Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#689 Jul 4, 2014
So, yes William is completely right where catholic doctrine came from-the old covenant priesthood.

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#690 Jul 4, 2014
Bobby wrote:
I have a certain amount of respect Glen Beck-the Mormon. He never talks about the Mormon Temple and avoids talk about the book of Mormon. In fact the Mormons are trying very hard to shed their cult connection.
In the same way I have a certain amount of respect for you, but I can never become a Mormon or a catholic because there is not a nickel's worth of difference between them. They just use different books and call it a companion the the bible.
Did you vote for Mitt Romney? Choosing between two evils is never a good choice.
Once again your ignorance of the Church is showing. "Not one nickels worth of difference".

Lets see. The Mormons were invented by a wacked out protester who claims to have found some gold tablets.

The Church was started by Jesus and he has protected for 2000 years.

Please tell me with your vivid imagination who started the Church. Please give me the dates too.

Check with Slick if you have to.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#691 Jul 4, 2014
‘But you go and figure out what this means: I will have mercy, and not sacrifice. No man sews a piece of new cloth on an old garment, or the patch will shrink and the tear will be worse. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles or the bottles break and the wine runs out and the bottles are ruined, but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are saved’ (Matthew 9:14-17).

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#692 Jul 4, 2014
Bobby: I forgot to ask again. Are you avoiding.

Who wrote the book of Mark and why is Mark and Luke' s writings in the Bible? They were not Apostles.

There were no Apostolic succession right?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#693 Jul 4, 2014
I have always agreed about the similarities betwwen the old Levitical system and different groups. People like that and is why formalistic religion shall never die.

Mike , different approach here. Were the original protesters correct to protest the corruption and abuses they saw in the church at that time? Should they have been good soldiers and went along? Was the church or leadership wrong in any way that helped bring the Reformation about?

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#694 Jul 4, 2014
Dave P wrote:
I have always agreed about the similarities betwwen the old Levitical system and different groups. People like that and is why formalistic religion shall never die.

Mike , different approach here. Were the original protesters correct to protest the corruption and abuses they saw in the church at that time? Should they have been good soldiers and went along? Was the church or leadership wrong in any way that helped bring the Reformation about?
Good question. I will get back with you on this. Headed to go get my wife to bring her to the movies. She wont remember going but she will enjoy the music during it.

Fast response is Jesus created the perfect church. He promised to prevent it from all evil. The members and leadership are sinners.

Will get back to this later.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#695 Jul 4, 2014
OK Mike. Enjoy the time with your wife. May you find joy in the small things you can do together.

“Hail Mary, Full of Grace”

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#696 Jul 4, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
This video shows how Gnostic error gave rise to Augustine's false teaching.
http://youtu.be/mhLF-llpFX0
You my dear are not well schooled in Church history. You know what would be good. If you would make a case instead of run to YouTube.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#697 Jul 4, 2014
Henry Gregory Adams. Born in Saskatchewan, Canada. He entered the Basilian Order of monks and adopted the monastic name of "Saint Hilarion the Great." He was ordained as a priest and served five parishes in the Lemont, Alberta area.

Sacraments. "The monastic life and the sacraments prescribed by the Roman Catholic Church did not help me to come to know Christ personally and find salvation ... I realized that the man-made sacraments of my church and my good works were in vain for salvation. They lead to a false security." (p. 3)
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#698 Jul 5, 2014
Bobby wrote:
Henry Gregory Adams. Born in Saskatchewan, Canada. He entered the Basilian Order of monks and adopted the monastic name of "Saint Hilarion the Great." He was ordained as a priest and served five parishes in the Lemont, Alberta area.
Sacraments. "The monastic life and the sacraments prescribed by the Roman Catholic Church did not help me to come to know Christ personally and find salvation ... I realized that the man-made sacraments of my church and my good works were in vain for salvation. They lead to a false security." (p. 3)
Yes, and what did Jesus teach as being requirements? Not men, but Jesus - as recorded to have said by the very men He prayed to have total recall of His teachings by the very Spirit of Truth?
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#699 Jul 5, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and what did Jesus teach as being requirements? Not men, but Jesus - as recorded to have said by the very men He prayed to have total recall of His teachings by the very Spirit of Truth?
You sure are a weird mixture these days. Keeping the law cannot save you any more that than keeping the sacraments can save the catholics. Don't forget the story of the rich young leader who went away sorrowful when asked to give all he had then follow Jesus. No one but Jesus has ever kept all of the law-that is why he qualifies as the lamb of God who takes away sin. Now go back to work and work work work because that is where you have your hope- another take on Judaism. Six of one half a dozen of the other- same stuff.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#700 Jul 5, 2014
The entire Bible is about God and His love for us. No matter how u cut it, GRACE MUST fit somewhere, for Noah found it from God. Men were saved before law ever existed. Hezekiah and the people of Israel were given one heart and were healed by God and were heard by Him-AFTER keeping Passover at the WRONG time IN FULL KNOWLEDGE of that fact.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#701 Jul 5, 2014
Dave P wrote:
The entire Bible is about God and His love for us. No matter how u cut it, GRACE MUST fit somewhere, for Noah found it from God. Men were saved before law ever existed. Hezekiah and the people of Israel were given one heart and were healed by God and were heard by Him-AFTER keeping Passover at the WRONG time IN FULL KNOWLEDGE of that fact.
You got it. The scripture is a love story to us. It reveals to us our human weakness and our inability to please God without faith. I believe God created us knowing that we would sin and go astray. In order for God to create a family like himself he had to make a way for us to choose to be a part of that family by freely giving our will over to his will. No one will be forced to go to heaven and no one can get there without God's mercy. It's a beautiful story of redemption where God does not count our sins against us-who could not love a gracious God who is full of compassion.

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#702 Jul 5, 2014
Dave P wrote:
I have always agreed about the similarities betwwen the old Levitical system and different groups. People like that and is why formalistic religion shall never die.
Mike , different approach here. Were the original protesters correct to protest the corruption and abuses they saw in the church at that time? Should they have been good soldiers and went along? Was the church or leadership wrong in any way that helped bring the Reformation about?
Luther was correct to bring attention to the abuses the leaders of Church were committing especially in the area of the selling of indulgences. That is still be done today when the German Bishop recently was suspended of his duties for spending all of that money on that home, even though it came mostly from private donations.

However Luther wanted more than that. He wanted the Catholic Church to become Lutheran. This happened over a period of years.

He did not want to just reform the Church abuses, he ended up wanting revolution and to divide up the body of Christ. He got what he wanted. The heresy of Lutheranism could not be contained at that time. Of course Lutheranism started splitting up in under a year after Luther wrote his own Bible and declared anybody that didnt follow him was going to hell.

History Trivia. Much is written of the courage it took for Luther to nail his theses to the Church door. That particular door was at the Catholic university he attended. It had become the bulletin board for the university. So the Church door is not important at all to the discussion on Luther.

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#703 Jul 5, 2014
Peter_Williams wrote:
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You my dear are not well schooled in Church history. You know what would be good. If you would make a case instead of run to YouTube.
Peter : He is a COC pastor. If was to admit to Church history he would be fired. They pretend to have their own history. The existed in the 1st Century because the Bible says 'the churches of Christ salute you.

Then no history until 1800.

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#704 Jul 5, 2014
Bobby wrote:
Henry Gregory Adams. Born in Saskatchewan, Canada. He entered the Basilian Order of monks and adopted the monastic name of "Saint Hilarion the Great." He was ordained as a priest and served five parishes in the Lemont, Alberta area.
Sacraments. "The monastic life and the sacraments prescribed by the Roman Catholic Church did not help me to come to know Christ personally and find salvation ... I realized that the man-made sacraments of my church and my good works were in vain for salvation. They lead to a false security." (p. 3)
Does Henry Gregory Adams speak for God? Does God want everybody in the world to believe like him?

Also you claim that Catholics are not secure in the salvation belief and now you quote somebody that says we are .

Which one is it?

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#705 Jul 5, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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It's a beautiful story of redemption where God does not count our sins against us-who could not love a gracious God who is full of compassion.
Only if you confess to your sins and truly mean it. That is what we mean by make a good confession.. How do you know if your sins are forgiven unless somebody tells you?

Confess your sins to one another. Whatever sins you forgive or not , the same is done in heaven.

Who do you confess your sins to?

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#706 Jul 5, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and what did Jesus teach as being requirements? Not men, but Jesus - as recorded to have said by the very men He prayed to have total recall of His teachings by the very Spirit of Truth?
Do you speak for Jesus/ What is your authority. When scripture says bring it to the Church, why do you bring such issues?
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#707 Jul 5, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Henry Gregory Adams speak for God? Does God want everybody in the world to believe like him?
Also you claim that Catholics are not secure in the salvation belief and now you quote somebody that says we are .
Which one is it?
I almost spilled my coffee on my lap- just kidding I don't drink coffee. Still funny how you twist things.

Roman Catholics might readily agree that we must be saved by grace. But if you know what they mean by the term "grace," you will see that they do not agree at all! Their church teaches that this grace is stored in a heavenly container and flows into the souls of the faithful through the sacraments of the Roman church. They believe that no salvation is possible, unless dispensed by a Roman priest!
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#708 Jul 5, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Only if you confess to your sins and truly mean it. That is what we mean by make a good confession.. How do you know if your sins are forgiven unless somebody tells you?
Confess your sins to one another. Whatever sins you forgive or not , the same is done in heaven.
Who do you confess your sins to?
When it comes to confession of sin, believers are told in 1 John 1:9 to confess their sins to God. God is faithful and just to forgive our sins as we confess them to Him. James 5:16 speaks of confessing our trespasses “to one another,” but this is not the same as confessing sins to a priest as the Roman Catholic Church teaches. Priests / church leaders are nowhere mentioned in the context of James 5:16. Further, James 5:16 does not link forgiveness of sins with the confession of sins “to one another.”

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