List of Roman Catholic False Doctrines
Older and Wiser

Rolla, MO

#244 Dec 2, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Frankly, I had no idea criticism even hatred of the CofC coming from other prot denominations was so bad and widespread as what I saw on line this afternoon. Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians and Evangelicals were all piling on. The CofC doesn't even qualify as ground clutter on the Catholic radar.
Sounds like all these DENOMINATIONAL churches (you speak of) were piling it on the Church of Christ - BECAUSE THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS A THREAT TO THEM!!!

Because, if members of these denominations actually was taught the truth (that is taught in the Church of Christ) they would be LEAVING THEIR DENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES & being baptized into the LORD'S CHURCH (the Church of Christ)...

This actually happened back in the 50's & 60's when people were leaving the Baptist churches in droves & becoming members of the Church of Christ...
Dave P

Winder, GA

#245 Dec 2, 2013
Older and Wiser wrote:
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Looks like you're just trying to confuse the issue here. We're not talking about wearing suits or our Sunday best to chruch on Sundays.
What we're talking about here is the robes, the collars etc. that Catholic church MAKES IT MANDATORY for their priests, bishops pope & other hiarchy in the Catholic church to wear!
There is no dress code for anyone in the Church of Christ (other than dressing in modest appareal).
Don't play dodgeball old timer. Is it a problem if a group makes an outfit mandatory?

What happens if your preacher doesn't wear a suit on Sunday? Don't think anybody would say anything? LOL. Let him try it sometime.

Why do you rag on the RCC for having a clergy when we coc have the same thing?

Since: Sep 13

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#246 Dec 3, 2013
Older and Wiser wrote:
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Sounds like all these DENOMINATIONAL churches (you speak of) were piling it on the Church of Christ - BECAUSE THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS A THREAT TO THEM!!!
Because, if members of these denominations actually was taught the truth (that is taught in the Church of Christ) they would be LEAVING THEIR DENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES & being baptized into the LORD'S CHURCH (the Church of Christ)...
This actually happened back in the 50's & 60's when people were leaving the Baptist churches in droves & becoming members of the Church of Christ...
A threat to who. You only have 1.5 million members and most of them are in Tenn and Texas. What threat are you?

Since: Jun 11

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#247 Dec 3, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>I love history. Lets begin with the most recent history of the Catholic pedophile priests and the billions and billions of dollars they paid out in settlements and to hide their shameful actions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10407559
Now let us move to some of the classic infallible vicars of Christ.
http://socrates58.blogspot.fr/2007/12/bad-pop...
Oh wait, I jumped past the Nazi(I am the Jews best buddy)Catholics.
http://www.bing.com/images/search...
Doesn't this just make everyone want to be Catholic? Oh, how I love history.
Genuine steaming Sproul manure. Dude even looks like he has a mouthful.

Since: Jun 11

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#248 Dec 3, 2013
Older and Wiser wrote:
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Looks like you're just trying to confuse the issue here. We're not talking about wearing suits or our Sunday best to chruch on Sundays.
What we're talking about here is the robes, the collars etc. that Catholic church MAKES IT MANDATORY for their priests, bishops pope & other hiarchy in the Catholic church to wear!
There is no dress code for anyone in the Church of Christ (other than dressing in modest appareal).
Have to call major BS on this Older and Stupid!
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#249 Dec 3, 2013
Older and Wiser wrote:
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Sounds like all these DENOMINATIONAL churches (you speak of) were piling it on the Church of Christ - BECAUSE THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS A THREAT TO THEM!!!
Because, if members of these denominations actually was taught the truth (that is taught in the Church of Christ) they would be LEAVING THEIR DENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES & being baptized into the LORD'S CHURCH (the Church of Christ)...
This actually happened back in the 50's & 60's when people were leaving the Baptist churches in droves & becoming members of the Church of Christ...
Older and Wiser, back then the CoC didn't focus on Paul so much. Once the inbreading angst and devouring each other over minor differences took root and congregations started variances between themselves to the point of no longer fellowshipping with others of the same fellowship, the same 'extended family', it is just as the Scriptures warned. And it continues today from almost every angle.

Some are no different than any other "Denomination" except in name. I can't think of one - not a single division point that could not be corrected by returning to being hearers and doers of whatever He taught. So the problem traces to the core doctrine.

Jesus said to make disciples of Him, immerse them into the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and teach them to keep whatever He had commanded them - the commandments remain to be learned and kept, that we be 'disciples indeed'.

So when the CoC stopped short of the unifying doctrines and commandments, precepts, promises and prophecy - that is why you are not successful. This is also why the CoC needs to return to their first love. Those God loves, He prunes that they might bare more fruit. Those that don't bare fruit He cuts off and throws in the fire. We are incapable to do anything of Him unless we are abiding in the Vine. We cannot abide in Him, and He in us, unless we abide in whatever He said is the very truth of God.

What I see is criticism of a pot calling a kettle black. It leads nowhere for the blind to lead the blind, as the ditch is the end for them both.

You might think about that.

John 15:9-15; "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing, but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you."

Revelation 22:14; "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city."

John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words, and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me."

Since: May 10

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#250 Dec 3, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Oh, really? Tertullian knew both Noah and all the rest of them?;-)
What did Jesus say? Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
What did God say? Read what Moses wrote - all Israel heard what God told them that day.
What did Moses say? God established Sabbath at creation in the first week and I have no reason to think He didn't tell Adam, or that Adam didn't tell Eve...
We don't find disregard of the Sabbath until Paul and extreme stretches of what is said in Acts. There is no direct changing of the Commandments of God. The heavens still follow His rule of them established the day He spoke them into existence. What PROOF is there that God changed the day. Not hearsay or opinions of men.
Your quoted sources have no authority of God.
Either Paul lied or God lied. Scripture says God cannot lie.
Who do you believe?
The Sabbath was not known until mount Sinai. Exodus 20:2 Deut 5:2 Neh 9:14 and Eze 20:10 And it was only commanded of those whom were there.
Deut 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of [c]us alive here today. Whom is the US?

Neh 9:14 “Then You came down on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven;
You gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath,
And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law,
Through Your servant Moses.

When was it Made KNOWN?

Eze 20:10 So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man [i]observes them, he will live. 12 Also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

By the way this is God talking not Paul as you claim.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#251 Dec 3, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I follow Jesus through the Church he started. Whoever hears his Church hears him. Jesus did not say anything about a Bible or any other book.
What do I lie about? You compared St Paul to Obama who is a closet Muslim.
You can say you are sorry for doing that if you want.
You believe everything your read. Get the 38 Volume Set of the Early Church Fathers. It is just the actual writings, with I believe, no commentary.,
Then read the CCC.
Next step will be RCIA for anybody who does this. To read history is to cease being a protester.
If I misspoke, I beg your pardon. I thought you were saying I didn't believe Jesus cared for children. Maybe I misunderstood your comments.

I really hate to talk about Paul. Reading history is not to cease from being a protestor.(Did you mean 'Protestant'?) An example of recent historical events that we can still go back to deep investigation and not just taking the 'official' record to be of any value to know the truth: LDS Church History. Their historians and made some great spins that a 'faith building', but deny reality. They don't care about reality that happened - they only care to report the fairy tale. Was it Grant Palmer who wrote a book on LDS historical past that was unknown. It was fine, as long as it was taught only the select few in Institute, but when the anti-LDS learned about it and started using it to educate LDS to the other things - He was called in for almost an inquisition and sanctioned because he wouldn't repent of the truth. Truth doesn't matter and is hidden and suppressed. When we went through Navoo, Ill and Kirtland, OH, both locations had "faith building" movies at the visitors centers that we nothing but lies. So how can lies be used to tell historical things if they only tell half the story? Deny facts from other sources of verifiable facts such as County, State and Federal trials that were well documented and presented evidence of both side in the matter - yet somehow we are to believe the Spin-doctors only? Sounds like the mental disorder of Democrats... the mob mentality.

The best historian? Jesus said it's about hearing and doing as He said - so that's where I put my hand - with the Wonderful Councilor.
Dave P

Cleveland, GA

#252 Dec 3, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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The Sabbath was not known until mount Sinai. Exodus 20:2 Deut 5:2 Neh 9:14 and Eze 20:10 And it was only commanded of those whom were there.
Deut 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of [c]us alive here today. Whom is the US?
Neh 9:14 “Then You came down on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven;
You gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.
14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath,
And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law,
Through Your servant Moses.
When was it Made KNOWN?
Eze 20:10 So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man [i]observes them, he will live. 12 Also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.
By the way this is God talking not Paul as you claim.
This is truth BW conveniently likes to ignore and distort.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#253 Dec 3, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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The Sabbath was not known until mount Sinai. Exodus 20:2 Deut 5:2 Neh 9:14 and Eze 20:10 And it was only commanded of those whom were there.
(good verses - cut out to keep my comments intact)
When was it Made KNOWN?
Eze 20:10 So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man [i]observes them, he will live. 12 Also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.
By the way this is God talking not Paul as you claim.
Everyone BUT Paul said God gave the Law to Moses. Paul is the only one who said the Law was a curse to Israel and it was given to them by angels - those who are no God. Paul also continued on to say we are required to follow earthly rulers, but not the commandments of Jesus Christ or God? In other places, as I Cor. he said what matters most is keeping the commandments of God. And after the Decree to the Gentiles, Paul even taught not to teach that either and said those who believed it wrong were those of 'weak' faith! As Paul said, he believed being all things to all men to win some to Christ? Paul also said all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient - well, which is it Paul?
I'm through with Pauls' teachings because I've discovered I can believe what Jesus taught was in accord with the Torah, Psalms and Prophets - exactly as He declared and Paul denied. If you choose to disbelieve what Jesus taught, well that is between you and He, but I must do as He said, believe true what He declared truth, and continue in discipleship to One Lord - the Anointed One of God.

Ever wonder why there is history of a seven day week came from - long before Mt. Sinai? Ever think that Israel, under pagan influences for 400 years may not have given the Commandment of the Sabbath said 'Remember' as the very first word - the only commandment that says to 'Remember'?

We know Job is the book of ancient record at least a thousand years before Moses gave the Law to Israel has much about the righteousness God expected of men then? How many of the Ten are implied in the conversations between Job and his friends and even with God? You may find that interesting to consider. But that digresses from the main point of the Sabbath: God declared the day set-apart at Creation, not only at Mt. Sinai. It was revealed to Corporate Israel and the sojourners with them then - that is not to say that it was not given UNTIL then.

God said Egypt was ungodly. Worship of the Sun God was done on Sunday - not the Sabbath, and God was re-establishing the day with Israel, as also the other nine, and in fact all the other precepts and such.

Have you found one teaching of Jesus Christ that is not first centered from the Torah/Psalms and Prophets? Also I Enoch fits into ancient Scripture, and Jesus and some of the apostles referenced it as Scripture. Are you aware of that?

The Sabbath centers on Christ as the Creator through whom nothing was made that could be seen or unseen - all He created - both good and evil.

Unless you can show that Jesus Christ specifically set the day aside, no one else in all history has had the authority to change any commandment of God. His rule is eternal, as His word is eternal. We deceive ourselves if we don't recognize this fact.

But each will be judged by our actions and words and beliefs. Jesus said those who don't keep His words don't love Him, and that it is the word of God - not His own.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#254 Dec 3, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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This is truth BW conveniently likes to ignore and distort.
Or that you pretend to not see and distort? Satan also knows and distorts the Scripture. Those who are faithful will abide in the Teachings of Jesus Christ. He left us His word and Spirit. If you seek Him and obey - you will know the truth He taught. If you hear any other man over what Jesus taught - you are doing what is not possible - to serve God alone. God said: "Hear Him".

Prove your point - I'll stand corrected if proven wrong - His truth, the very Gospel of the Kingdom of God demands truth and wholehearted service to God and allows His Spirit to put Torah in our hearts - even the Gentiles - to honor and observe the righteous precepts and Commandments of God.

Can you prove to me why I should instead obey Paul?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#255 Dec 3, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Everyone BUT Paul said God gave the Law to Moses.
Forget about Stephen already?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#256 Dec 3, 2013
But that digresses from the main point of the Sabbath: God declared the day set-apart at Creation, not only at Mt. Sinai. It was revealed to Corporate Israel and the sojourners with them then - that is not to say that it was not given UNTIL then.

*What part of "not made known" do you fail to recognize?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#257 Dec 3, 2013
Prove your point - I'll stand corrected if proven wrong.

*You've been corrected several times- by me, most recently by JustChristian- yet you won't admit you are wrong. Anyone with working Biblical knowledge sees through your stuff.

It seems like you believe everything you read except your Bible.

Since: May 10

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#258 Dec 4, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Everyone BUT Paul said God gave the Law to Moses. Paul is the only one who said the Law was a curse to Israel and it was given to them by angels - those who are no God. Paul also continued on to say we are required to follow earthly rulers, but not the commandments of Jesus Christ or God? In other places, as I Cor. he said what matters most is keeping the commandments of God. And after the Decree to the Gentiles, Paul even taught not to teach that either and said those who believed it wrong were those of 'weak' faith! As Paul said, he believed being all things to all men to win some to Christ? Paul also said all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient - well, which is it Paul?
I'm through with Pauls' teachings because I've discovered I can believe what Jesus taught was in accord with the Torah, Psalms and Prophets - exactly as He declared and Paul denied. If you choose to disbelieve what Jesus taught, well that is between you and He, but I must do as He said, believe true what He declared truth, and continue in discipleship to One Lord - the Anointed One of God.
Ever wonder why there is history of a seven day week came from - long before Mt. Sinai? Ever think that Israel, under pagan influences for 400 years may not have given the Commandment of the Sabbath said 'Remember' as the very first word - the only commandment that says to 'Remember'?
We know Job is the book of ancient record at least a thousand years before Moses gave the Law to Israel has much about the righteousness God expected of men then? How many of the Ten are implied in the conversations between Job and his friends and even with God? You may find that interesting to consider. But that digresses from the main point of the Sabbath: God declared the day set-apart at Creation, not only at Mt. Sinai. It was revealed to Corporate Israel and the sojourners with them then - that is not to say that it was not given UNTIL then.
God said Egypt was ungodly. Worship of the Sun God was done on Sunday - not the Sabbath, and God was re-establishing the day with Israel, as also the other nine, and in fact all the other precepts and such.
Have you found one teaching of Jesus Christ that is not first centered from the Torah/Psalms and Prophets? Also I Enoch fits into ancient Scripture, and Jesus and some of the apostles referenced it as Scripture. Are you aware of that?
The Sabbath centers on Christ as the Creator through whom nothing was made that could be seen or unseen - all He created - both good and evil.
Unless you can show that Jesus Christ specifically set the day aside, no one else in all history has had the authority to change any commandment of God. His rule is eternal, as His word is eternal. We deceive ourselves if we don't recognize this fact.
But each will be judged by our actions and words and beliefs. Jesus said those who don't keep His words don't love Him, and that it is the word of God - not His own.
Noticed you didnt answer the questions.

When was the sabbath made know according to Gods words not Pauls.
Whom was the Sabbath given to according to Gods words not Pauls, unless paul wrote those ot books I referenced.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#259 Dec 5, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Noticed you didnt answer the questions.
When was the sabbath made know according to Gods words not Pauls.
Whom was the Sabbath given to according to Gods words not Pauls, unless paul wrote those ot books I referenced.
If the revelations of God to Moses count - it says the day was set aside at creation. It was likely given to Adam the day he was created.
Anonymous Proxy

France

#260 Dec 5, 2013
Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.


I don't understand the argument exactly. From the above verse it would seem God created a seven day rest or sabbath.



Exodus 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.




(Above verse)After their period of slavery where they were not allowed to keep the Sabbath God tells them to remember it. You cannot remember something that has yet to be created. Some argue confusion over the calendar because of changes and the exile causing them to lose count. I believe God knew exactly what day it was and since he commanded remembrance of that day and that he made sure they did it on the right day. Why do I think it was the same day as Genesis he said to remember?(verse below) God references the creation and this day. I do not believe there is any confusion on the part of God on wanting them to remember the Sabbath or what day that was.




Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


It would seem likely that the day was never changed because of calendar changes or the the exile. Why? It was important to God and if a day is important to God he won't allow man to confuse what that day is in any other place than their tiny little minds.
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#261 Dec 5, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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If the revelations of God to Moses count - it says the day was set aside at creation. It was likely given to Adam the day he was created.
Likely. LOL LOL LOL. How much clearer did Moses and God have to be before you believed them? And you quote Acts 3 all the time yet you don't even listen to Moses?
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#262 Dec 5, 2013
Sproul says, I don't understand the argument exactly. From the above verse it would seem God created a seven day rest or sabbath.

Dave says this: it's not hard Sproul. Is the sabbath still something that we believers should be keeping? Was it kept from creation, and should we keep it now; or was it fulfilled and abolished?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#263 Dec 6, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
I don't understand the argument exactly. From the above verse it would seem God created a seven day rest or sabbath.
Exodus 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
(Above verse)After their period of slavery where they were not allowed to keep the Sabbath God tells them to remember it. You cannot remember something that has yet to be created. Some argue confusion over the calendar because of changes and the exile causing them to lose count. I believe God knew exactly what day it was and since he commanded remembrance of that day and that he made sure they did it on the right day. Why do I think it was the same day as Genesis he said to remember?(verse below) God references the creation and this day. I do not believe there is any confusion on the part of God on wanting them to remember the Sabbath or what day that was.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
It would seem likely that the day was never changed because of calendar changes or the the exile. Why? It was important to God and if a day is important to God he won't allow man to confuse what that day is in any other place than their tiny little minds.
Yes, and to date I haven't seen or heard about those 'beggarly elements' that gave the Torah to Israel mentioned anywhere by Moses. Where did Paul get the idea? Another is where Paul equated the righteousness by faith to Abraham was also quite the stretch of text and story. At least there are two of us who believe Moses spoke the truth, as Yeshua also affirmed. This really shows that we cannot serve two masters - we will cling to one and despise the other. They're caught in their prison holes.

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