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#32979 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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Arnold, stop the spin game. I'll use your words, "You even say you admire him for the strength of his beliefs." Nowhere did you say I admired the strengths of his beliefs on racism. I admire the fact that he doesn't endorse the "group mentality" you beg for on here. He's his own man, it doesn't matter if I agree with him, you agree with him or no one agrees with, he puts out more than just his beliefs on race on here and he doesn't need cheerleaders. I admire his strength in standing by his beliefs. From his posting, he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he and his wife worked their butts off to get what they have, just as many of us have and living in the past whining about what might have been doesn't do a thing about today. You're black, I get it, but I don't owe you anything because of the color of your skin no more than you owe me for my gender and remember we're both protected classes. Do you really think me calling out Silver is going to change his beliefs? Do you think Silver calling me out on mine is going to change my beliefs. No in both cases.
You guys get on here and tell those of us you disagree with that we're only looking out for ourselves and we're selfish. You guys always like to quote Hitler "If you tell a lie long enough then the people will believe it", well you guys have told us that lie long enough that just maybe we believe it and we are only looking out for ourselves. Either way, you call out Silver and anyone else you want to and I'll do the same when I see fit. I don't believe I've seen you call Mike out for calling me a chicken shit and other names. So when you stop doing the same thing you accuse me of, we'll have a conversation.
Trying to change one's belief is not the issue. Do you think I am Naive enough to believe that Silver can be changed? Being a religious person, Do you understand sins of commission and sins of omission? Sins of commission are sins that you commit. Sins of omission are those where you see a wrong and fail to act to do the right thing. The second one is the hardest to live by. You have not called out any past and ongoing injustice. Do you think God will view this favorably?

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#32980 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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Chicken shit is a personal opinion. Racial discrimination and injustice is a fact of history. You condone it in your time by giving positive feedback to it's advocates. That is the difference.
The old double standard again Arnold. Chicken shit is a personal opinion, so are the names you're called. My personal and outdated favorite is when the whites are called "crackers". Is that a personal opinion or you just give that one a pass? IMO, name calling is all personal opinion, just depends on how much mud you're willing to sling.

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#32981 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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Trying to change one's belief is not the issue. Do you think I am Naive enough to believe that Silver can be changed? Being a religious person, Do you understand sins of commission and sins of omission? Sins of commission are sins that you commit. Sins of omission are those where you see a wrong and fail to act to do the right thing. The second one is the hardest to live by. You have not called out any past and ongoing injustice. Do you think God will view this favorably?
Arnold, since you decided to bring God into this, I'll give you my answer.

8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. 9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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#32982 Jan 21, 2013
Her mind is inferior to that of man, and we know that it requires the strongest of minds to become a good politician.... She has n ot sufficient stability of character. She would always follow the opinions of her father, brother or husband ... and this might do more hurt than good.... There is no need of it. There are men enough who have nothing else to do who can transact all necessary business.... If permitted to study politics she would understand the art of governing and she might usurp the authority of men and it would be rather revolting to our feelings to see her holding it over the lords of creation.... She is too fastidious. This needs no comment.... If woman should have the control of affairs, we should soon see woman placed in every department of office in the country, thus throwing many of our most distinguished men out of office, and of course out of employment, or they would not do anything else to support themselves, and would soon become pests to security.... she would soon be able to converse intelligently on the subject of politics, and on this subject equal men.... If we should see ladies attending conventions, traveling about the country in great carts drawn by many yoke of oxen, waving their pocket handkerchiefs to assembled multitudes, it would greatly shock our sensibilities.... She was never designed for it. Her eyes were never made to be spoiled in plodding over political trash.... I presume it would be quite as easy to give 40 times 40 reasons why gentlemen should not engage in politics with such fiery zeal that they sometimes do, as it is to give 40 why ladies should not engage in them as well.
Read more at http://quotes.dictionary.com/search/omission_ (disambiguation)?page=1#WRkdOs zSVtjkIPY1.99
My how times have changed!

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#32983 Jan 21, 2013
Lydia Drake
Lydia Drake (c. 1819–?), U.S. college student. As quoted in The Female Experience, ch. 63, by Gerda Lerner (1977).

Drake was one of four women who entered Oberlin College in 1837 as freshmen in the "regular college course," making the institution truly coeducational.(Another of the four was Lucy Stone [1818-1893], who became a prominent women's rights activist.) Drake wrote a 40-point satire purporting to explain why women should not vote or be active in politics; the points reprinted here are numbers 1, 4, 8, 9, 18, 21, 23, 27, and 31. Drake completed her studies at Oberlin in 1845, but little else is known about her.
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#32985 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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Arnold, stop the spin game. I'll use your words, "You even say you admire him for the strength of his beliefs." Nowhere did you say I admired the strengths of his beliefs on racism. I admire the fact that he doesn't endorse the "group mentality" you beg for on here. He's his own man, it doesn't matter if I agree with him, you agree with him or no one agrees with, he puts out more than just his beliefs on race on here and he doesn't need cheerleaders. I admire his strength in standing by his beliefs. From his posting, he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he and his wife worked their butts off to get what they have, just as many of us have and living in the past whining about what might have been doesn't do a thing about today. You're black, I get it, but I don't owe you anything because of the color of your skin no more than you owe me for my gender and remember we're both protected classes. Do you really think me calling out Silver is going to change his beliefs? Do you think Silver calling me out on mine is going to change my beliefs. No in both cases.
You guys get on here and tell those of us you disagree with that we're only looking out for ourselves and we're selfish. You guys always like to quote Hitler "If you tell a lie long enough then the people will believe it", well you guys have told us that lie long enough that just maybe we believe it and we are only looking out for ourselves. Either way, you call out Silver and anyone else you want to and I'll do the same when I see fit. I don't believe I've seen you call Mike out for calling me a chicken shit and other names. So when you stop doing the same thing you accuse me of, we'll have a conversation.
They have claimed to be "victims" for so long they actually believe it.

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#32986 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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Arnold, since you decided to bring God into this, I'll give you my answer.
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. 9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Right is right, and wrong is wrong. No way of dancing around that.

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#32987 Jan 21, 2013
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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They have claimed to be "victims" for so long they actually believe it.
My Great Grandmother said that some people let "chains of the past, chain them in the future".

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#32988 Jan 21, 2013
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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They have claimed to be "victims" for so long they actually believe it.
They are still victims at your place of work. Your agency refuse to serve them by your own prejudice and admission. You condone their victimization and even brag about it.

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#32989 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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No white person is reminded of a period in the past of great injustice and suffering by the term "cracker". You have always been on the side of power, so you have no frame of reference to make the term "bad" or "offensive". Do you think the term "cracker" and the word "n*gger" have the same power and on the same level?
I think you avoided this question, Bacon, as you always seem to do.

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#32990 Jan 21, 2013
TSF wrote:
Pro, Your misintrepretation of "distributive property" (and that of the author of your link)would be funny if it were not so pathetic. Distributive property means that you get the same answer regardless of the sequence of the mathematical operation . For instance: 3 X 2 X 6=36
and by the distributive property 6 X 2 X 3= 36. Teaching children about distributive properties IS NOT TEACHING THEM re-distribution of wealth. This is a perfect example of how uneducated republikans are tricked in to believing the BS that the tax breaks for the rich leaders feed them.
This is basically why republikans hate education. If their followig becomes informed, they are more difficult to brainwash into believing the BS.
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Actually, your example is a little flawed. The property you are demonstrating is called Commutative Law. It allows you to swap numbers around and get the same answer, i.e. your example.

Distributive law is when you multiply a variable across a polynomial.

3x(x+1+2y)= 3x^2 + 3x + 6xy

While distributive law does not directly teach "redistribution of wealth" it does however teach basic principles of redistibution.

The economic policy of taxing the wealthy "just a little more" is closely aligned with the communist ideology of redistribution of wealth. Nationalization is the redistibution of physical property.

Since we are talking about redistribution, again, here is some more info for review.

"Today, income redistribution occurs in some form in most democratic countries. In a progressive income tax system, a high income earner will pay a higher tax rate than a low income earner. The difference between the Gini index for an income distribution before taxation and the Gini index after taxation is an indicator for the effects of such taxation. Two common types of governmental redistribution of wealth are subsidies and vouchers (such as food stamps). These "transfer payment" programs are funded through general taxation, but disproportionately benefit the poor, who pay fewer or no taxes. While the persons receiving redistributions from such programs may prefer to be directly given cash, these programs may be more palatable to society, as it gives society some measure of control over how the funds are spent."

"Currently in the United States, any means-tested entitlement program can be considered a redistributive effort. This is because the US Government practices a progressive income tax that disproportionately yields public revenues from various earnings brackets. As the wealthy pay more into the system and the poor receive more marginal utility through programs such as TANF, Medicaid, FHA insured loans, and the earned income tax credit (all of which are means-tested), it could be argued that the United States has democratically opted for the redistribution of wealth. Each of these programs provide services or financial aid to the poor."

"The Gini coefficient (also known as the Gini index or Gini ratio) is a measure of statistical dispersion. The Gini coefficient measures the inequality among values of a frequency distribution (for example levels of income). A Gini coefficient of zero expresses perfect equality, where all values are the same (for example, where everyone has an exactly equal income). A Gini coefficient of one (100 on the percentile scale) expresses maximal inequality among values (for example where only one person has all the income). There are some issues in interpreting a Gini coefficient. The same value may result from many different distribution curves. The demographic structure should be taken into account. Countries with an aging population, or with a baby boom, experience an increasing pre-tax Gini coefficient even if real income distribution for working adults remain constant."

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#32991 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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Right is right, and wrong is wrong. No way of dancing around that.
You asked me "Do you think God will view this favorably?" I gave you God's words about us thinking for Him. No way of dancing around that. I'm not in the business of thinking for God.

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#32992 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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I think you avoided this question, Bacon, as you always seem to do.
Do you know every white person and how they feel about being called a "cracker"? Unless you do, it's nothing more than your opinion. Looks like you've got on your dancing shoes.

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#32994 Jan 21, 2013
TSF wrote:
Pro, Your misintrepretation of "distributive property" (and that of the author of your link)would be funny if it were not so pathetic. Distributive property means that you get the same answer regardless of the sequence of the mathematical operation . For instance: 3 X 2 X 6=36
and by the distributive property 6 X 2 X 3= 36. Teaching children about distributive properties IS NOT TEACHING THEM re-distribution of wealth. This is a perfect example of how uneducated republikans are tricked in to believing the BS that the tax breaks for the rich leaders feed them.
This is basically why republikans hate education. If their followig becomes informed, they are more difficult to brainwash into believing the BS.
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"Criticism

Conservative, libertarian and neoliberal arguments against property redistribution consider the term a euphemism for theft or forced labor, and argue that redistribution of legitimately obtained property cannot ever be just. Public choice theory states that redistribution tends to benefit those with political clout to set spending priorities more than those in need, who lack real influence on government.

In the United States, some of the founding fathers and several subsequent leaders expressed opposition to redistribution of wealth.

Samuel Adams stated: "The utopian schemes of leveling [redistribution of wealth], and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable as those that vest all property in the Crown.[These ideas] are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional."

James Madison, author of the Constitution, wrote, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

United States President Grover Cleveland vetoed an expenditure of federal aid explaining,

I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution; and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadily resisted ... The friendliness and charity of our fellow countrymen can always be relied on to relieve their fellow citizens in misfortune..... Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood."

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#32995 Jan 21, 2013
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>My Great Grandmother said that some people let "chains of the past, chain them in the future".
Yup, mine said it is better to be hated for who you are, than loved for what you are not.

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#32996 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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They are still victims at your place of work. Your agency refuse to serve them by your own prejudice and admission. You condone their victimization and even brag about it.
Not for nothing AZ, I find it amusing how you don't put yourself into play. Should you not say "We" are still victims....? It was just an observation.

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#32997 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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The old double standard again Arnold. Chicken shit is a personal opinion, so are the names you're called. My personal and outdated favorite is when the whites are called "crackers". Is that a personal opinion or you just give that one a pass? IMO, name calling is all personal opinion, just depends on how much mud you're willing to sling.
Not really, I am called RACIAL names...A huge difference

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#32998 Jan 21, 2013
emlu wrote:
<quoted text>Not for nothing AZ, I find it amusing how you don't put yourself into play. Should you not say "We" are still victims....? It was just an observation.
All of you play the semantics game to avoid the real truth of how you really feel about discrimination and speaking out against injustice.

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#32999 Jan 21, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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Do you know every white person and how they feel about being called a "cracker"? Unless you do, it's nothing more than your opinion. Looks like you've got on your dancing shoes.
You know the answer. You are just too gutless to admit the truth so you dance around it like you always do. That is you M.O. since this threat began.

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#33000 Jan 21, 2013
Arnold-Ziffel wrote:
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All of you play the semantics game to avoid the real truth of how you really feel about discrimination and speaking out against injustice.
AZ, I did not grow up where color of ANYONE was an issue. I speak of injustice all the time ask the people I work with, so don't "lump" in where you know nothing. Further more my heritage is Native American AND female, so don't talk to me about discrimination. I try to cast off those "chains" that bind me to the historical past. Native Americans and women are moving right along in today's world.

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