Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#749 Jul 9, 2014
When any of us mere mortals decide what is scripture and what isn't, then we are speaking for God. He decided that long ago regardless of what view we take on it.

To go boldly and say Esther or Paul isn't scripture, as Mike would say, what gives you the right to do so? And what if you're wrong?
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#750 Jul 9, 2014
I've seen explanations on the Catholic ten commandments thing. From what I recall its a big non-issue.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#751 Jul 10, 2014
Dave P wrote:
When any of us mere mortals decide what is scripture and what isn't, then we are speaking for God. He decided that long ago regardless of what view we take on it.
To go boldly and say Esther or Paul isn't scripture, as Mike would say, what gives you the right to do so? And what if you're wrong?
If I decide a matter on my own desire or my own opinion or my own prejudices - yes, what right has anyone to do this. None.

If I decide a matter according to the directions God gave through His holy prophets or Son, or what He spoke directly to Israel at Sinai, since it is His directions followed, and that by following His instructions that were given with the direct context as given - then I am doing as God said and have found God is true - not that I am true. If I follow the instruction of God to determine how to know a liar who says they speak for Him, or how to know who truly speaks for Him - it is He who has enlightened me to be able to distinguish truth from error and the instructions of God from the deceptions of the Evil one.

As for Esther, that one is from the people who have been charged to keep the Scripture and guard it, and they have for thousands of years. If they, who have kept very careful records internally of even their greatest teachers interpretaions and understandings of the things contained therein - they have always known it is not "Scripture", but a "writing". They said so with historical evidences, not that they just up one day decided to say it wasn't "Scripture".

Go and learn something at a deeper level before making such ignorant statements.

Maybe you could look at the link posted and see what is really behind the Catholic veil of secrecy and see if you think people who do such things can possibly be of Christ, or if they have shown their true selves by the evidence of their fruits... as Jesus directed you to do.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#752 Jul 10, 2014
Anyone seen this?

From the Letter of the Emperor to all those not present at the Council.(Found in Eusebius, Vita Const., Lib. iii., 18-20.)

When the question relative to the sacred festival of Easter arose, it was universally thought that it would be convenient that all should keep the feast on one day; for what could be more beautiful and more desirable, than to see this festival, through which we receive the hope of immortality, celebrated by all with one accord, and in the same manner? It was declared to be particularly unworthy for this, the holiest of all festivals, to follow the custom[the calculation] of the Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and whose minds were blinded. In rejecting their custom,(1) we may transmit to our descendants the legitimate mode of celebrating Easter, which we have observed from the time of the Saviour's Passion to the present day[according to the day of the week]. We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews, for the Saviour has shown us another way; our worship follows a more legitimate and more convenient course(the order of the days of the week); and consequently, in unanimously adopting this mode, we desire, dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without their direction we could not keep this feast. How can they be in the right, they who, after the death of the Saviour, have no longer been led by reason but by wild violence, as their delusion may urge them? They do not possess the truth in this Easter question; for, in their blindness and repugnance to all improvements, they frequently celebrate two passovers in the same year. We could not imitate those who are openly in error. How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are most certainly blinded by error? for to celebrate the passover twice in one year is totally inadmissible. But even if this were not so, it would still be your duty not to tarnish your soul by communications with such wicked people[the Jews]. Besides, consider well, that in such an important matter, and on a subject of such great solemnity, there ought not to be any division. Our Saviour has left us only one festal day of our redemption, that is to say, of his holy passion, and he desired[to establish] only one Catholic Church. Think, then, how unseemly it is, that on the same day some should be fasting whilst others are seated at a banquet; and that after Easter, some should be rejoicing at feasts, whilst others are still observing a strict fast. For this reason, a Divine Providence wills that this custom should be rectified and regulated in a uniform way; and everyone, I hope, will agree upon this point. As, on the one hand, it is our duty not to have anything in common with the murderers of our Lord; and as, on the other, the custom now followed by the Churches of the West, of the South, and of the North, and by some of those of the East, is the most acceptable, it has appeared good to all; and I have been guarantee for your consent, that you would accept it with joy, as it is followed at Rome, in Africa, in all Italy, Egypt, Spain, Gaul, Britain, Libya, in all Achaia, and in the dioceses of Asia, of Pontus, and Cilicia. You should consider not only that the number of churches in these provinces make a majority, but also that it is right to demand what our reason approves, and that we should have nothing in common with the Jews.
(continued)
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#753 Jul 10, 2014
To sum up in few words: By the unanimous judgment of all, it has been decided that the most holy festival of Easter should be everywhere celebrated on one and the same day, and it is not seemly that in so holy a thing there should be any division. As this is the state of the case, accept joyfully the divine favour, and this truly divine command; for all which takes place in assemblies of the bishops ought to be regarded as proceeding from the will of God. Make known to your brethren what has been decreed, keep this most holy day according to the prescribed mode; we can thus celebrate this holy Easter day at the same time, if it is granted me, as I desire, to unite myself with you; we can rejoice together, seeing that the divine power has made use of our instrumentality for destroying the evil designs of the devil, and thus causing faith, peace, and unity to flourish amongst us. May God graciously protect you, my beloved brethren.

Since: Sep 13

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#754 Jul 10, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
To sum up in few words: By the unanimous judgment of all, it has been decided that the most holy festival of Easter should be everywhere celebrated on one and the same day, and it is not seemly that in so holy a thing there should be any division. As this is the state of the case, accept joyfully the divine favour, and this truly divine command; for all which takes place in assemblies of the bishops ought to be regarded as proceeding from the will of God. Make known to your brethren what has been decreed, keep this most holy day according to the prescribed mode; we can thus celebrate this holy Easter day at the same time, if it is granted me, as I desire, to unite myself with you; we can rejoice together, seeing that the divine power has made use of our instrumentality for destroying the evil designs of the devil, and thus causing faith, peace, and unity to flourish amongst us. May God graciously protect you, my beloved brethren.
Keep reading Church history.

Trivia; The calendar we all follow, was created by the Church by Pope Gregory.

What is perhaps most important to remember, both in the solution adopted in 525 and in that officially put forward at the time of the reform of the Calendar by Gregory XIII, is this, that the Church throughout held that the determination of Easter was primarily a matter of ecclesiastical discipline and not of astronomical science. As Professor De Morgan long ago clearly recognized, the moon according to which Easter is calculated is not the moon in the heavens nor even the mean moon, i.e. a moon traveling with the average motion of the real moon, but simply the moon of the calendar. This calendar moon is admittedly a fiction, though it departs very little from the actual astronomical facts; but in following the simple rule given for the dependence of Easter upon the moon of the calendar, uniformity is secured for all countries of the world. According to this rule, Easter Sunday is the first Sunday which occurs after the first full moon (or more accurately after the first fourteenth day of the moon) following the 21st of March. As a result, the earliest possible date of Easter is 22 March, the latest 25 April.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#755 Jul 10, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>800-664-5110

Coming Home Network

They will find you meaningful work and will help you save your soul.
You're asking me to call an impersonal 800 number?

I'm asking you to call my personnel phone number that's found on our website.

www.roysecitycoc.org

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#756 Jul 10, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're asking me to call an impersonal 800 number?
I'm asking you to call my personnel phone number that's found on our website.
www.roysecitycoc.org
It is not a an impersonal number. It is free one. It is on their website.

Shawn: I have no interest in talking about scripture with you. By definition all protesters are right. All of what your salvation beliefs are your personal opinion because the Church has not taught you the fullness of the truth.

Those beliefs will die with you with.

You have more problems than the average protester. Your condition of your own soul is your personal problem, but when you claim to speak for God when you have no authority to, and you lead people the wrong way, then that is another story.

Christ himself is the source of the Church's authority.

The New Testament shows that Christ deliberately created his Church to be the vehicle of his continuing mission in the world. He promised to remain present in his Church for all time, and he lovingly guides it through the presence of the Holy Spirit.

To ensure the success of this mission, Christ gave his Church the ability to teach, govern and sanctify with Christ's own authority. The Apostles appointed successors to ensure that the Gospel would continue to be handed on faithfully as "the lasting source of all life for the Church" (Vatican II, "Lumen Gentium" 20; also Catechism #860).

The source and guarantee of this Church authority is Christ's continuing presence in his Church — "Lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age" (Mt 28:20).

The purpose of this authority is to give the Church the ability to teach without error about the essentials of salvation: "On this rock, I will build My Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it" (Mt 16:18).

The scope of this authority concerns the official teachings of the Church on matters of faith, morals, and worship (liturgy & sacraments). We believe that, because of Christ's continued presence and guarantee, his Church cannot lead people astray with its official teachings (which are distinct from the individual failings and opinions of its members, priests, bishops, and Popes).

Shawn: You do have authority to speak for God and you risk eternal risks for doing that. This Sunday when you are standing up there pretending to speak for God, just remember that every other protester church in Royse City and around the world is doing the same thing and teaching something different.

What pride and arrogance you must have to pretend you are right and everybody else is wrong.

When one of your children leaves your church , will you disown him like Dave's did?

Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#757 Jul 10, 2014
" I have no interest in talking about scripture with you."

Mike, for once I absolutely agree with you!!!

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#758 Jul 10, 2014
Bobby wrote:
" I have no interest in talking about scripture with you."
Mike, for once I absolutely agree with you!!!
Finally. You promise?

Talking about scripture for protesters is arguing about what it means. Talking about scripture among Christians means how to we use scripture in our lives. The meaning was decided when they were written

You can check with the author and creator of the Bible for the truth

You want to talk about what the Church which is the pillar and foundation truth teaches. You don't know that and have a lot to learn. I am still learning.

Since: Jul 14

Location hidden

#759 Jul 10, 2014
To be deep in the word of God is to cease being Catholic
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#760 Jul 10, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Finally. You promise?
Talking about scripture for protesters is arguing about what it means. Talking about scripture among Christians means how to we use scripture in our lives. The meaning was decided when they were written
You can check with the author and creator of the Bible for the truth
You want to talk about what the Church which is the pillar and foundation truth teaches. You don't know that and have a lot to learn. I am still learning.
Do you know what a drone is? Well, you are one!

Or better yet, you are the puppet and someone else is pulling your strings.
Dave P

Flemingsburg, KY

#761 Jul 10, 2014
Barns web said go learn something on a deeper level before making such ignorant statements.

1. Take your own advice. Your theories are beyond ignorance. You seem to have rejected almost every idea of truth.

2. The Jews were entrusted with the scriptures. How did that work our for them? We are supposed to follow the beliefs of the very nation that rejected and crucified Messiah? No thanks. I'll trust Esther is inspired scripture before I trust the Jews about it.

3. The instruction about identifying prophets-was that given to you? Someone else perhaps? As Mike says, do you speak for God?

Since: Jul 14

Location hidden

#762 Jul 10, 2014
1 Timothy 4:1-3 says,

>>> Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth <<<

• Please notice from the above Scripture that those departing from the faith would forbid marriage and command abstinence from foods. I pose a simple but important question, "Which religious group among us today has in the past forbidden, and at the present time forbids marriage to certain of its clergy?

• Similarly, "Which group among us today has in the past commanded (no meat on Friday), and presently commands its people on various occasions (the Lenten fast, confessional penitence) to abstain from certain foods?"

Since: Jul 14

Location hidden

#763 Jul 10, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
The amazing thing about the Bible is the fact that it does not teach Catholic doctrine.
www.roysecitycoc.org
Left-footers claim to believe the bible but as you said they reject it by their practice.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#764 Jul 10, 2014
First of all Jesus never prophesied a book was coming, never wrote anything, and never told anybody to write anything.
As for as Jesus and Sola Scriptura the only time he mentioned anything close to that was about the Pharisees and their teaching.
He said to obey what they say but not what they do. He doesn't say to get you a copy of the Torah and decide for yourselves what it means.
God has never had books with positions of Authority. Always had men. In the OT and Jesus continued that after he died.
That only stopped in the 16th Century for protesters only.
In that way, you and the Muslims are the same. Both Sola Scriptura.
Bobby , Muslims put your your analogy of the right to bear arms and sola scriptura to real use.

Since: Jul 14

Location hidden

#765 Jul 10, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
First of all Jesus never prophesied a book was coming, never wrote anything, and never told anybody to write anything.
As for as Jesus and Sola Scriptura the only time he mentioned anything close to that was about the Pharisees and their teaching.
He said to obey what they say but not what they do. He doesn't say to get you a copy of the Torah and decide for yourselves what it means.
God has never had books with positions of Authority. Always had men. In the OT and Jesus continued that after he died.
That only stopped in the 16th Century for protesters only.
In that way, you and the Muslims are the same. Both Sola Scriptura.
Bobby , Muslims put your your analogy of the right to bear arms and sola scriptura to real use.
1 Timothy 4:1-3 says,

>>> Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth <<<

• Please notice from the above Scripture that those departing from the faith would forbid marriage and command abstinence from foods. I pose a simple but important question, "Which religious group among us today has in the past forbidden, and at the present time forbids marriage to certain of its clergy?

• Similarly, "Which group among us today has in the past commanded (no meat on Friday), and presently commands its people on various occasions (the Lenten fast, confessional penitence) to abstain from certain foods?"
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#766 Jul 10, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep reading Church history.
Trivia; The calendar we all follow, was created by the Church by Pope Gregory.
What is perhaps most important to remember, both in the solution adopted in 525 and in that officially put forward at the time of the reform of the Calendar by Gregory XIII, is this, that the Church throughout held that the determination of Easter was primarily a matter of ecclesiastical discipline and not of astronomical science. As Professor De Morgan long ago clearly recognized, the moon according to which Easter is calculated is not the moon in the heavens nor even the mean moon, i.e. a moon traveling with the average motion of the real moon, but simply the moon of the calendar. This calendar moon is admittedly a fiction, though it departs very little from the actual astronomical facts; but in following the simple rule given for the dependence of Easter upon the moon of the calendar, uniformity is secured for all countries of the world. According to this rule, Easter Sunday is the first Sunday which occurs after the first full moon (or more accurately after the first fourteenth day of the moon) following the 21st of March. As a result, the earliest possible date of Easter is 22 March, the latest 25 April.
It's odd to call it Easter, when that is a pagan holiday. That aside, the calendar given by God to Moses coordinates about six or seven calendars to arrive at the precise day, and it was the duty of the Jewish leadership to determine the Appointments of God by His instruction. I'll have to side with the concept that we need to align our service to what He instructed and not just do what we find easy or convenient. If God has spoken - that's the real deal.

You might enjoy reading "Wheel of the Stars" by Rothe, as he has pretty much 'cracked the code' of missing information that caused Israel to start missing the day. Up to a certain point the High Priests served many years. When the information was lost, there was a new one each year..... The calendar given to Moses in the Torah is actually more accurate than our current calendar and the Myan calendar.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#767 Jul 10, 2014
Calvins Corner wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Timothy 4:1-3 says,
>>> Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth <<<
• Please notice from the above Scripture that those departing from the faith would forbid marriage and command abstinence from foods. I pose a simple but important question, "Which religious group among us today has in the past forbidden, and at the present time forbids marriage to certain of its clergy?
• Similarly, "Which group among us today has in the past commanded (no meat on Friday), and presently commands its people on various occasions (the Lenten fast, confessional penitence) to abstain from certain foods?"
Calvin believed Paul and not Jesus - thereby selling a poisoned gospel devoid of the power to heal, transform and sanctify the believer in the truth of God. Paul was a liar and the father of false doctrine and division of the body of Christ. Paul is the original one who departed from the faith - he even put down the original Apostles faith.

You need to wake up before it's too late. We've slumbered long enough and it's time to prepare to meet our Maker and Redeemer - soon to be King of kings on earth.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#768 Jul 10, 2014
Jesus taught it will be as in the days of Noah.. They were marrying and giving in marriage - not prohibiting it.

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