Alexander Campbell founded the Church of Christ

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#1 Sep 2, 2013
If there had been no Alexander Campbell, there would not be any Church of Christ today.

That is a fact.

Churches of Christ that we are discussing did not exist until early 1800s.

The Churches of Christ that we discuss here have Alexander Campbell as their founder as much as Methodists have Wesley and the Baptists have Smyth.

The Churches of Christ that we discuss here were started by Alexander Campbell, Barton Stone, Walter Scott, and some others. Without any of them there would be no Church of Christ.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#2 Sep 3, 2013
Just a parallel history note to think about regarding the 'Church of Christ' title/name. Even Catholic scholars used the same name, as did the Protestants. Do an Amazon.com search for 'Church of Christ history' and I'll venture some old books will come up that pre-date Campbell and have 'Church of Christ' in the title, and the books are about the history of the Church through the centuries. It was used in a generic sense.

During the post-apostolic times few used the name to name their church. The first in recent history to 'borrow' the name for themselves were the Mormons, and it is well known that they used 'Church of Christ' at their beginnings with Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon (who was with Campbell early on).

Even the 'Church of Christ' didn't widely accept this as their 'name' until about 1900 or 1905. If the Church of Christ restoration depends in any way on the NAME of their Church, they cannot attribute it to Campbell, Scott, or other early frontier preachers that I'm aware of.

When was the restored Church of Christ accomplished? When they decided immersion per Acts 2:38,39 is required for the same reasons preached by Peter in this passage? If this is so, then why don't they equally accept the charge of Peter from Moses that the doctrine of the Church of Christ be the same as the doctrine taught by Jesus Christ, which He said is the doctrine of God?

No one I know has ever found Jesus teaching about non-instrumental singing, taking communion once a week, having Elders and Deacons, or any form of Dispensationalism that was actually formulated of recent history to side-step the variant teachings of Paul and pretend Jesus didn't mean what He taught and commanded was to be the doctrine of His Church/Bride was to live by - to repent to do it.

No, they are not the restored or re-created first century Church. They protest others follow man made doctrines, but they have yet to 'hear whatsoever that Prophet tells them.' Are they 'cut off from the brethren'? At least they're part way there, but need to wake up to the facts that Jesus taught - and stop pretending that Paul agreed with Jesus in all things.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#3 Sep 3, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Just a parallel history note to think about regarding the 'Church of Christ' title/name. Even Catholic scholars used the same name, as did the Protestants. Do an Amazon.com search for 'Church of Christ history' and I'll venture some old books will come up that pre-date Campbell and have 'Church of Christ' in the title, and the books are about the history of the Church through the centuries. It was used in a generic sense.
During the post-apostolic times few used the name to name their church. The first in recent history to 'borrow' the name for themselves were the Mormons, and it is well known that they used 'Church of Christ' at their beginnings with Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon (who was with Campbell early on).
Even the 'Church of Christ' didn't widely accept this as their 'name' until about 1900 or 1905. If the Church of Christ restoration depends in any way on the NAME of their Church, they cannot attribute it to Campbell, Scott, or other early frontier preachers that I'm aware of.
When was the restored Church of Christ accomplished? When they decided immersion per Acts 2:38,39 is required for the same reasons preached by Peter in this passage? If this is so, then why don't they equally accept the charge of Peter from Moses that the doctrine of the Church of Christ be the same as the doctrine taught by Jesus Christ, which He said is the doctrine of God?
No one I know has ever found Jesus teaching about non-instrumental singing, taking communion once a week, having Elders and Deacons, or any form of Dispensationalism that was actually formulated of recent history to side-step the variant teachings of Paul and pretend Jesus didn't mean what He taught and commanded was to be the doctrine of His Church/Bride was to live by - to repent to do it.
No, they are not the restored or re-created first century Church. They protest others follow man made doctrines, but they have yet to 'hear whatsoever that Prophet tells them.' Are they 'cut off from the brethren'? At least they're part way there, but need to wake up to the facts that Jesus taught - and stop pretending that Paul agreed with Jesus in all things.
I was inclined to agree with this until you ended it by your adding your hebrew roots theology and dissing Paul:-(
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#4 Sep 3, 2013
There is nothing in the Bible or the first 1500 years of Christianity, where the members of a Church 'hired' their priests (pastors if you want to call them that.

They were assigned to Churches, by the Magisterium.

How can starting a Church be biblical when even hiring your own pastors is not biblical?
MCOC

Martinsville, VA

#5 Sep 3, 2013
Olethros wrote:
If there had been no Alexander Campbell, there would not be any Church of Christ today.
That is a fact.
Churches of Christ that we are discussing did not exist until early 1800s.
The Churches of Christ that we discuss here have Alexander Campbell as their founder as much as Methodists have Wesley and the Baptists have Smyth.
The Churches of Christ that we discuss here were started by Alexander Campbell, Barton Stone, Walter Scott, and some others. Without any of them there would be no Church of Christ.
All of this time I thought Jesus founded his church to only find out that campbell started it. did he die for the church too. Go Campbell you the man!
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#6 Sep 3, 2013
Olethros wrote:
If there had been no Alexander Campbell, there would not be any Church of Christ today.
That is a fact.
Churches of Christ that we are discussing did not exist until early 1800s.
The Churches of Christ that we discuss here have Alexander Campbell as their founder as much as Methodists have Wesley and the Baptists have Smyth.
The Churches of Christ that we discuss here were started by Alexander Campbell, Barton Stone, Walter Scott, and some others. Without any of them there would be no Church of Christ.
OK, and your point is......?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#7 Sep 3, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
No one I know has ever found Jesus teaching about non-instrumental singing, taking communion once a week, having Elders and Deacons, or any form of Dispensationalism that was actually formulated of recent history to side-step the variant teachings of Paul and pretend Jesus didn't mean what He taught and commanded was to be the doctrine of His Church/Bride was to live by - to repent to do it.
No, they are not the restored or re-created first century Church. They protest others follow man made doctrines, but they have yet to 'hear whatsoever that Prophet tells them.' Are they 'cut off from the brethren'? At least they're part way there, but need to wake up to the facts that Jesus taught - and stop pretending that Paul agreed with Jesus in all things.
Curious to know what your idea of "dispensationalism to side step the variant teaching of Paul" is.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#8 Sep 3, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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I was inclined to agree with this until you ended it by your adding your hebrew roots theology and dissing Paul:-(
If Peter, James, and John wrote contrary to what Paul said; if Jesus warned and judged against a 'false apostle' and 'wolf in disguise' who was not an apostle, but said he was; if the things taught by this person are what Paul taught - do you accuse me of 'dissing' Paul because I acknowledge what they had to say is the truth? Undoubtedly it is popular in the USA to disregard Jesus -'dis' Yeshua (that is His actual name Bobby), and invent all manner of defense mechanisms to protect Pauls' words and teachings and accuse Jesus as being the one who didn't know what God said?!

No, I'm very blessed to be persecuted for the Word of Truth by those who believe the lie rather than what He said is true. Great is my reward in heaven if I remain faithful to His word, to hold fast to it and not follow after those who don't believe Him or what He said.

Yesterday we went to the county fair and a number of booths were set up by various Churches...funny as it is, the local CoC I attend got the award for the best organized:-). Anyway, we shared the truth the doctrine of God at a number of booths.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#9 Sep 3, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Curious to know what your idea of "dispensationalism to side step the variant teaching of Paul" is.
Every single teaching of Jesus is based on what is taught in the OT. He raised the old instruction to higher levels as exampled by both what He taught, as well as how He lived. Being a disciple was to be a student/disciple of Jesus and His teachings. Jesus never indicated the 'Law'(Torah) would pass or become passť or loosened or done away with at the cross. His work on earth at the cross was finished, but the work He began and left for His disciples had only begun. There was no passing of anything He taught, as the original disciples were to make disciples of Him and teach them the very same commandments He had first given them.

Paul taught situational ethics of what you can get away with good conscience - that the law was nailed to the cross, and that living by the Spirit was not also centered to allow the Spirit to write the 'Torah' on their hearts - how could this be if it was nailed to the cross?

The 'dispensation' theory is of relatively new origin today, but was taught in principle by second century heretics, such as Marcion, who took what Paul taught to exclude what Jesus taught previously because Paul claimed Jesus gave him additional revelation that in actuality nullified what He taught before. That Jesus taught under the 'dispensation' of Mosaical law, which was done away with and necessitated a 'new' law, which is what Paul taught. That way some pretend to ignore the heart of Jesus making good on the promises of God to Abraham to be that the situation was like the wife not being bound to her husband after he died - that Jesus died on the cross, ending the marriage to the Torah, and ushering in a new husband of the law of liberty. To Paul, this is best summarized as 'All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient.' This is to lead away from what God said to do - which places Paul squarely in the category of 'false' by the standards God gave in the Torah through Moses, the Prophets, as well as what Jesus and the Twelve said on the topic - and also agreed with by His half brother James, who certainly knew what Jesus taught nearly as well as the Twelve.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#10 Sep 3, 2013
No one here accuses Jesus of not knowing what God said. Plus you're not being persecuted. Your theology is being questioned. The rest of us go through it. You can handle it too.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#11 Sep 3, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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If Peter, James, and John wrote contrary to what Paul said; if Jesus warned and judged against a 'false apostle' and 'wolf in disguise' who was not an apostle, but said he was; if the things taught by this person are what Paul taught - do you accuse me of 'dissing' Paul because I acknowledge what they had to say is the truth? Undoubtedly it is popular in the USA to disregard Jesus -'dis' Yeshua (that is His actual name Bobby), and invent all manner of defense mechanisms to protect Pauls' words and teachings and accuse Jesus as being the one who didn't know what God said?!
No, I'm very blessed to be persecuted for the Word of Truth by those who believe the lie rather than what He said is true. Great is my reward in heaven if I remain faithful to His word, to hold fast to it and not follow after those who don't believe Him or what He said.
Yesterday we went to the county fair and a number of booths were set up by various Churches...funny as it is, the local CoC I attend got the award for the best organized:-). Anyway, we shared the truth the doctrine of God at a number of booths.
Did you share coc doctrine or hebrew roots doctrine? Surely you know they are two completely different doctrines...
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#12 Sep 3, 2013
Lets make post 9 simpler without the Paul bashing. You mean the whole idea that our dispensation begins with the church and teachings from the apostles; with everything Jesus taught belonging to the law of Moses, therefore not applicable today.

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#13 Sep 3, 2013
MCOC wrote:
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All of this time I thought Jesus founded his church to only find out that campbell started it. did he die for the church too. Go Campbell you the man!
You aren't in the church that Jesus founded.

You are in a denomination that came about because of Campbell, Stone and other men. The Churches of Christ has more earthly founders than any Baptist or Methodist church.

If Alexander Campbell had not existed, the Chuch of Christ as you know it would not have existed.

The Church of Christ is one denomination among many denominations. Because you took the words "Churches of Christ" from the Bible doesn't make you unique or special. It doesn't make you the "Lord's church" when Martinsville Church of Christ is as much a work of man as the others in Martinsville.

You should thank Campbell. If he didnt exist you would not have had the Church of Christ that you hide behind.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#14 Sep 3, 2013
Olethros wrote:
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You aren't in the church that Jesus founded.
You are in a denomination that came about because of Campbell, Stone and other men. The Churches of Christ has more earthly founders than any Baptist or Methodist church.
If Alexander Campbell had not existed, the Chuch of Christ as you know it would not have existed.
The Church of Christ is one denomination among many denominations. Because you took the words "Churches of Christ" from the Bible doesn't make you unique or special. It doesn't make you the "Lord's church" when Martinsville Church of Christ is as much a work of man as the others in Martinsville.
You should thank Campbell. If he didnt exist you would not have had the Church of Christ that you hide behind.
Whitman is gone but you might be the same person. If anyone is a born again believer, he is automatically added to true church. Lets hope MCOC is a genuine believer. If you are whitman you should know this...

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#15 Sep 3, 2013
Olethros wrote:
If there had been no Alexander Campbell, there would not be any Church of Christ today.
That is a fact.
Churches of Christ that we are discussing did not exist until early 1800s.
The Churches of Christ that we discuss here have Alexander Campbell as their founder as much as Methodists have Wesley and the Baptists have Smyth.
The Churches of Christ that we discuss here were started by Alexander Campbell, Barton Stone, Walter Scott, and some others. Without any of them there would be no Church of Christ.
Are you declaring them and all other denominations FALSE? What is your point?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#16 Sep 3, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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Are you declaring them and all other denominations FALSE? What is your point?
They are all false to some degree. High end are less false than low end.
No non Catholic ecclesial community has the fullness of the Truth. Just bits and pieces.

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#17 Sep 3, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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They are all false to some degree. High end are less false than low end.
No non Catholic ecclesial community has the fullness of the Truth. Just bits and pieces.
It is amusing how they all accept many of the teachings and pronouncements of the infallible Ecumenical Councils of the Roman Catholic Church and they don't even know it!

Since: Jul 11

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#18 Sep 3, 2013
Oh, we know it Mark. You seem to be missing the point here. Are you flawless without error? Why not expose the RCC and its inconsistencies??????? Have YOUR popes already agreed? Who are you fooling besides yourself?

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#19 Sep 3, 2013
I'm not Whitman.

Mike is the only one here who could say he's in a denomination that goes back unbroken to the time of the apostles.

I don't believe the church/denomination matters to God. There is no one true church/denomination. They all have imperfections even the Church of Christ.

It must hurt the people at Martinsville Church of Christ to know that they are held to the same standard they hold other Christians to. It must hurt them to know they owe their beliefs and doctrines to men like Campbell and Stone. Without those men and others the Martinsville Church of Christ wouldn't be there. The Robertson family would have to find another way to snooker people and live off others money.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#20 Sep 3, 2013
Olethros wrote:
I'm not Whitman.
Mike is the only one here who could say he's in a denomination that goes back unbroken to the time of the apostles.
I don't believe the church/denomination matters to God. There is no one true church/denomination. They all have imperfections even the Church of Christ.
It must hurt the people at Martinsville Church of Christ to know that they are held to the same standard they hold other Christians to. It must hurt them to know they owe their beliefs and doctrines to men like Campbell and Stone. Without those men and others the Martinsville Church of Christ wouldn't be there. The Robertson family would have to find another way to snooker people and live off others money.
There is no such thing as a denomination. There is the church that Jesus started and then there are the non-Cathoiic eccLesial communities., all with only a part of the truth.

Does it matter to God. Of course it does. He wouldn't have sent his son to die for us and to build his church which is th pillar of truth..

Whoever hears his Church hears him. Do you hear his Church?

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