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Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#61 Apr 21, 2013
Bobby: "What is the greatest commandment "love God and second love your neighbor as you love yourself". Living for God becomes a new lifestyle not another system of laws/rules."

Yes, and not only that, He has told us what His will is for our lives. He has told and shown us what is good and pleasing in His sight. What we need to be careful of is following those things instead of imagining what we think is good in our own heart or mind and following after our own heart instead of what He has told us.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#62 Apr 21, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Bobby: "What is the greatest commandment "love God and second love your neighbor as you love yourself". Living for God becomes a new lifestyle not another system of laws/rules."
Yes, and not only that, He has told us what His will is for our lives. He has told and shown us what is good and pleasing in His sight. What we need to be careful of is following those things instead of imagining what we think is good in our own heart or mind and following after our own heart instead of what He has told us.
Our bible study this morning will be on Deut 6:1-9. Leaving now-have a great day...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

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#63 Apr 22, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Wrong, I do not want to steer people away from the coc. I would rather see them come to a strong position on Grace rather than to wallow in legalism. Sometimes the discussions here are rabbit trails that lead no where. If anything I say or do causes you as a coc preacher or teacher to teach your congregation how to better walk in the grace of God, I feel I have made an impact. Legalism is like sour apples. I remember hearing a coc preacher say that the coc must have been raised on dill pickle juice because the were constantly looking for ways to condemn others.
So you are now going to start preaching grace and not mentioning coc any more correct?:)
New Guy

Morehead, KY

#64 Apr 22, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Wrong, I do not want to steer people away from the coc. I would rather see them come to a strong position on Grace rather than to wallow in legalism. Sometimes the discussions here are rabbit trails that lead no where. If anything I say or do causes you as a coc preacher or teacher to teach your congregation how to better walk in the grace of God, I feel I have made an impact. Legalism is like sour apples. I remember hearing a coc preacher say that the coc must have been raised on dill pickle juice because the were constantly looking for ways to condemn others.
Perhaps you are making an impact. All the conversations we all have here do make a difference, to me anyway. I have learned much from most everyone on here, except our prophet. As for the congregations, I am seeing that many of the people where I serve never really believed the old hardline stuff to begin with. I am thinking they showed a lot of grace to the former preachers and old timers to not cause a fuss about some of these issues.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#65 Apr 22, 2013
New Guy wrote:
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Perhaps you are making an impact. All the conversations we all have here do make a difference, to me anyway. I have learned much from most everyone on here, except our prophet. As for the congregations, I am seeing that many of the people where I serve never really believed the old hardline stuff to begin with. I am thinking they showed a lot of grace to the former preachers and old timers to not cause a fuss about some of these issues.
That sounds familiar. I have all kinds of stories about regular coc members. One in particular is that there is lots of conversation with members outside of the church where they talk about the legalism, but I only saw a very few who ever disrupted the services or the classes. The idea is that when we learn grace and it's freedom we cannot begin to do the same as those who practice it. As an example when we left the coc we never even mentioned that we had issues that could not be settled. We quietly left without a word. Now that i am no longer coc, I feel free to talk on this type of forum.

I am now friends with a former coc elder who is dating my family member who is coc, his wife died a few years ago, so he is not committing sin but can no longer be an elder. I see him regularly and we have great communication. He says it is nice to finally meet someone who sees the same things he has struggled with for years but was afraid to bring them up. He has recently visited a bible church in his area and says he can't help but be uncomfortable because he is not used the the instruments.
New Guy

Morehead, KY

#66 Apr 22, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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That sounds familiar. I have all kinds of stories about regular coc members. One in particular is that there is lots of conversation with members outside of the church where they talk about the legalism, but I only saw a very few who ever disrupted the services or the classes. The idea is that when we learn grace and it's freedom we cannot begin to do the same as those who practice it. As an example when we left the coc we never even mentioned that we had issues that could not be settled. We quietly left without a word. Now that i am no longer coc, I feel free to talk on this type of forum.
I am now friends with a former coc elder who is dating my family member who is coc, his wife died a few years ago, so he is not committing sin but can no longer be an elder. I see him regularly and we have great communication. He says it is nice to finally meet someone who sees the same things he has struggled with for years but was afraid to bring them up. He has recently visited a bible church in his area and says he can't help but be uncomfortable because he is not used the the instruments.
Can't blame your friend for being uncomfortable. Old habits die hard. Personally, I am starting to see things that I hadn't paid attention to before. Example-a few years ago one of my mentors made the statement that "people can't be faithful to the Lord without having a midweek Bible study or service". And another comment was about how weak congregations were that didn't have Sunday evening services. They weren't "real Christians". Perhaps I should have posted this in the traditions of men thread. But you get the point. I just am not seeing things the same way that everyone else does around here at home, or even like I myself used to.

BTW, did you realize that someone made a movie about Ed Fudge? It's called "Hell and Mr. Fudge". Been trying to find it on Netflix or Hulu but no luck yet.

I feel frustrated with "religion" at the moment. Religion and faith aren't the same. I'm sure you know what I mean. I look at what we are doing for "church" in general, and I just don't think this is what God intended for the church to be. Where's Seeking Wanderer when you need him lol?
The Whitehouse

Williamsburg, VA

#67 Apr 23, 2013
Brother a time is coming that religion will unite as a one world order. Give us 20 more years and things will be no more as they are today.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#68 Apr 23, 2013
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv

There seems to be a push for a one world religion based on John 17 misapplication - Mr. Howse rants on a bit too much for me, so I unsubscribed.

Just another example of the pot calling the kettle black, as he also doesn't really know the importance Jesus (Y'shua) put in/on His word/doctrine/teachings.

Yawn....
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#69 Apr 23, 2013
He said to make 'disciples' of Him -
not a group of people that claim the Name and deny the truth.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#70 Apr 23, 2013
The Whitehouse wrote:
Brother a time is coming that religion will unite as a one world order. Give us 20 more years and things will be no more as they are today.
It may take more than 20 years, but i think you may have a good point.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#71 Apr 23, 2013
I think the import of the message from Howse was that many Christians would join a false one world religion out of fear and a wrong interpretatioin of John 17 unity of the believers.

We'll see...
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#72 Apr 23, 2013
I have my doubts about the new world religion. If anything, the new world religion would be man worshipping self.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#73 Apr 23, 2013
New Guy wrote:
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Can't blame your friend for being uncomfortable. Old habits die hard. Personally, I am starting to see things that I hadn't paid attention to before. Example-a few years ago one of my mentors made the statement that "people can't be faithful to the Lord without having a midweek Bible study or service". And another comment was about how weak congregations were that didn't have Sunday evening services. They weren't "real Christians". Perhaps I should have posted this in the traditions of men thread. But you get the point. I just am not seeing things the same way that everyone else does around here at home, or even like I myself used to.
BTW, did you realize that someone made a movie about Ed Fudge? It's called "Hell and Mr. Fudge". Been trying to find it on Netflix or Hulu but no luck yet.
I feel frustrated with "religion" at the moment. Religion and faith aren't the same. I'm sure you know what I mean. I look at what we are doing for "church" in general, and I just don't think this is what God intended for the church to be. Where's Seeking Wanderer when you need him lol?
If you ever decide to take a leap of faith toward the coc grace camp, be prepared to get crucified. There are many grace centered coc churches out there with many people who will agree with me on that. They have to walk down the middle of the road with both sides upset with them. Many grace coc have been completely ostracized by the legalist ones. I do find it interesting how men Like Max lucado and Rick Atchley have two of the largest coc in the world but still struggle to keep the base happy. For instance Max lucado has Hired my Friend Randy Frazee to be the senior pastor. I know for sure that Randy does not believe in baptismal regeneration. He is a former Bible church pastor. Apparently that does not bother Lucado, but he has never taught against baptismal regeneration. I wonder what he really believes. As for me, I don't judge people on a salvation level on either side of the argument because water baptism is an important part of being a christian. The main issue I have is with the watering down of the gospel of Grace is at stake- when people have their hope and trust in their baptism rather than Christ who died for them.

Now that I am ex-coc (not ex-christian) I can be comfortable, saying what I actually believe rather than be a people pleaser- fearing ex-communication.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#74 Apr 23, 2013
Btw Dave, we just finished our new outdoor baptistry in our church. It is heated but in bad weather we will still do baptisms inside. Sometimes we have baptisms in our own homes using swimming pools-it is authorized by the church leadership.
New Guy

Morehead, KY

#75 Apr 23, 2013
Sometimes I think I can already see the nailprints in my hands lol. I think that other than our differing views on baptism I am already there. Most of the coc here are pretty close as well. Like I have said before, the hardliners aren't numerous here at all. Probably the last lingering doctrine is the Ezra 10 divorce idea, and it is dying off.

Outdoor bapistry-cool idea. We already do baptisms in swimming pools here, not much fuss about it. My baptism was in an indoor bapistry in July, but the filter and pump had quit. I smelled like swamp thing all night! Didn't care though.

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