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Dave P

Lexington, KY

#61 Jun 3, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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It is ridiculous how you tie an event to you doctrine. The breaking of bread did not reveal Jesus. Jesus revealed it to them by his spoken words. What did they believe? it was not that the bread and wine was to become the body and blood of Christ.
The subject at hand was that as a result of Christs resurrection they finally truly believed that he was indeed the Christ-then they remembered what Jesus had said at the last supper that he would die and become the passover lamb. The passover lambs were never raised from the dead but Jesus was. It is all about Jesus being the lamb of God whose blood is shed for the forgiveness of sin. It is our sins that is responsible for the death of Jesus-it is for our forgiveness that he died. His death and shed blood would mean nothing without his Resurrection.
Mike's use of that scripture sounds like something Alexander Campbell said one time. Think he called that instance the Lord's Supper too. Think Campbell was wrong on that one.

Nothing new though-Campbell wouldn't even be allowed in a coc if he was alive today.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#62 Jun 4, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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It is ridiculous how you tie an event to you doctrine. The breaking of bread did not reveal Jesus. Jesus revealed it to them by his spoken words. What did they believe? it was not that the bread and wine was to become the body and blood of Christ.
The subject at hand was that as a result of Christs resurrection they finally truly believed that he was indeed the Christ-then they remembered what Jesus had said at the last supper that he would die and become the passover lamb. The passover lambs were never raised from the dead but Jesus was. It is all about Jesus being the lamb of God whose blood is shed for the forgiveness of sin. It is our sins that is responsible for the death of Jesus-it is for our forgiveness that he died. His death and shed blood would mean nothing without his Resurrection.
Exactly. He had been resurrected. They had been with him when he was alive and did not recognize him even when he preached to them
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And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them.
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With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him, but he vanished from their sight.

We were not with him. We did not know him. How are we to know him.

He did not tell them to read scripture to know him.

By the breaking of the bread. Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#63 Jun 4, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
The Jews knew that He was speaking literally. Jn 6:52 "How can this man give us his Flesh to eat?" On other occasions when our Lord spoke of Himself as a Jn 10:9 "door" or a Jn 15:1 "vine," nobody said, "How can this man be made of wood?" or "How can this man be a plant?" They recognized these as metaphors. But when Jesus insisted, Jn 6:53 "Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of man and drink His Blood, you have no life in you; he who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood has eternal life." The Jews who heard this said, Jn 6:60 "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?" They remembered God's command to Noah and all mankind, Gn 9:4 "Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood." God spoke more forcefully to His chosen people. Lv 17:10 "I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people." It was only after Christ's redemptive sacrifice and the Holy Spirit's enlightenment that the Apostles saw the full meaning of our Father's next words. Lv 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it for you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life." In the Old Covenant our Father in heaven had commanded His children not to eat the blood of animals because we are not to participate in the life of animals. Animals, having no immortal souls, are lower than man in the order of created nature. However, in the New and Everlasting Covenant we consume the Blood of Christ to participate in Christ's eternal life.
The three Gospel narratives of the Last Supper are absolutely consistent. Matthew: 26:26 "This is My Body." 26:27 "This is My Blood…" Mark: 14:22 "This is My Body." 14:24 "This is My Blood…" Luke: 22:19 "This is My Body." 22:20 "This … is the New Covenant in My Blood." Jesus' next words instituted the Catholic priesthood: Lk 22:19 "Do this in remembrance of Me."
Pay close attention to the last sentences of this paragraph
Jesus is spiritually present in the wine. When the afikomen is broken and passed around for all to eat, Jews drink the third of four cups of wine, called the cup of blessing because it represents the blood of the sacrificed paschal lamb. It is the cup that Jesus gave to His apostles, saying, Lk 22:20 "This cup which is poured out for you is the New Covenant in My Blood." He did not drink the fourth, the Kalah cup, explaining, Mt 26:29 "I tell you I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom." But later that evening at Gethsemane, Jesus prayed by moonlight, Mt 26:39 "Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me." After He was captured, Jesus asked Peter, Jn 18:11 "Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given Me?" Many Catholics believe that Jesus drank the last cup on the Cross, Jn 19:29 "They put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to His mouth. When Jesus had received the vinegar, He said,'It is finished'; and He bowed His head and gave up His spirit."
The other gospels don't say the same thing, but that He refused the vinegar. Mark says He refused it? I've heard some speak that Jesus, on the cross, was under a Nazarite vow. Who knows? The fact is that He quoted a Psalm opening line on the cross, but it seems few take the time to read the Psalm and know that God did not abandon Him. From all appearances it seems He did to those who mocked Him by saying 'come down from the cross' and such.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#64 Jun 4, 2013
How do we hear Him today if it is not through the records the Holy Spirit enabled the disciples to record what He taught and preached and promised?

Can't we know Him today by abiding in His word?

John 8: 31,32; "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

John 15:9-15; "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing, but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you."

John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words, and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me."
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#65 Jun 4, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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The other gospels don't say the same thing, but that He refused the vinegar. Mark says He refused it? I've heard some speak that Jesus, on the cross, was under a Nazarite vow. Who knows? The fact is that He quoted a Psalm opening line on the cross, but it seems few take the time to read the Psalm and know that God did not abandon Him. From all appearances it seems He did to those who mocked Him by saying 'come down from the cross' and such.
Matthew says wine mixed with gall while Mark says wine drugged with Myrrh. Gall was bitter while Myrrh is sweet and is a narcotic. Both state that Jesus was offered wine before he was cricified and that he refused to drink it. they gave Jesus wine to drink mixed with gall. But when he had tasted it, he refused to drink.(Matthew 27:34)

They gave him wine drugged with myrrh, but he did not take it.(Mark 15:23)

Jesus' refusal to drink wine prior to being crucified is consistent with his statement at the last supper as recorded in by Luke: that he would not drink wine again until the Kingdom of God comes.
He said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer, for, I tell you, I shall not eat it (again) until there is fulfillment in the kingdom of God." Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and said, "Take this and share it among yourselves; for I tell you (that) from this time on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes." (Luke 22:15-18)

Both John and Luke however, state that Jesus took wine while actually being crucified, shortly before his moment of death.
Even the soldiers jeered at him. As they approached to offer him wine they called out, "If you are King of the Jews, save yourself." (Luke 23:36-37)

After this, aware that everything was now finished, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I thirst." There was a vessel filled with common wine. So they put a sponge soaked in wine on a sprig of hyssop and put it up to his mouth. When Jesus had taken the wine, he said, "It is finished." And bowing his head, he handed over the spirit.(John 19:28-30)

While Luke does not specifically state that Jesus took the wine, only that he was offered, John is careful to note the fact that drinking wine was Jesus' last act before saying "It is finished" and dying, and not only that, but that Jesus seems to have requested the wine himself. Jesus stated that he would not drink wine again until "The kingdom of God comes" and John's statement that Jesus took wine and said, "It is finished" is (to me at least) an indication that God's kingdom had come with Jesus crucifixtion. I think this is what St. John was getting at. I find putting these pieces of the puzzle together extremely interesting,

The whole subject of wine, Jesus' statement that he will not drink wine or eat the passover until the kingdom of God had come, and his taking wine in the very moment before his death, has a Eucharistic quality to it. With Jesus' death, the kingdom of God had come, and now we could celebrate the Eucharist, and Jesus would eat the passover and drink the cup with us.

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