So yeah, it is a huge scam. I guess you're one of the suckers P.T. Barnum told us about.

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