Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#101 May 15, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Ok here is my question. If God did not include this in the bible even though a pope and a catholic group wanted it in what need do I have to read that or even believe that it is inspired. Because your RCC wanted it to be. How about Mr. Smiths documents that were written on gold plates should I also listen to that group?
That is a good comparison. Both Mormons and catholics have non-inspired texts.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#102 May 15, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Your so far off base and reaching it is funny and yet pathetic at the same time.
Both you and mike believe water baptism is necessary for salvation, is that statement that wrong?

Mike believes that the communion elements turns into the blood and body of Christ, is it true that you do not accept that teaching?

Both you and Mike believe that un confessed sin will send a person to hell, is that right? Both of you have different ideas of confession though. You confess in a prayer directly to the Father and Mike goes into a confessional booth and confesses to a catholic priest, is that right?

Do you believe that a person dies right after he is water baptized that he will have no sin to keep him out of heaven? Both you and Mike believe that.

So explain to me why you think my message is so far off base???
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#103 May 15, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Ok here is my question. If God did not include this in the bible even though a pope and a catholic group wanted it in what need do I have to read that or even believe that it is inspired. Because your RCC wanted it to be. How about Mr. Smiths documents that were written on gold plates should I also listen to that group?
It sounds like you have no clue on how what books made into the Bible and what books didn't?

This might burst your bubble, it burst mine many years ago, but the leaders in the Catholic Church voted on them led by the HS.

You believe the NT books are inspired and inerrant because the Council of Rome in 382 AD said they were.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#104 May 15, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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That is a good comparison. Both Mormons and catholics have non-inspired texts.
Read your History. Father Luther threw out 7 books of the Bible in 1500. That proved he was a heretic.

Look up the Council of Rome and you will see what the Bible consisted of until 1500.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#105 May 15, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Both you and mike believe water baptism is necessary for salvation, is that statement that wrong?
Mike believes that the communion elements turns into the blood and body of Christ, is it true that you do not accept that teaching?
Both you and Mike believe that un confessed sin will send a person to hell, is that right? Both of you have different ideas of confession though. You confess in a prayer directly to the Father and Mike goes into a confessional booth and confesses to a catholic priest, is that right?
Do you believe that a person dies right after he is water baptized that he will have no sin to keep him out of heaven? Both you and Mike believe that.
So explain to me why you think my message is so far off base???
Bobby: You keep saying what Mike believes. It is what the Apostles taught the Church and what that Church has taught for almost 2000 years. I obey the Jesus and the Apostles.
Mark

Danville, VA

#106 May 15, 2013
1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

What religion is "forbidding to marry"?

Mt 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

What religion calls some man "father"?

Mt 26:26 ¶ And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

What religion says the bread and fruit of the vine literally turns into the body & blood of Christ during communion? but when Jesus instituted this He was still in His actual body with His literal blood.

Mt 18:1 ¶ At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

What religion practices baptizing little children even though Jesus says they are innocent and that except one be converted and become like a child he shall not enter the kingdom?

The mother of all harlots, the Roman Catholic church, from which sprang all so-called denominations.
Earl Kiser

United States

#107 May 15, 2013
You guys should hear Mike out. Where does your church start in history? The only church that can trace its roots to the beginning is the Catholic Church. You guys keep saying how sacred tradition is moving out of bounds but you have your own traditions that aren't from the bible. We can follow our footsteps back to the beginning with well written documentation. Can you?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#108 May 15, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Read your History. Father Luther threw out 7 books of the Bible in 1500. That proved he was a heretic.
Look up the Council of Rome and you will see what the Bible consisted of until 1500.
There are 66 books in the bible not 72. Those other books might contain interesting information but are not considered to be inspired.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#109 May 15, 2013
Bad math 66+7=73
Mark

Danville, VA

#110 May 15, 2013
Earl Kiser wrote:
You guys should hear Mike out. Where does your church start in history? The only church that can trace its roots to the beginning is the Catholic Church. You guys keep saying how sacred tradition is moving out of bounds but you have your own traditions that aren't from the bible. We can follow our footsteps back to the beginning with well written documentation. Can you?
Earl, the church of Christ began on the day of Pentecost which you can read about in Acts chapter two...Ac 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Ac 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Paul warned of those who would leave "the faith"...1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

This happened some three to six hundred years after Christ established His church. You cannot trace the Roman Catholic church back to Pentecost.
Jerry

Vincennes, IN

#111 May 15, 2013
Jerry wrote:
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Copy and paste...lol
Can you copy and paste or
Your observation concerning my latest post is partially accurate. I did copy and paste references that proved that eis can be used to mean "on account of". Your ability to state the obvious is what we ought to lol about. Your approach is typical of those who have their minds made up to their point of view and are afraid to serious consider what an opponent has written for fear they may be wrong. It is an all too common practice to deflect others from the legitimacy of an opponent's answer. Just side step the arguments by attacking your opponent's character or credentials. You seemed quite skilled at this however this does not in any way challenge the validity of what is posted.

Show your biblical skills by showing how this post can not stand based on its merits not on your sarcasm.

Lou
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#112 May 15, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Earl, the church of Christ began on the day of Pentecost which you can read about in Acts chapter two...Ac 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Ac 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Paul warned of those who would leave "the faith"...1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
This happened some three to six hundred years after Christ established His church. You cannot trace the Roman Catholic church back to Pentecost.
Mark; I can give you the names of Catholics from now back to 1st Century.

I have asked this question to a number of COCs without an answer.

Please give one the name of one person in the COC that I can research that existed between 100 AD to 1800 AD.

If you cannot do this , you should stop saying the COC was created at Pentecost.

Every reliable historical source says the COC was create around 1800 by a former Methodist.

Prove me wrong with facts.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#113 May 15, 2013
Earl Kiser wrote:
You guys should hear Mike out. Where does your church start in history? The only church that can trace its roots to the beginning is the Catholic Church. You guys keep saying how sacred tradition is moving out of bounds but you have your own traditions that aren't from the bible. We can follow our footsteps back to the beginning with well written documentation. Can you?
Earl:

They ignore history because they would cease to exist as a faith.

They can only say the CC became Apostate and the Protesters were right and Jesus failed.
Earl Kiser

United States

#114 May 15, 2013
To Mark. I can trace my roots back to the apostles through history, can you? Point in history your Church.
Earl Kiser

United States

#115 May 15, 2013
Mike, they won't answer because they can't. Don't they know that some coc are turning Catholic. Wonder why.......
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#116 May 15, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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There are 66 books in the bible not 72. Those other books might contain interesting information but are not considered to be inspired.
Once again Bobby, you need to take some time to read history before commenting on these things.

That is so weird. You accept the the decision of the CC on the NT books but not the OT.

The 7 books thrown out was declared uninspired by Father Luther when a few years before he made vows before God that all 73 were inspired.

Is this what the scriptures mean about adding to and taking away from the Word.

Would you have accepted Father Luther taking out James too if his fellow heretics had not convinced him to put that back in.

Since: Jul 11

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#117 May 15, 2013
Shouldn't we back our beliefs with the Bible? The RCC goes beyond the inspired Word. If we all done this what purpose would the Bible serve? Just make up things as we go, if it is the Bible plus "whatever"

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#118 May 15, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Once again Bobby, you need to take some time to read history before commenting on these things.
That is so weird. You accept the the decision of the CC on the NT books but not the OT.
The 7 books thrown out was declared uninspired by Father Luther when a few years before he made vows before God that all 73 were inspired.
Is this what the scriptures mean about adding to and taking away from the Word.
Would you have accepted Father Luther taking out James too if his fellow heretics had not convinced him to put that back in.
Mike, since you firmly believe the Catholic Church to be THE CHURCH, do you know any Catholic willing to debate these issues on TV? The Church of Christ in the Martinsville VA area have live TV shows that air in 2 different States, plus the debate could be posted on YouTube. Matter of fact, the guy Mark on here, is one of the men who have a show on TV in Martinsville, VA.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#119 May 15, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
Shouldn't we back our beliefs with the Bible? The RCC goes beyond the inspired Word. If we all done this what purpose would the Bible serve? Just make up things as we go, if it is the Bible plus "whatever"
The Bible serves exactly what Paul says the OT served.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

The Church uses it for teaching. The Church taught for 350 years before the Bible was created. This helps us teach. That is why SS is completely unbiblical.

SS creates the opportunity to make up things as we go. That is why we have 40,000 Churches today instead of 1 for the first 1500 years.

What Changed? The invention of Sola Scriptura. Why was it invented? To ignore Traditons that were taught by the Apostles.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#120 May 15, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The Bible serves exactly what Paul says the OT served.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
The Church uses it for teaching. The Church taught for 350 years before the Bible was created. This helps us teach. That is why SS is completely unbiblical.
SS creates the opportunity to make up things as we go. That is why we have 40,000 Churches today instead of 1 for the first 1500 years.
What Changed? The invention of Sola Scriptura. Why was it invented? To ignore Traditons that were taught by the Apostles.
Mike, since you firmly believe the Catholic Church to be THE CHURCH, do you know any Catholic willing to debate these issues on TV? The Church of Christ in the Martinsville VA area have live TV shows that air in 2 different States, plus the debate could be posted on YouTube. Matter of fact, the guy Mark on here, is one of the men who have a show on TV in Martinsville, VA.

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