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#584 Jun 18, 2014
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>God has always used men to write his books except when he gave the 10 commandments to Moses-he wrote it with his own finger. The old testament was penned by scribes and God used men in the early days of Christianity to compile his words and put it into a book. Catholics cannot take credit for that. If a human whether they are an ordinary christian or a pastor, preacher, or priest were to lead someone to Christ or water baptize him/her that mere human can never take credit for saving anyone. God Uses men and women to do his will.

Mike be careful that you do not make God angry for taking credit for his work. Christ working in us, in us our hope of Glory.

Mike, for your sake I hope you get this straight in your life.

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing".
More avoidance. How was the first Bible created?

Do you have any interest in what is your authority even though Jesus the Christ never mentioned it.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#585 Jun 18, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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More avoidance. How was the first Bible created?
Do you have any interest in what is your authority even though Jesus the Christ never mentioned it.
My authority is the scripture and yours should be also! Christ in YOU- is your hope of glory. The church can't save you...

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#586 Jun 18, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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My authority is the scripture and yours should be also! Christ in YOU- is your hope of glory. The church can't save you...
Bobby . How was the first Bible created. It is okay if you say "I have no idea and you don't care".

How can a book be your authority? It is not the pillar and foundation of truth. It is profitable for teaching. In other words, somebody has to teach you.

If it was self teaching, there would be no protesters and we would all be as one as Jesus prayed.

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#587 Jun 24, 2014
Bobby wrote:
The CC believes everything in the Bible because she wrote it and created it.
Mike, I would like to use a stronger derogatory term than this: But that is baloney. If you believed everything in the scripture you could not possibly remain a catholic.
No they believe or they would obey the written word that claims not to follow a man (pope) Not to pray through Mary, Not to abstain from foods, not to forbid marriage etc etc etc.

The CC only says they believe the bible because if they dont say it they would lose all support from their mind altered followers. Now watch as one of them respond.

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#588 Jun 24, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Bobby . How was the first Bible created. It is okay if you say "I have no idea and you don't care".
How can a book be your authority? It is not the pillar and foundation of truth. It is profitable for teaching. In other words, somebody has to teach you.
If it was self teaching, there would be no protesters and we would all be as one as Jesus prayed.
Go ahead Mike and tell us in the context of the writting you quote what that phrase pillar and foundation of truth means. Please dont leave anything out. Tell us by what authority you will go past the written word claiming pillar and foundation.

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#589 Jun 24, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Go ahead Mike and tell us in the context of the writting you quote what that phrase pillar and foundation of truth means. Please dont leave anything out. Tell us by what authority you will go past the written word claiming pillar and foundation.
The Church existed before NT scripture didn't it? The Church existed 350 years before the canon of the Bible was decided.

Millions were saved in those 350 years. Without a Bible.

What is the pillar and foundation of Truth?

To be deep in history in to cease being Protestant.
Dave P

Grayson, KY

#590 Jun 25, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Just as I thought pasted from another document you created yet not from the bible since it is wrong.:)
JC why did you waste your time on this one when coc and catholic theology of end times are basically the same? The views from the CCC Mike posted of the millennium are no different from what 98% of the coc believes. Yet its wrong.

Baloney.
Dave P

Grayson, KY

#591 Jun 25, 2014
William wrote:
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You won't find the sermon on the mount preached by Paul anywhere in his 13 epistles because that sermon was to Israel, not us. Look at Matthew 10:5-7 and Matthew 15:24 to see exactly who Jesus came to preach to, and who he sent the 12 to go and preach to about an earthly kingdom. Yet we are destined for heaven, not any earthly inheritance.
"The meek shall inherit the earth..."
vs.
"Seated with Christ in the heavenlies..."
Things that are different are never the same thing.
From the start to the end this post is simply heretical. In the ultra dispensational position, there is basically nothing Christ said that means anything to us. Its all Paul.

If the sermon on the mount means nothing today for us, the entire Bible is useless. Forget Jesus and me, that is Paul and no one else.

I've firsthand witnessed this blasphemy before. From good men. But its still blasphemy.

Most here won't agree with Mike even when he is right. But then others get a pass when they are out of bounds? Why, because they disagree with Mike too?

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#592 Jun 25, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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My authority is the scripture and yours should be also! Christ in YOU- is your hope of glory. The church can't save you...
Scripture can't save you. Only Jesus. Did Jesus leave us a book. Of course not. It is not in scripture.

Jesus left us men to teach us. God throughout history has had men on earth to lead us.. Abraham, Moses, David Isaac,, etc ,etc, etc,

What did Jesus say about this authority/ Do what the Pharisees say but don't do what they do. They were sinners but they taught correctly.

That plan never changed after Jesus physically left us.

A book cannot have authority. It was written byr Christians to Christians. Find out who the Christians were at that time.. History shows this clearly.

All Christians for 1500 years were Catholic.. You can deny that all you want but just like we went to moon, just like George Washington was the first elected President, the first Christians were Catholic.

High end protestants admit to this but think Jesus failed. Low end protestants just believe whatever they want.

They then fit the scriptures, a Catholic book, to match up with what they personally believe. That is what Sola Scriptura really means.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#593 Jun 25, 2014
Scripture can't save you. Only Jesus. Did Jesus leave us a book. Of course not. It is not in scripture.

Jesus left us men to teach us. God throughout history has had men on earth to lead us.. Abraham, Moses, David Isaac,, etc ,etc, etc,

Mike you amaze me at how far you will go to discredit a book you claim to own the copyright to. You make it sound like you wish the bible did not exist-shame on you! Your fight is no so much against me but the scripture I use.

"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15).
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#594 Jun 25, 2014
A book cannot have authority. It was written byr Christians to Christians. Find out who the Christians were at that time.. History shows this clearly.

Mike the bible contains the holy scripture-it is not an ordinary book -it is a compilation of the HOLY scripture. God has always partnered with men to promote his cause. If you love God then you should respect his word. Why are you fighting against God?

I think I know why. It is the only way you can get us to pay attention to the catholic tradition and thus lift it above the scripture. I am not buying into that!

If you held the scripture in high esteem we might have a chance of getting along.

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#595 Jun 25, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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The Church existed before NT scripture didn't it? The Church existed 350 years before the canon of the Bible was decided.
Millions were saved in those 350 years. Without a Bible.
What is the pillar and foundation of Truth?
To be deep in history in to cease being Protestant.
Since the Church as you claim existed far before the bible was written wonder why the Catholic church is not listed. Since it is not why do you get to name it the Catholic church instead of Christs church? Why the church existed prior to the writtings then were the Pope and the system you worship not found in those writtings? Was the pillar and foundation of truth not doing the things your group does. You hung out to dry on this one. Your Church was added after the writings or if they were there prior to they would have listed themselves.

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#596 Jun 25, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Since the Church as you claim existed far before the bible was written wonder why the Catholic church is not listed. Since it is not why do you get to name it the Catholic church instead of Christs church? Why the church existed prior to the writtings then were the Pope and the system you worship not found in those writtings? Was the pillar and foundation of truth not doing the things your group does. You hung out to dry on this one. Your Church was added after the writings or if they were there prior to they would have listed themselves.
Show me the word Bible in the scriptures and the list of books that should be in the NT.

It seems like if a book would be the sole source of everything you need to know to get yourself to heaven, it seems Jesus would have mentioned it.

'You hung out to dry on this one'

You are very lacking in education if you think the Bible was created before the Church. It is kinda sad you don't know the history of the Bible.

To be deep in history is to cease being protestant.

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#597 Jun 26, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Show me the word Bible in the scriptures and the list of books that should be in the NT.
It seems like if a book would be the sole source of everything you need to know to get yourself to heaven, it seems Jesus would have mentioned it.
'You hung out to dry on this one'
You are very lacking in education if you think the Bible was created before the Church. It is kinda sad you don't know the history of the Bible.
To be deep in history is to cease being protestant.
Speaking of Hung out to dry your group that wrote the bible doesnt list yourself does list your doctrine doesnt list your pope as Lord, doesnt List Mary to pray to. hmmm now I understand why you dont like the book you wrote.:)

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