Transgender Teacher Debate Continues In Batavia

A parent of a student in Batavia High School remains unhappy about the presence of a transgender teacher in the classroom WBEN's Steve Cichon reports the parent, who is also a Baptist pastor, is considering ... Full Story
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Paige

Canandaigua, NY

#1 Sep 19, 2006
God Bless Pastor Shirk!
Rikki S

Florence, CO

#2 Sep 19, 2006
Why don't you folks just let the science teacher teach??? You, the parents, the supposed adults in this matter, are the ones making the stir. Do you really think that someone like her, who is under unimaginable scrutiny, could or would ever be put in a situation to jeopardize her job??

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#3 Jan 5, 2007
I am still waiting for an update on this situation that was painted be few as abhorrent. Looks like with the lack of press, everything must be working out okay! Congrats to the new lady science teacher at Batavia!!
A real woman

AOL

#4 Mar 27, 2007
Rikki S wrote:
I am still waiting for an update on this situation that was painted be few as abhorrent. Looks like with the lack of press, everything must be working out okay! Congrats to the new lady science teacher at Batavia!!
People should speak up against this teacher. It is not a normal lifestyle. Rikki, if you felt you were a donkey, would you act like one because that's what you feel? I know you can not help yourself. I am repulsed by transgender. Some things should be kept "in the closet" excuse the pun.

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#5 Mar 27, 2007
A real woman wrote:
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People should speak up against this teacher. It is not a normal lifestyle. Rikki, if you felt you were a donkey, would you act like one because that's what you feel? I know you can not help yourself. I am repulsed by transgender. Some things should be kept "in the closet" excuse the pun.
Sex and gender are not as black and white as you seem to think. I would love to engage you in some intelligent conversation about it, show you the science behind it (not the emotions that seem to run so rampant) and educate you. Please do some homework on this subject before you open your mouth on a something you know nothing about. I am repulsed by stupid and ignorant people, but I fight that through education and logic, not emotions.

Since: Mar 07

AOL

#6 Mar 29, 2007
Since when is stating my opinion just as you did, asking to be educated? Most of the time educated people are lacking in common sense and show how stupid they are when they open their mouths. Don't suggest I do my homework, until you've done yours if you think sex and gender are not black and white. Are you "hiding" in the closest? If so, please stay there.

“dyssonance hotmail”

Since: Mar 07

Phoenix, AZ

#7 Mar 29, 2007
A real woman wrote:
Since when is stating my opinion just as you did, asking to be educated? Most of the time educated people are lacking in common sense and show how stupid they are when they open their mouths. Don't suggest I do my homework, until you've done yours if you think sex and gender are not black and white. Are you "hiding" in the closest? If so, please stay there.
Sex and gender aren't black and white, though.

Seriously.

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#8 Mar 29, 2007
A real woman wrote:
Since when is stating my opinion just as you did, asking to be educated? Most of the time educated people are lacking in common sense and show how stupid they are when they open their mouths. Don't suggest I do my homework, until you've done yours if you think sex and gender are not black and white. Are you "hiding" in the closest? If so, please stay there.
I will stand by my earlier point that you need to do your homework on this issue and that sex/gender is not black and white. I am a Registered Nurse and have studied this subject extensively. In fact, I have taught, on the college level, the differences in sex/gender, so mine is not an opinion, but based on scientific fact. Yes, the "normal" is man and woman, XY and XX chromosomes, but there exists XXY, XYY, XXXY, XO........ There also exists intersexed, those individuals who are born with no predominant outward sexual organs or both or neither. There are also people born with one sex predominant outward, but the other sex organs not visible such as Stella Walsh, a very succesful female sprinter from the 1930'3 and 1940's who was found to have undescended testes when she died. The list goes on and on, so YES, sex and gender are NOT black and white as you may believe, or want, them to be.

NO, I am NOT "hiding" in the closet. I am very openly transgendered, still very happily married to the woman I married almost 31 years ago, three very accepting adult children and their families, a very accepting employer with everyone from the janitorial staff to the CEO being supportive. I do the same job that I have done for the last almost 20 years, Emergency Room RN and, I might add, I do it VERY well.
A Real Woman

AOL

#9 Mar 29, 2007
Rikki

I am very happy your adjusted, married and productive. Honestly I am. I had a feeling you were defensive because of a "lifestyle." I also knew you were educated. I am glad your adult children are accepting of you. I still feel the way I do and will always, without doing my homework so to speak. Signing off with no hate in my heart! Just a different view than most.

Since: Jan 07

Princeton, NJ

#10 Mar 29, 2007
A real woman wrote:
People should speak up against this teacher. It is not a normal lifestyle. Rikki, if you felt you were a donkey, would you act like one because that's what you feel? I know you can not help yourself. I am repulsed by transgender. Some things should be kept "in the closet" excuse the pun.
Hi "real woman". Personally, I completely support your decision to behave like an a s s. It doesn't mean you have to criticize others for not enjoying your personal lifestyle choice.

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#11 Mar 29, 2007
A Real Woman wrote:
Rikki
I am very happy your adjusted, married and productive. Honestly I am. I had a feeling you were defensive because of a "lifestyle." I also knew you were educated. I am glad your adult children are accepting of you. I still feel the way I do and will always, without doing my homework so to speak. Signing off with no hate in my heart! Just a different view than most.
I don't beleive my response was at all defensive. It was trying to give factual information where emotions were used for justification. Nothing wrong with having emotions but you should base them on some sort of fact. One of the exercises that I use in the classes to teach emotional response, tolerance, etc is to show a slide of different food from around the world (Snails, bugs, octopus, frogs, etc) and ask about the response to these. Invariably there are the "oooooo, yuck" to some of them despite the fact that they had never even tried or tasted the item. They had developed their distate for this food from a perception, not from reality. The same goes for this issue. You have made a statement based on emotion despite the fact that credible research will back the fact that trans is real and has a physical cause. That is why I have asked you to do some study on the issue. Knowledge is a powerful thing!
sassy

United States

#12 Mar 30, 2007
A Real Woman wrote:
Rikki
I am very happy your adjusted, married and productive. Honestly I am. I had a feeling you were defensive because of a "lifestyle." I also knew you were educated. I am glad your adult children are accepting of you. I still feel the way I do and will always, without doing my homework so to speak. Signing off with no hate in my heart! Just a different view than most.
Go real woman...your standing up for what you believe in , Its your option..just as these people can express theres.. but I think thrishious is a transgender also
A Real Woman

AOL

#13 Mar 30, 2007
Trishious wrote:
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Hi "real woman". Personally, I completely support your decision to behave like an a s s. It doesn't mean you have to criticize others for not enjoying your personal lifestyle choice.
It takes an ASS to know one........I did not ask or even hint for your support to my opinion! That's all it is, my opinion!!! Which I am entitled to! Why should it bother you, unless your a transgender? What does "enjoying" a lifestyle have to do with it? I bet rapist's enjoy raping, murderers, murdering. But that's not right. Or do you also think because they might enjoy it, they should be allowed to do it? As long as it doesn't hurt YOU right? But when your a man dressing as a women, your not hurting anyone directly, right? Or are you? I have a right to speak my opinion, and will always be against the act of homo anything, including transgender. Not the person, just the act.

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#14 Mar 30, 2007
You are comparing apples to oranges here. Rapists force their victims to have sex in order to dominate. Murders kill for a variety of reasons, but both of these types of people force violent acts on innocent people. Being trans does not force any violent act on anyone. I would even bet you that if you came to the hospital where I work and I were your nurse, you would not even suspect my gender despite VERY close contact and conversation. That is the same thing in Batavia. The only ones making it a problem are those who don't understand it. Those who say it will create a problem are the ones making it a problem. I bet this teacher has taught all year without any major incidents related to her gender. She is like me, we just want to live our lives and do our jobs. How does that affect you?

Since: Jan 07

Princeton, NJ

#15 Mar 30, 2007
A Real Woman wrote:
It takes an ASS to know one........I did not ask or even hint for your support to my opinion! That's all it is, my opinion!!! Which I am entitled to! Why should it bother you, unless your a transgender? What does "enjoying" a lifestyle have to do with it? I bet rapist's enjoy raping, murderers, murdering. But that's not right. Or do you also think because they might enjoy it, they should be allowed to do it? As long as it doesn't hurt YOU right? But when your a man dressing as a women, your not hurting anyone directly, right? Or are you? I have a right to speak my opinion, and will always be against the act of homo anything, including transgender. Not the person, just the act.
Excuse me? What "act" are you talking about?

You've got your homophobia confused with your transphobia. See, rightwing bigots are supposed to talk about "the act" with gay and lesbian people, and say they hhate the sin not the sinner. There is no "act" here. It isn't about sex.

Yes, I'm a transgender person. Yes, that's why it bothers me. And you're the one who brought up acting like a donkey, not me.

Why are you on the transgendered forums on Topix? This isn't a place to debate our lives. It's a place for trans people to discuss news stories that affect us.

Anyway, Rikki is much more calm in this so you better talk with her instead.

“dyssonance hotmail”

Since: Mar 07

Phoenix, AZ

#16 Mar 30, 2007
A Real Woman wrote:
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It takes an ASS to know one........I did not ask or even hint for your support to my opinion! That's all it is, my opinion!!! Which I am entitled to! Why should it bother you, unless your a transgender? What does "enjoying" a lifestyle have to do with it? I bet rapist's enjoy raping, murderers, murdering. But that's not right. Or do you also think because they might enjoy it, they should be allowed to do it? As long as it doesn't hurt YOU right? But when your a man dressing as a women, your not hurting anyone directly, right? Or are you? I have a right to speak my opinion, and will always be against the act of homo anything, including transgender. Not the person, just the act.
Note that trans does not equal homo anything.

You do have the right to speak your opinion. And stand up for it.

Just remember than when you are rude and impolite and inaccurate or incorrect, people are going to, well, sorta point those things out to you.
really frustrated

United States

#17 Mar 30, 2007
if she was supposed to be a women she would have been born one. the almighty does not make mistakes, plain and simple.
really frustrated

United States

#18 Mar 30, 2007
go real woman!!!!!!
A Real Woman

AOL

#19 Mar 30, 2007
really frustrated wrote:
if she was supposed to be a women she would have been born one. the almighty does not make mistakes, plain and simple.
Here, here!!!
really frustrated

United States

#20 Mar 30, 2007
you go real woman!!!!!. but be polite!!!

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