Scouts lift ban on gays

May 24, 2013 Full story: Martinsville Bulletin 44

The Boy Scouts of America threw open its ranks Thursday to gay Scouts but not gay Scout leaders - a fiercely contested compromise that some warned could fracture the organization and lead to mass defections of members and donors.

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William

Opelika, AL

#1 May 24, 2013
Well I guess there will now be new badges to earn for interior decorating, flower arranging, and hair styling.

Disgusting move on their part.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#2 May 24, 2013
William wrote:
Well I guess there will now be new badges to earn for interior decorating, flower arranging, and hair styling.
Disgusting move on their part.
Your stereotyping is ridiculous and offensive.
William

Alexander City, AL

#3 May 24, 2013
Good. It was meant to be.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#4 Jun 12, 2013
Gay youth are admitted, but not gay leaders. They want to document who the gay children are so they can be sure not to let them grow up to lead the troop that taught them.

This is how society encourages people to hide their sexuality. No leader of scouts should act inappropriately towards children, but heterosexual men can be trusted and gay men cannot.

Still discriminatory.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#6 Jun 12, 2013
That is not true. Many heterosexual men have molested male children.

This argument against gay scout leaders supports a myth that is: being gay means that you molest children.

They would be more accurate to ban child molesters from scouts. Perhaps they could structure their activities so that leaders keep a check on one another so that NO ONE is having sexual activities during scout time. Then any person's sexual orientation wouldn't be any other person's concern.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#7 Jun 12, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
Gay youth are admitted, but not gay leaders. They want to document who the gay children are so they can be sure not to let them grow up to lead the troop that taught them.
This is how society encourages people to hide their sexuality. No leader of scouts should act inappropriately towards children, but heterosexual men can be trusted and gay men cannot.
Still discriminatory.
This is a serious question. I was a parent leader for a group in high school that centered on outdoors and camping. Of course there was a rule, girls in one tent, guys in another because of sexual attraction.

Should 2 homosexual boy scouts be allowed to stay in their own tent?

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#8 Jun 12, 2013
This sort of question would apply to any away from school activity - should 2 homosexual boys be allowed to share a hotel room?

Yes. They have been allowed to bunk together all this time - it would be your judgement of their sexuality that would suddenly prevent it.

NO sexual activity is allowed during school or scout functions - NONE.

Your theory of preventing homosexual behavior by banning the homosexuals is flawed. The only legitimate way of distinguishing a person's sexuality is to be told by that person - any other route for obtaining this information is hearsay. What you will be doing is allowing dishonest gay people to be treated like any other normal scout while honest gay teens will be singled out.

What are you doing NOW about the 2 gay boys in a tent together that you think are heterosexual?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#9 Jun 12, 2013
William wrote:
Good. It was meant to be.
What a FLAKE Jr.!
Jackson

France

#10 Jun 12, 2013
Wilson wrote:
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Heterosexual men are not going to molest boys. Homosexual men will.
This ain't rocket science folks!
Spot on!
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#11 Jun 12, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
This sort of question would apply to any away from school activity - should 2 homosexual boys be allowed to share a hotel room?
Yes. They have been allowed to bunk together all this time - it would be your judgement of their sexuality that would suddenly prevent it.
NO sexual activity is allowed during school or scout functions - NONE.
Your theory of preventing homosexual behavior by banning the homosexuals is flawed. The only legitimate way of distinguishing a person's sexuality is to be told by that person - any other route for obtaining this information is hearsay. What you will be doing is allowing dishonest gay people to be treated like any other normal scout while honest gay teens will be singled out.
What are you doing NOW about the 2 gay boys in a tent together that you think are heterosexual?
Not banning .. Separating. That is a problem then. We can' can't tell by the "laws of nature". We can only go by asking and telling. If you lie on the questionaire and are observed , you are out of the org.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#12 Jun 12, 2013
Jackson wrote:
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Spot on!
So, just being heterosexual qualifies men to be allowed opportunities to be alone with young boys?

How about - unless there are enough leaders to insure a complete absence of sexual activity, don't go camping.

I participated in scouts as a child and as a leader. It was absolutely necessary to have 3 or more parents available to control a group of ten (unruly) children. If your child is involved in scouts so that they are alone with one leader - that is inappropriate. Carry your butt to the scout meeting, lazy parent. Go to scout functions if you are concerned that anything is inappropriate - oh, unless you're gay, then just stay home and hope no one's beating up your kid.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#13 Jun 12, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Not banning .. Separating. That is a problem then. We can' can't tell by the "laws of nature". We can only go by asking and telling. If you lie on the questionaire and are observed , you are out of the org.
One man tents for everyone! How about a ten person army tent? A person in charge of supervising tents during the night?

If you intentionally or unknowingly allow 2 gay boys to be together during the night, it would be no different than weekend sleepovers, athletic trips, summer camps, prison.

However, if your group member is admittedly gay, he must have more troubling things on his mind than a boy scout camping trip. If you even suspect that he is gay, do not allow opportunities for him to even be reminded of his sexuality - scouts is about learning survival skills and discovering science and nature - it is the leaders' responsibility to control the group and keep the attention of the members focused. If you witness anything inappropriate, it is your responsibility to end that behavior immediately.

My advice is to be aware and familiar with your group members - they are ALL young people receiving guidance - address the issues of the children in your group specifically. Is homosexuality a concern to your children? Make sure intimate opportunities are not available to be abused.

You have no right to concern yourself with other people's sexuality. Do not pressure children to identify themselves this way - they are children.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#14 Jun 12, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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This is a serious question. I was a parent leader for a group in high school that centered on outdoors and camping. Of course there was a rule, girls in one tent, guys in another because of sexual attraction.
Should 2 homosexual boy scouts be allowed to stay in their own tent?
Gay does not automatically cause attraction.

The first manifestation of gay orientation is not physical sexuality, but emotional sexuality.
Herbert Schaible

Irving, TX

#15 Jun 12, 2013
William wrote:
Well I guess there will now be new badges to earn for interior decorating, flower arranging, and hair styling.
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I'm a gay man and don't like to do any of those things.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#16 Jun 12, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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This is a serious question. I was a parent leader for a group in high school that centered on outdoors and camping. Of course there was a rule, girls in one tent, guys in another because of sexual attraction.
Should 2 homosexual boy scouts be allowed to stay in their own tent?
Like many other ignorant people, you apparently believe that a gay person wants to have sex with any male he sees, particularly any gay male he sees. It's a ridiculous belief. Just as str8 people have a particular type of person that they find attractive, so too do gay people. I used to be a bartender 5 nites a week in a gay bar, and if I saw 1 or 2 people a nite that were my "type", that was a LOT.

Just because 2 gay boys are in close proximity to one another, does not mean that they are sexually attracted to one another.

MY GOD ! Where on Earth do you str8 people come up with these weird beliefs ?!
Bible Talk

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Jun 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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This is a serious question. I was a parent leader for a group in high school that centered on outdoors and camping. Of course there was a rule, girls in one tent, guys in another because of sexual attraction.
Should 2 homosexual boy scouts be allowed to stay in their own tent?
Do we really need the Catholics lecturing us about gays and kids. Just as the Catholics laid claim to the church even though history is plain there were others Christians who never went along with Rome and their attempt to take complete control of the church. Even though the Catholics suppressed the church for 1500 years Martin Luther eventually overcame them. I suppose now you will see the same take over of the Boy Scouts since gays are allowed. Only a matter of time and they will be the Catholic Scouts and claims they were Catholic Scouts from the beginning as well. Ah the good old Catholic playbook.
William

Birmingham, AL

#18 Jun 13, 2013
"I'm a gay man and don't like to do any of those things."

See, he understands the joke I made.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#19 Jun 13, 2013
Bible Talk wrote:
<quoted text>Do we really need the Catholics lecturing us about gays and kids. Just as the Catholics laid claim to the church even though history is plain there were others Christians who never went along with Rome and their attempt to take complete control of the church. Even though the Catholics suppressed the church for 1500 years Martin Luther eventually overcame them. I suppose now you will see the same take over of the Boy Scouts since gays are allowed. Only a matter of time and they will be the Catholic Scouts and claims they were Catholic Scouts from the beginning as well. Ah the good old Catholic playbook.
Hey now - are you suggesting that we extend the ban of gay scout leaders to include Catholic people? This discussion grows more discriminatory as it goes along...

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Since: May 13

Europa

#20 Jun 13, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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Hey now - are you suggesting that we extend the ban of gay scout leaders to include Catholic people? This discussion grows more discriminatory as it goes along...
I wouldn't suggest that, but Hindu boys & Buddhist boys (as well as boys of other faiths or no faith) are banned.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#21 Jun 13, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
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I wouldn't suggest that, but Hindu boys & Buddhist boys (as well as boys of other faiths or no faith) are banned.
Oh, I see, "duty to God". Hmm - this organization is considered a private organization, so they are allowed to discriminate, like churches. My experience with "scout leading" was through the Girl Scouts - I am seeing how these organizations differ - the policies of the Girl Scouts is not to inquire about one's sexuality or faith. References to faith were very generalized to include any faith.

So the actual members of the BSA were convinced to change their rules to accommodate honest gay youth. Obama and Romney acted as if they had something to do with it, didn't they? The BSA is not being forced to accept gay people, they are being convinced to do it. If you can convince them to drop that bit about God, those Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists can join in.

Something is more than nothing and so, I accept this as progress. It is only logical that these openly gay youth that are being allowed to participate now will make a convincing future case that might allow them to participate as adults.

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