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Honestly Curious

Little Rock, AR

#1 Feb 4, 2013
I'm a Christian who was baptized when I was young, but there are a few things I'm really struggling to come to terms with. These things are really bothering me and I have struggled with my faith at times as a result of it.

My main question is this. Would a person who was born in China 2000 years ago and lived a very good life full of love and nobility but never heard of Christ go to hell? There is no way this person could have ever heard of Christ. It's not their fault and it's almost like they were damned from the day they were born. It just doesn't seem fair to me and it truly deep down bothers me. I don't want to seem like I was questioning my faith so I haven't asked my family about this.

I'm open minded, but it just doesn't seem right to me that a loving God would send someone who lived a good life but never heard of him to hell. I just wanna know if there is something I don't understand here. I feel lost and confused. I wanna believe in God more than anything but I just have a lot of things I need to understand better. Anyone have any answers to help?
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#2 Feb 4, 2013
The typical Christian answer is that no people are good because of original sin. So according to your faith yes they are in hell. No matter how good of a person they were they will suffer forever because of the time and place of their birth. You as a christian, if you are right, will witness that suffering for all time from a comfy cloud in heaven.

I want to make clear that I personally do not believe or condone this kind of thing. It is impossible questions like these that made me turn from religion in the first place. The books make too many logical errors for me to follow them. I would think a book written by an all knowing god would do a better job explaining things like this.
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#3 Feb 4, 2013
I'm sure to spark controversy now that I the unbeliever has posted. I want to apologize if I have caused you any undue stress. There are plenty of great internet resources both religious and not that deal with these kinds of questions. So whenever you need to type your problems into google it can usually pull up a few discussion from other people in your situation. If that is too much trouble for you can shot me an email tel.turambar@gmail.com with a list of your questions and I'll reply with a list of links from both sides that may help you out.

I also want to clarify that I am not trying to make you believe or unbelieve anything. I know what it's like to struggle with these difficult questions and thought I would offer what help I have found. You choose what to do with the information.
Honestly Curious

Little Rock, AR

#4 Feb 4, 2013
It's okay you are entitled to your own opinion and I really appreciate you for sharing it. Thanks for your input.

I wanna believe in God more than anything it's just these questions like this and the whole mindset of most churches around here make it really difficult.

I've came to believe there is some sort if higher power based on how astounding the universe is. There is so much beauty out there and just the very idea of life is astounding. I'm just having a hard time with the Christian faith right now which is killing me because I feel like I'm letting my family, friends, and so many others down. I'm trying I really am. I stopped going to church because of criticism from people for supporting Obama and standing for separation of church and state. I was called a hypocrite because I thought gays should have the right to marry and I think Inipendance county should be allowed to sell alcohol. I just felt like they looked down on my for my political beliefs and it really deep down bothered me. There was one man who said, "I don't see how anyone can be a Christian and vote for Obama. Do all things for the glory of Christ." There was so much of that attitude and it just bothered me because I wanna believe but I just feel it in my heart something isn't right..
guest

Tyler, TX

#5 Feb 4, 2013
Honestly Curious wrote:
I'm a Christian who was baptized when I was young, but there are a few things I'm really struggling to come to terms with. These things are really bothering me and I have struggled with my faith at times as a result of it.
My main question is this. Would a person who was born in China 2000 years ago and lived a very good life full of love and nobility but never heard of Christ go to hell? There is no way this person could have ever heard of Christ. It's not their fault and it's almost like they were damned from the day they were born. It just doesn't seem fair to me and it truly deep down bothers me. I don't want to seem like I was questioning my faith so I haven't asked my family about this.
I'm open minded, but it just doesn't seem right to me that a loving God would send someone who lived a good life but never heard of him to hell. I just wanna know if there is something I don't understand here. I feel lost and confused. I wanna believe in God more than anything but I just have a lot of things I need to understand better. Anyone have any answers to help?
I don't believe in any gods, but to answer your question:

If the god you believe in is malevolent, then yes, they're in Hell. If the god you believe in is loving and merciful, then the answer is no, they're not in hell.

Christians believe in an omniscient god who created all things. So what would be the logic in creating something knowing in advance that it would suffer for all eternity,...unless that creator was evil?
gregg taylor

Batesville, AR

#6 Feb 4, 2013
People like that will have another chance during the millnuem or thousand year rule of JESUS on earth, just like he went to sheol and preached to the captives before his time to lead them out at his resurrection.Don't listen to other people for they will lead you straight to hell, read the WORD and let the SPIRIT guide you and you will understand.
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#7 Feb 4, 2013
I honestly wish i could just tell you what to do and make it better but that would be disingenuous and no better than what the people in your church were doing by telling you to knuckle under and follow suit. Ultimately as people with open and curious mind, typically referred to as Free-Thinkers, it is up to you to come to terms with your cognitive dissonance. Too many people rely on figures in authority to show them the "right" way. We as Independent thinking creature ultimately must rely on our own judgement to do what is best for us.

My sister still prays for me and my family everyday in hope that'll I'll change my mind and be religious again, but she still loves me. The people who truly care for you will do so whatever you believe.
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#8 Feb 4, 2013
Also I apologize for my over use of the word ultimately.
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#9 Feb 4, 2013
gregg taylor wrote:
People like that will have another chance during the millnuem or thousand year rule of JESUS on earth, just like he went to sheol and preached to the captives before his time to lead them out at his resurrection.Don't listen to other people for they will lead you straight to hell, read the WORD and let the SPIRIT guide you and you will understand.
You do realize threatening this confused man with damnation for having questions is only going to cause him more pain right?
Tin-man

Searcy, AR

#10 Feb 4, 2013
If you would read His word you would already know the answer to your question. The Lord will reveal himself to everyone on earth. Even them tribes in Africa that no one even knows exist.
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#11 Feb 4, 2013
Here is are a couple of links dealing with the 1000 year reign on earth that Gregg mentioned.

http://www.studythebible.com/question/topics/...

http://www.1000yearmillennium.com/

Use your brain and study for yourself. Don't just take either of our words for it.
gregg taylor

Batesville, AR

#12 Feb 4, 2013
Terry Steward wrote:
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You do realize threatening this confused man with damnation for having questions is only going to cause him more pain right?
I didn't threaten the man with anything, pull your head out boy and learnhow to read.
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#13 Feb 4, 2013
gregg taylor wrote:
Don't listen to other people for they will lead you straight to hell, read the WORD and let the SPIRIT guide you and you will understand.
That's funny because this looks exactly like a threat of damnation to me. If reading the "Word" and listening to "Spirits" were enough he wouldn't be posting on here in the first place. You only want to shut him down from asking questions by posting comments like these.
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#14 Feb 4, 2013
Like I said. If you really have questions and want useful resources email me, because like always these pages will turn into nothing but a flame war over topics like this. Yes, it's my real email address so if others want to send me hate mail it works for that too.
Honestly Curious

Little Rock, AR

#15 Feb 4, 2013
Tin-man wrote:
If you would read His word you would already know the answer to your question. The Lord will reveal himself to everyone on earth. Even them tribes in Africa that no one even knows exist.
I've been reading his word my entire life and have been raised in church. It just raises more questions. Like what does it mean in Genesis when it said,"the Gods came down from the heavens." That part confused me. I have an open mind and heart.

"gregg taylor | 1 hr ago
People like that will have another chance during the millnuem or thousand year rule of JESUS on earth, just like he went to sheol and preached to the captives before his time to lead them out at his resurrection.Don't listen to other people for they will lead you straight to hell, read the WORD and let the SPIRIT guide you and you will understand."

Thanks for the info I've never heard that before. I'll read into it further. That seems better.
Honestly Curious

Little Rock, AR

#16 Feb 4, 2013
Thanks for your thoughts Mr Steward. I've read up on the one year reign but still don't fully understand it all
Tin-man

Searcy, AR

#17 Feb 4, 2013
Honestly Curious wrote:
It's okay you are entitled to your own opinion and I really appreciate you for sharing it. Thanks for your input.
I wanna believe in God more than anything it's just these questions like this and the whole mindset of most churches around here make it really difficult.
I've came to believe there is some sort if higher power based on how astounding the universe is. There is so much beauty out there and just the very idea of life is astounding. I'm just having a hard time with the Christian faith right now which is killing me because I feel like I'm letting my family, friends, and so many others down. I'm trying I really am. I stopped going to church because of criticism from people for supporting Obama and standing for separation of church and state. I was called a hypocrite because I thought gays should have the right to marry and I think Inipendance county should be allowed to sell alcohol. I just felt like they looked down on my for my political beliefs and it really deep down bothered me. There was one man who said, "I don't see how anyone can be a Christian and vote for Obama. Do all things for the glory of Christ." There was so much of that attitude and it just bothered me because I wanna believe but I just feel it in my heart something isn't right..


You are in a very good place. God is calling you and you recognize it and chose not to ignore that emptiness. If you cry out to God He will reveal to you the way to go. God bless you
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#18 Feb 4, 2013
Your very welcome. It's always good to ask questions and the internet is full many good resources on just about every biblical topic both from believers and non-believers alike I encourage you to read and question everything from multiple positions until to come to terms with an answer you can accept 9 out of 10 times google will bring them up by just typing any kind of question you have into the search. especially if you put the book and verse into the search.
Honestly Curious

Oklahoma City, OK

#20 Feb 4, 2013
Another thing is everybody seems to take things from the word differently. Baptists believe one thing, Church of God another, then you have Catholics and I can go on and on.

Jehova's Witnesses believe only so many people get to heaven. Doesn't seem right to me based on what I know of the word

Mormans like Romney really confuse me.

Methodists seem to be better because they have a more love based practice but I've went to church to one and they were all about tradition and the act instead of the substance of the service.

Pentecostals say you have to dress a certain way and they act like God speaks to them through speaking through tongues which I just think is a little far fetched.

Catholics are all about the pomp and circumstance and I don't know how I feel about all of it. It just seems like a show to me,

Church of Christ says you can lose your salvation which doesn't really match up with the Bible.

I was raised in Baptist churches and the people there bothered me. Some of them thought 911 was and other disasters were almost punishments from God and a sign of the end times. They said everything was a part of God's plan which seemed very self centered. And they don't allow women preachers which is weird.

It's like everyone tells me something different
Terry Steward

Kemp, TX

#21 Feb 4, 2013
How about how god is supposed to be all-knowing and yet is surprised by Adam and Eve with the whole clothes/ knowledge of good and evil thing or how Abraham lied about his wife to the pharaoh and god didn't realize until after he had punished the pharaoh and he was all like why did you lie to me Abraham? both of these are in genesis by the way.

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