Steven Haguewood vs THE WORD of KNOW...

Since: Apr 14

United States

#162 Apr 29, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
Do you realize you worship a book? A book. Geeeeze
I realize this was not directed to me specifically, but indirectly it is.

I do not worship a book. I worship the one true and living God. God chose the medium of written language to make His will known. It is not the book, the ink, or the pages I revere. It is the word of God as recorded for all of us. It is the same for everyone.

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
KJV

God's word is truth regardless of how it is communicated.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Since: Apr 14

United States

#163 Apr 29, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>The bible was preserved by the will of God by the means he chose, in times he used even donkeys to bring about his truth.:)
True

Numbers 22:28
"Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey..."

Since: Sep 13

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#164 Apr 29, 2014
David Hersey wrote:
<quoted text>
I realize this was not directed to me specifically, but indirectly it is.
I do not worship a book. I worship the one true and living God. God chose the medium of written language to make His will known. It is not the book, the ink, or the pages I revere. It is the word of God as recorded for all of us. It is the same for everyone.
John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
KJV
God's word is truth regardless of how it is communicated.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Sure it is the book. You always quote KJV. It must be the true interpretation. You worship a book.

Jesus never mentioned the medium of a book or any NT writing.

Is the Bible necessary for salvation?

Since: Apr 14

United States

#165 Apr 29, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure it is the book. You always quote KJV. It must be the true interpretation. You worship a book.
Jesus never mentioned the medium of a book or any NT writing.
Is the Bible necessary for salvation?
The quote in my last post was from the ESV. not the KJV. I use several versions.

Jesus said:

Matthew 21:42
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures
Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures
Matthew 26:54
But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
Matthew 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
Mark 14:49
I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled.

Jesus most certainly referenced the written word, and authenticated it.

It would be a little difficult for Him to personally reference the New Testament in view of the fact that He was killed before it was written. A little common sense would seem to be in order here.

Is the Bible necessary for salvation?

2 Timothy 3:15
and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

The word of God is necessary. The Bible is the written record of His will for mankind.

Since: Sep 13

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#166 Apr 29, 2014
David Hersey wrote:
<quoted text>The quote in my last post was from the ESV. not the KJV. I use several versions.

Jesus said:

Matthew 21:42
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures
Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures
Matthew 26:54
But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
Matthew 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
Mark 14:49
I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled.

Jesus most certainly referenced the written word, and authenticated it.

It would be a little difficult for Him to personally reference the New Testament in view of the fact that He was killed before it was written. A little common sense would seem to be in order here.

Is the Bible necessary for salvation?

2 Timothy 3:15
and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

The word of God is necessary. The Bible is the written record of His will for mankind.
Since you think the Bible is necessary for salvation, then why did God wait for 350 years to create it.

Also, why did god only teach 10% of the people to read for 1400 years.

Pretty stupid of God don't you think?

Since: Apr 14

United States

#167 Apr 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you think the Bible is necessary for salvation, then why did God wait for 350 years to create it.
The scriptures were written in the first century. They obviously predate the Bible as it is compiled today or it wouldn't exist. The Bible was compiled out from scripture that was already in existence.

Since: Apr 14

United States

#168 Apr 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
Also, why did god only teach 10% of the people to read for 1400 years.
When the Roman Catholic church ascended in power, they suppressed education to the common people. They had the scriptures translated into Latin so that they could not be read by uneducated people.

And you err greatly if you think the church of Christ did not exist during that time. It did and it has been in existence continuously throughout the dark ages. There has never been a time since the church was established that it has not been in existence on earth. The Roman Catholic church tried to eradicate it but were unsuccessful.

Since: May 10

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#169 Apr 30, 2014
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
Are you trying to deliver David Hersey
out of the trouble he has gotten himself into?
So now you want my opinion?:) your funny

Since: May 10

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#170 Apr 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Who taught you what the truth is?
We all know books can't teach. Look at the millions of teaches in schools around the world
Just give them a book.
Do you realize you worship a book? A book. Geeeeze
Hey I know one thing. The book your group claims to have put together tells me not to worship a pope. No wonder you dont like that book.

Since: Apr 14

United States

#171 Apr 30, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Hey I know one thing. The book your group claims to have put together tells me not to worship a pope. No wonder you dont like that book.
This is remark is true on many levels.

We are not to call any man on earth "Father" after our spiritual father:

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

The Pope claims to be a mediator of God. The Bible says there is only one.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The Pope is a man. We are told by Christ Himself that the doctrines of man render our worship vain:

Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

When I die, I will judged by God's word (John 12:48). Not by what the pope says. And the Pope won't be there to intercede on my behalf. God isn't going to judge me based on what the pope said. He's going to hold me accountable to what Jesus said. And we have what He said recorded for us in scripture.

I don't need a pope. I have the word of God and I have Christ as my mediator.

Since: Sep 13

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#172 Apr 30, 2014
David Hersey wrote:
<quoted text>The scriptures were written in the first century. They obviously predate the Bible as it is compiled today or it wouldn't exist. The Bible was compiled out from scripture that was already in existence.
Goodness gracious. You have no clue. There were hundreds of scriptures being circulated in the Churches. No one location hAd all some had a few only.

A decision had to be made which ones were belonged in the Bible.

You are scared to know the truth. The Catholic Church voted on the Bible

You have accepted what they decided.

Why don't you study some history.

What you believe was invented by some men in the 1800s.

Don't be protester all your life. It is the kingdom of God not a democracy. You can't decide on your own whAt is the truth.

We are are all sheep. You want to be a shepherd to yourself.

Since: Apr 14

United States

#173 Apr 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
You want to be a shepherd to yourself.
Sincere question for you.

If someone uses only the scriptures and lives according to the teachings of the new testament, will they be saved?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

Helotes, TX

#174 Apr 30, 2014
David Hersey wrote:
<quoted text>
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God
KJV
what does it say?
Is everything written in the Bible, scripture?

Yes or no?

If you can't answer this question or don't,

You should not be quoting verses from the bible
you do not believe your own self.

Since: Apr 14

United States

#175 May 1, 2014
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Is everything written in the Bible, scripture?
Yes or no?
If you can't answer this question or don't,
You should not be quoting verses from the bible
you do not believe your own self.
2 Tim 3:16

that's your answer.

Since: Sep 13

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#176 May 1, 2014
David Hersey wrote:
<quoted text>
Sincere question for you.
If someone uses only the scriptures and lives according to the teachings of the new testament, will they be saved?
They can be saved. If they were to understand what the scriptures really mean they would be a member of the Catholic Church and have the sacraments necessary to be saved.

Jesus created a Church, not a book. He would have been cruel and stupid God to create a book that would be authority on salvation matters.

Why? Because only 10% of the people could read for 1500 years and the Bibles were available until after AD 400 and they were hand copied by monks in monasteries and they took years to create 1 Bible and a flock of sheep to use their skins.

And people would have to decide the way to salvation on their own. How is that working out for the protesters?

It is truly bizarre that people that Jesus would leave a book when he never mentions a book one time in his life. If you want to follow the scriptures like Jesus then you would only use the OT.

The Church is there to bind and loosen and forgive sins or not. Whoever hears the Church hears Jesus, There was only 1 Church for 1500 years. It is where the people could come and eat the body and drink the blood of Christ just as Jesus told us to.

The Church is the longest surviving organization in the history of the world. It has fed, clothed , housed , educated more people than any other organization in the world and continues to do that. How would that be possible without Jesus.

Prophet of Jesus Christ

Helotes, TX

#177 May 1, 2014
David Hersey wrote:
<quoted text>
2 Tim 3:16
that's your answer.
Do you believe 2 Tim 3:16 is a lie?
Yes or no?

Since: Apr 14

Gibson, GA

#178 May 4, 2014
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you believe 2 Tim 3:16 is a lie?
Yes or no?
John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
KJV

Since: Apr 14

Gibson, GA

#179 May 4, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
They can be saved. If they were to understand what the scriptures really mean they would be a member of the Catholic Church and have the sacraments necessary to be saved.
Jesus created a Church, not a book. He would have been cruel and stupid God to create a book that would be authority on salvation matters.
Why? Because only 10% of the people could read for 1500 years and the Bibles were available until after AD 400 and they were hand copied by monks in monasteries and they took years to create 1 Bible and a flock of sheep to use their skins.
And people would have to decide the way to salvation on their own. How is that working out for the protesters?
It is truly bizarre that people that Jesus would leave a book when he never mentions a book one time in his life. If you want to follow the scriptures like Jesus then you would only use the OT.
The Church is there to bind and loosen and forgive sins or not. Whoever hears the Church hears Jesus, There was only 1 Church for 1500 years. It is where the people could come and eat the body and drink the blood of Christ just as Jesus told us to.
The Church is the longest surviving organization in the history of the world. It has fed, clothed , housed , educated more people than any other organization in the world and continues to do that. How would that be possible without Jesus.
So you are putting your faith in men, obeying men, following men and what they say is truth. I am going straight to the word of God and obeying what He said.
You cite the good that the Roman Catholic church has done in history. How about the bad? Are we going to just disregard that?
The crusades were military campaigns sanctioned by the Latin Roman Catholic Church.
The medieval and Spanish inquisitions were sanctions by the Roman Catholic church. Torture, burning at the stake, all kinds of atrocities committed on other people.
The corruption of the papacy is well documented.
No thanks. I'll just stick to the word of God. It claims to be sufficient. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Everything pertaining to a life of Godliness was delivered in the first century. 2 Peter 1:3
It was once delivered for all: Jude 3
It claims to be the truth. John 17:17
It's going to be used to judge us. John 12:48
And it forbids going beyond it or leaving anything out if it. 2 John 9, 1 Corinthians 4:6, Revelation 22:18-19
You cannot go wrong following the word of God.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

Helotes, TX

#180 May 4, 2014
David Hersey wrote:
<quoted text>
John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
KJV
Do you believe 2 Tim 3:16 is truth?
Yes or no?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

Helotes, TX

#181 May 4, 2014
David Hersey wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are putting your faith in men, obeying men, following men and what they say is truth. I am going straight to the word of God and obeying what He said.
You cite the good that the Roman Catholic church has done in history. How about the bad? Are we going to just disregard that?
The crusades were military campaigns sanctioned by the Latin Roman Catholic Church.
The medieval and Spanish inquisitions were sanctions by the Roman Catholic church. Torture, burning at the stake, all kinds of atrocities committed on other people.
The corruption of the papacy is well documented.
No thanks. I'll just stick to the word of God. It claims to be sufficient. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Everything pertaining to a life of Godliness was delivered in the first century. 2 Peter 1:3
It was once delivered for all: Jude 3
It claims to be the truth. John 17:17
It's going to be used to judge us. John 12:48
And it forbids going beyond it or leaving anything out if it. 2 John 9, 1 Corinthians 4:6, Revelation 22:18-19
You cannot go wrong following the word of God.
I do not follow the word of God. I follow the Spirit of God.

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