Dave P

Morehead, KY

#61 May 13, 2013
Saved through water, not saved by water. We go through water, God is at work. We've done "our part" by believing Him enough to do what He says. He then does His part, His work, as He promised.

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#62 May 13, 2013
I aint said you and creed are wrong when it comes to a person being baptised. I cant agree with you and creed on part though. I know God does do in us his work when we are baptised but people just dont get baptised not knowing why. Look at Peter what he said to them when they ask what to do. Peter said repentance and being baptised were for reasons not just do it. Creed argued with Lou bot the word ice that has for in our bibles. Creed said the word meant baptism is done in order that people get forgiveness. That is how I understand creed. Repent and be baptised. Why Peter should we? Because its unto forgivness of sins. They knew what Peter meant and we must know today that being beptised is how we come to be forgiven by god. If somebody hears the mesaage about Jesus then jumps in a river for a swim will that be right. No it wont. The water means nothing if the person being baptised don’t do so for the reason to get forgiven by Jesus. If somebody don’t know this they just getting wet and god not going to honor a baptism done wby people who don’t know why they got baptised.

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#63 May 13, 2013
Consider the context of Acts 2. After Peter preached Jesus to them they became hurt and afraid. They inquired of Peter what they needed to do to make things right.

Peter then commands ‘repentance and baptism’ INTO the remission of sins. Keep in mind, the point that Jesus shed His Blood EIS-for remission of sin, was on the cross. The Blood of Jesus isn’t found in repentance nor found in baptism.

Sinners OBEY commands, right? I mean, it’s the sinners duty to repent and be baptized. The results/promises are not something sinners OBEY but something God does when the sinner repents and is baptized.

Remission of sins is NOT all that comes from OBEYING THE GOSPEL. We often leave off the ending of Acts 2:38. Peter said if you do A and B, God will do Y and Z. Y and Z are the promises of God- remission of sins/gift of the Holy Spirit. A and B are repentance and baptism.

Yes, repentance and baptism are INTO/UNTO/TOWARDS/FOR remission of sins. When a sinners obeys the commands of repentance and baptism, God will fulfill his promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Do you realize that almost all coc people who have been baptized didn’t know that they received the gift of the Holy Spirit at the point of baptism. Does their lack of understanding this cause God to withhold the gift of the Holy Spirit? How many re-baptism have you seen for the purpose to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit? Ironically, Acts 19 comes to mind :-)“Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed”- ask Paul. Name one time the coc has ever followed that example. We are quick to re-baptize people who failed to “properly understand baptism” without a single example yet we excuse those who failed to understand that they received the Holy Spirit too.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#64 May 13, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Saved through water, not saved by water. We go through water, God is at work. We've done "our part" by believing Him enough to do what He says. He then does His part, His work, as He promised.
Dave agrees with the Church on this one. We are saved through water. Like Noah and the Jews through the parted sea.
Lords Church

Martinsville, VA

#65 May 13, 2013
“Baptism now saves you – not the removal of dirt from the flesh,[but an appeal to God] for a good conscience by the resurrection of Jesus Christ”(1 Pet. 3:20-21). This states clearly that Baptism is for a good conscience and an appeal to God.

Failing to see the correlation between “being saved” and the “remission of sins,” is to fail to see baptism’s primary purpose within God’s plan of salvation, as well as its essentiality. Baptism for the remissions of sins was the primary reason that penitent believers obeyed the command to be baptized. They clearly saw the need to have their sins remitted!

“What shall we do?”(Acts 2:37-38, 41)


“What shall I do, Lord?”(Acts 22:10, 16)


The purpose of baptism,“for the remission of sins,”“to wash away sins,”“to be saved,” generally to be forgiven, was understood in the clear teaching of Jesus and His inspired apostles.

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#66 May 13, 2013
Then Johnny, Mark and James need to get baptized again a lot more to remit all the sins they keep doing. Like lying and deceiving and false accusations.

If water gets rid of sins they should be dunked in the city pool or hit with a fire hose.

Since: May 10

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#67 May 13, 2013
Olethros wrote:
Then Johnny, Mark and James need to get baptized again a lot more to remit all the sins they keep doing. Like lying and deceiving and false accusations.
If water gets rid of sins they should be dunked in the city pool or hit with a fire hose.
You still making claims without specific evidence or would you like to bring forth those lying allogations.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#68 May 13, 2013
Olethros wrote:
Then Johnny, Mark and James need to get baptized again a lot more to remit all the sins they keep doing. Like lying and deceiving and false accusations.
If water gets rid of sins they should be dunked in the city pool or hit with a fire hose.
All they have to do is what Jesus said. Confess your sins to one another, the Church. Whatever sins you forgive, they are forgiven, whatever you dont, arent. But for the Church to know you must tell them.

Johhny needs to convert and make a good confession. In fact we all need to make good confessions.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#69 May 13, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Bobby I take the living waters to be the Spirit, John 7:37-39.
I agree. I don't think you take it to mean that the Spirit is in the living water. Would it not make sense that the term "living water" is symbolic of the living spirit which no man can see? It can easily relate to the knowledge man has that water is necessary for life, especially for OT desert dwellers. Jesus processes the essential life giving properties for life eternal, but I doubt that it is physical h2o he is referring to.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#70 May 13, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. I don't think you take it to mean that the Spirit is in the living water. Would it not make sense that the term "living water" is symbolic of the living spirit which no man can see? It can easily relate to the knowledge man has that water is necessary for life, especially for OT desert dwellers. Jesus processes the essential life giving properties for life eternal, but I doubt that it is physical h2o he is referring to.
To expand this idea a little further. God revealed himself to Moses in a burning bush that was not consumed-but God was not the burning bush. Sense no man has seen God we do not know what he looks like, we cannot relate to an unseen Spirit. Just because we cannot see him with our physical eyes does not mean he does not exist. So, if you were Jesus how would you describe what God looks like.

Does it not make perfect sense that when we try to understand God/spirit we will need to relate our understanding to things we can see and experience? That is one reason why I believe we are saved by his Spirit which is not made of physical substance-thus he uses things we can see and understand as symbols we can relate to.

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#71 May 14, 2013
Lords Church wrote:
“Baptism now saves you – not the removal of dirt from the flesh,[but an appeal to God] for a good conscience by the resurrection of Jesus Christ”(1 Pet. 3:20-21). This states clearly that Baptism is for a good conscience and an appeal to God.
Failing to see the correlation between “being saved” and the “remission of sins,” is to fail to see baptism’s primary purpose within God’s plan of salvation, as well as its essentiality. Baptism for the remissions of sins was the primary reason that penitent believers obeyed the command to be baptized. They clearly saw the need to have their sins remitted!
“What shall we do?”(Acts 2:37-38, 41)
“What shall I do, Lord?”(Acts 22:10, 16)
The purpose of baptism,“for the remission of sins,”“to wash away sins,”“to be saved,” generally to be forgiven, was understood in the clear teaching of Jesus and His inspired apostles.
The flaw in this approach is that it is entirely too vague and seems to prove too much! Must one know every aspect about worship and work of the church?(From Lord’s Supper to qualifications of elders, etc.)

This would seemingly require perfect understanding about all aspects of Christianity before one was eligible for baptism. Obviously, that which proves too much proves nothing at all!

When you were Baptized, did you know it was an appeal to God for a good conscience? Or, did you learn this after you were baptized?

Did you know the following before you were baptized:

Made a spiritual heir of Abraham.(Gal. 3:26-29)

Could experience a spiritual circumcision.(Col. 2:11-13)

Entered the church.(1 Cor. 12:13)

Enjoy all spiritual blessings in Christ.(Eph. 1:3)

Free from a law system.(Rom. 6:1-7; Rom. 7:4)
Lords Church

Martinsville, VA

#72 May 14, 2013
If one wishes to be baptized, but does not know why, and has no interest in knowing why, how can he submit to baptism as an act of faith?

How could anyone give the book of Acts even a casual reading and not know the reason for be baptized.

Surely any person can understand the language of the apostle Peter who told the converts on Pentecost Day to "repent and let everyone of you be baptized for the remission of sins…"

How is it possible for anyone who is mature enough to put Christ on in baptism miss the point that was made by Ananias when he said to Saul of Tarsus, "what are you waiting for, arise, be baptized and wash away your sins calling on the name of the Lord?"

Anyone either hearing or reading this, even for the first time, would understand that baptism is for the purpose of washing one's sins away.

To be baptized for the remission of sins and to have one's sins washed away in baptism is one and the same thing. It speaks to the purpose of baptism in the clearest and most easily understood terms.

One who has heard enough of the Word of God to understand that God will forgive him of all sin upon the completion of the act of baptism is one who can submit to that baptism by faith. It seems to this student that such minimal knowledge would be the least required to intelligently do what God has commanded.
Lords Church

Martinsville, VA

#73 May 14, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
<quoted text>
The flaw in this approach is that it is entirely too vague and seems to prove too much! Must one know every aspect about worship and work of the church?(From Lord’s Supper to qualifications of elders, etc.)
This would seemingly require perfect understanding about all aspects of Christianity before one was eligible for baptism. Obviously, that which proves too much proves nothing at all!
When you were Baptized, did you know it was an appeal to God for a good conscience? Or, did you learn this after you were baptized?
Did you know the following before you were baptized:
Made a spiritual heir of Abraham.(Gal. 3:26-29)
Could experience a spiritual circumcision.(Col. 2:11-13)
Entered the church.(1 Cor. 12:13)
Enjoy all spiritual blessings in Christ.(Eph. 1:3)
Free from a law system.(Rom. 6:1-7; Rom. 7:4)
While a person newly educated in the Bible may not understand all the finer points, surely he can understand he is being baptized to be forgiven of sin, which after all is the point, isn't it? Forgiveness of sin is the purpose of baptism!
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#74 May 14, 2013
Lords Church wrote:
<quoted text>
While a person newly educated in the Bible may not understand all the finer points, surely he can understand he is being baptized to be forgiven of sin, which after all is the point, isn't it? Forgiveness of sin is the purpose of baptism!
Can I add Jesus' own words to your statement. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now.

It forgives your sins and saves you.

Until......
Lords Church

Martinsville, VA

#75 May 14, 2013
The Bible deepens its view of the purpose of baptism when it speaks of our being baptized into Christ, or our being baptized to put on Christ. In Galatians 3:27, Paul wrote, "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Notice two important matters.

*When one is baptized he is baptized "into Christ." The word "into" is easily understood; "entrance into". Hence, those who are baptized "into" Christ are granted entrance into him.

*Paul also said that those who are immersed into Christ are "clothed" in him. That is, he is "put on" like clothing is put on. He is worn by us. This is, of course, metaphorical language which means that after being baptized we display the attributes of Jesus Christ in our daily lives.

If Peter gave purpose that was to be followed, we best speak the same things. This thread in nothing but an attempt to bring Baptist and other denominations through the door of false teaching. The purpose of repentance, according to Peter, is in order to receive remission of sins. The same is true about Baptism. Can one fail to understand why he repents? No! So, why treat Baptism differently?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#76 May 14, 2013
Lords Church wrote:
The Bible deepens its view of the purpose of baptism when it speaks of our being baptized into Christ, or our being baptized to put on Christ. In Galatians 3:27, Paul wrote, "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Notice two important matters.
*When one is baptized he is baptized "into Christ." The word "into" is easily understood; "entrance into". Hence, those who are baptized "into" Christ are granted entrance into him.
*Paul also said that those who are immersed into Christ are "clothed" in him. That is, he is "put on" like clothing is put on. He is worn by us. This is, of course, metaphorical language which means that after being baptized we display the attributes of Jesus Christ in our daily lives.

If Peter gave purpose that was to be followed, we best speak the same things. This thread in nothing but an attempt to bring Baptist and other denominations through the door of false teaching. The purpose of repentance, according to Peter, is in order to receive remission of sins. The same is true about Baptism. Can one fail to understand why he repents? No! So, why treat Baptism differently?
Amen. When we baptize, the baptized are given white garments to represent being clothed in him. They also become part of the Kingdom of God.

That is one of many reasons we baptize babies because Jesus says children belong to the Kingdom, let the children come to me, and Baptism belongs to your children and those for away, their children, their children's children.

Since: May 10

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#77 May 14, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen. When we baptize, the baptized are given white garments to represent being clothed in him. They also become part of the Kingdom of God.
That is one of many reasons we baptize babies because Jesus says children belong to the Kingdom, let the children come to me, and Baptism belongs to your children and those for away, their children, their children's children.
If Christ said the Children already belong to the kingdom why would they need sprikling which is not immersion?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#78 May 14, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
If Christ said the Children already belong to the kingdom why would they need sprikling which is not immersion?
Because all need to baptized to become part of the Kingdom (not democracy BTW) and immersion was never taught as necessary.

All Christians practiced sprinkling, pouring, and immersion and continued up until 1500, when the protester Smythe decided he didn't like that. The only one of the original Protesters.

It must be tough to have no history to look at.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#79 May 14, 2013
All of you are arguing over the correct baptismal formula but not over whether it is salvific- you agree there. I can see it now, catholics and cocers finally agree on how to be saved and still cannot walk together.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#80 May 14, 2013
Lords Church: Forgiveness of sin is the purpose of baptism!

Lords Church:If Peter gave purpose that was to be followed, we best speak the same things. This thread in nothing but an attempt to bring Baptist and other denominations through the door of false teaching. The purpose of repentance, according to Peter, is in order to receive remission of sins. The same is true about Baptism. Can one fail to understand why he repents? No! So, why treat Baptism differently?

The purpose of this thread and others is to handle accurately the word of truth. The whole purpose of Peter's commands to repent and be baptized were in response to convicting those people of murdering Christ, not just simply teaching them some Bible. People must be convinced of where they stand before God without being in Christ; if they're not, are they truly saved?

Both repentance and baptism were commanded for them UNTO remission of sins AND to receive the gift of the Spirit. I notice you mention nothing of the Spirit. Commands-repent and be baptized. Results-forgiveness and the Spirit. Would you say faith is also unto remission of sins?

All that we know the very first converts knew was that they needed to do something for crucifying Christ. Peter told them what he did. Isn't that enough? That's the real point here.

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