Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#141 Mar 16, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>
So Catholics really rely heavily on the theology of Paul? Very like to any Protestant - but unlike anything Jesus did teach as recorded by the twelve.... interesting?
Jesus started a Church built upon Peter. Peter accepted Paul. The Church picked Paul's writings to be in the Bible as the inerrant written word of God.

If you listen to Jesus then you have to accept his Church because whoever hears the Church hears him.

You listen to yourself.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#142 Mar 16, 2014
No, I absolutely am not listening to myself. I spent many years immersed in His teaching only to thoroughly grasp the mission and vision He came to make good on. Taking HIM at His word is the most enlightening thing I've done in my lifetime. The Apostles also took Him at His word, and were charged to teach disciples made whatever He had first entrusted to them of the Doctrine of God that He spoke.

No wonder, now that I'm getting the picture of how few give mind, heart or soul to abide in His teachings.

Caltholics are the original Protestants - they couldn't abide in the light of His words, so they instituted a doctrine of "Follow the Pope", just as LDS have of "Follow the LDS Prophet", protestants as "Follow whatever you want to choose from Paul," or CoC to "Follow Alexander Campbell and your local preacher or eldership"....

Few pay attention to what Jesus taught. Those who abide in His word are never alone and certainly not deceived to follow any other man.
William

Albertville, AL

#143 Mar 16, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
Jesus started a Church built upon Peter. Peter accepted Paul. The Church picked Paul's writings to be in the Bible as the inerrant written word of God.
You need to ask your infallible church how come Peter in Acts 2 never preached saved by grace through faith, and not of works.

Quite the opposite was preached.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#144 Mar 16, 2014
William wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to ask your infallible church how come Peter in Acts 2 never preached saved by grace through faith, and not of works.
Quite the opposite was preached.
You must believe the Bible is not the inerrant written word of God. You only believe the parts that fit in your personal beliefs.

Filled with Holy Spirit, on his first official day on the job, I believe Peter said exactly what God told him too. He converted 3000 that day.

Every verse in the Bible is the inerrant written word of God. And you don't believe that. You believe God was to tell Peter to preach what he preached

This is a great example of Sola Scriptura. You worship a Bible and yet you think many parts of it are wrong.

There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong. Peter did not preach the wrong message at anytime.
William

Birmingham, AL

#145 Mar 16, 2014
"There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong. Peter did not preach the wrong message at anytime."

That is a true statement.

But the fact remains. He did not preach saved by grace through faith, and not of works. What he told them was 180 degrees different than what Paul preached.

Things that are different are not the same thing.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#146 Mar 16, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
You must believe the Bible is not the inerrant written word of God. You only believe the parts that fit in your personal beliefs.
Filled with Holy Spirit, on his first official day on the job, I believe Peter said exactly what God told him too. He converted 3000 that day.
Every verse in the Bible is the inerrant written word of God. And you don't believe that. You believe God was to tell Peter to preach what he preached
This is a great example of Sola Scriptura. You worship a Bible and yet you think many parts of it are wrong.
There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong. Peter did not preach the wrong message at anytime.
Mike, we all have pretty much the same Bible - same OT, same NT. Minor variations are in the translations/versions, but largely consistent in being inconsistent with the same inconsistencies.

Jesus taught belief that works. John the Baptist taught the same. Moses and all the prophets taught this too - belief that does the works of God that God said we should do. All the twelve we have record of taught this as well, and they held to the teachings of Jesus.

Only Paul said it is of grace alone, or faith alone, and that the faith that saves is without works. Hebrews testifies that anyone risks greater peril to ignore the gospel Jesus preached than what the word from God to Moses was. Even putting aside the author of Hebrews said angels instituted the Law to Moses, when Moses said God did, Hebrews does acknowledge the need to keep the teachings of Jesus as did John in I and II John, the Gospel of John, and the Revelation of Jesus Christ. All testify as John the Baptist did, that those who believe will be saved, but those who do not obey are condemned. The only way this can make any sense is that belief obeys... not belief without obediance...not "faith" that is without the works to show repentance to do the will of God.

So how can Paul have been true when he said salvation is of faith without works?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#147 Mar 16, 2014
William wrote:
"There is nothing in the Bible that is wrong. Peter did not preach the wrong message at anytime."
That is a true statement.
But the fact remains. He did not preach saved by grace through faith, and not of works. What he told them was 180 degrees different than what Paul preached.
Things that are different are not the same thing.
Paul preached no works of the law

So the Bible is not the inerrant word of God according to you. For you and BW, either Peter and Paul were wrong.

Asinine .Just 2 protesters reading the same Catholic book they bought at a bookstore and coming to absolutely 2 different conclusions and yet you think Jesus left us a self teaching book.

Paul said not of works of the law. ie the Torah.

What is the question Jesus will ask at the final judgement?
William

Birmingham, AL

#148 Mar 16, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
Paul preached no works of the law.
Paul's gospel does include any works of any kind for salvation.

This is a very difficult thing for organized religion to wrap it's head around, because it cuts them (insert name of denomination here __________ completely out of the picture.

The church, the body of Christ, in unique to Paul's gospel and it is not foretold in the OT. It is made up solely of people who have trusted that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and resurrected for their justification apart from any and all works of any kind.

Not of works, lest ANY should boast. If you could work for your salvation or add your works to what Christ did on the cross, then God would be indebted to you. And that's never going to happen.
Mike Peterson

Hattiesburg, MS

#149 Mar 17, 2014
William wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul's gospel does include any works of any kind for salvation.
This is a very difficult thing for organized religion to wrap it's head around, because it cuts them (insert name of denomination here __________ completely out of the picture.
The church, the body of Christ, in unique to Paul's gospel and it is not foretold in the OT. It is made up solely of people who have trusted that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and resurrected for their justification apart from any and all works of any kind.
Not of works, lest ANY should boast. If you could work for your salvation or add your works to what Christ did on the cross, then God would be indebted to you. And that's never going to happen.
You are definitely an EITHER/OR Bible reader. You only believe part of the Bible. You don't believe Jesus started a physical church.

You think it is some mystical thing and that the HS has designated you as your own Pope.

What a dumb idea that Jesus would have left a book in charge. A book!!! You worship a book.

When you put your Green on today to remember a great Catholic hero, think about coming home to the Church Jesus built on Peter.

Be a sheep instead of being your shepherd.

A book!!!! You worship ink on paper. A Catholic book too. Completely bizarre.

When you read it what spirit talks to you. There are 3 . The Holy, human, and evil ones.

In your case , it is most definitely human to you. You are your own Pope.

A book?????

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#150 Mar 17, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are definitely an EITHER/OR Bible reader. You only believe part of the Bible. You don't believe Jesus started a physical church.
You think it is some mystical thing and that the HS has designated you as your own Pope.
What a dumb idea that Jesus would have left a book in charge. A book!!! You worship a book.
When you put your Green on today to remember a great Catholic hero, think about coming home to the Church Jesus built on Peter.
Be a sheep instead of being your shepherd.
A book!!!! You worship ink on paper. A Catholic book too. Completely bizarre.
When you read it what spirit talks to you. There are 3 . The Holy, human, and evil ones.
In your case , it is most definitely human to you. You are your own Pope.
A book?????
Christ built a church on a human. Baloney.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#151 Mar 17, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Christ built a church on a human. Baloney.
So God was wrong in the OT right? He had humans always in charge. No books. Do you want their names?

Please show me where Jesus said he would build his Church upon a book? Of course he wouldn't.

A book??

Right there in the Catholic book you read, he changes Simon's name to Rock, first person in history to be named that, and said I will be build my church on you and evil will not prevail. 2000 years later and it is still here.

A book???

Nobody could read until the printing press in 1470 and Jesus was going to build his Church on some pieces of parchment and ink that was not to come into existence for 350 more years.

A book???

Does everybody that reads this book come to the same conclusion? If the answer is no, then according to you, Jesus was a failure in creating his Church.
William

Birmingham, AL

#152 Mar 17, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
When you put your Green on today to remember a great Catholic hero, think about coming home to the Church Jesus built on Peter.
No green today. I don't need to observe yet another holiday dedicated to getting drunk.

And since this holiday falls during the time of Lent, do Catholics get a one day hall pass for being able to get falling down drunk during the 40 days? After seeing the coverage of the annual parade up in Boston, the clown on top of the Catholic float dressed like the pope sure looked like he might need an extra day or two to get back to repenting.

Nice to see the church that Jesus built in action. Again.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#153 Mar 17, 2014
William wrote:
<quoted text>
No green today. I don't need to observe yet another holiday dedicated to getting drunk.
And since this holiday falls during the time of Lent, do Catholics get a one day hall pass for being able to get falling down drunk during the 40 days? After seeing the coverage of the annual parade up in Boston, the clown on top of the Catholic float dressed like the pope sure looked like he might need an extra day or two to get back to repenting.
Nice to see the church that Jesus built in action. Again.
I am glad you took time to enjoy it. I am not Irish myself.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#154 Apr 6, 2014
Baptists are Calvinists. Will Calvinists be in heaven? Are we to think God will annul what He declared good? And can we know Calvin by his fruits?

God isn't mocked, and anyone who wants to be saved has to repent to do as He said - no perversion of His word by man or Satan will save anyone.

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whatshappening

Kingsport, TN

#155 Apr 7, 2014
"Will Baptist go to heaven"? Not a chance.
1. They wear the wrong name.
Ac 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
2. They believe salvation is by "faith only."
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3. They are in the wrong body.
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
4. They haven't obeyed from the heart the form of doctrine that saves.
Ro 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Conclusion: According to God's word, and God cannot lie (Tit.1:2), "Baptist" will not be in heaven, neither "Methodist" "Lutheran" "Roman Catholic" "Mormon" "Jehovah witness" "Presbyterian" "Pentecostal holiness" "Seven day adventst" etc. etc. etc.
Only Christians will be in heaven.
Ac 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#156 Apr 7, 2014
whatshappening wrote:
"Will Baptist go to heaven"? Not a chance.
1. They wear the wrong name.
Ac 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
2. They believe salvation is by "faith only."
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3. They are in the wrong body.
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
4. They haven't obeyed from the heart the form of doctrine that saves.
Ro 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Conclusion: According to God's word, and God cannot lie (Tit.1:2), "Baptist" will not be in heaven, neither "Methodist" "Lutheran" "Roman Catholic" "Mormon" "Jehovah witness" "Presbyterian" "Pentecostal holiness" "Seven day adventst" etc. etc. etc.
Only Christians will be in heaven.
Ac 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Why are half of the members of the Church you think you described above in Tenn and Texas?

Name just one member from your church from AD100 to AD 1700 . A COCer cannot do it. Been asking for years.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#157 Apr 8, 2014
Just look at how many "proof texts" of the "Restored Gospel of Alexander Campbell" cite Paul as the author of their doctrine, and not Jesus Christ.

This is why they are a dieing Church. Except one abides in Him and He in them, they are cast off and wither.

What accord does love find with commandments? This is one of the deepest topics He taught about throughout His earthly ministry and through to the end of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. The best section to learn about this may be John chapters 14 and 15. It is highly recommended to read both of these chapters to understand the fact that love for God is shown through our desire to hear and do as He has said. The conclusion is in 15:1-27:

(AENT, Netzari Press LLC)I am the Vine of Truth and my Father is the Cultivator. Every branch that is on me that does not give fruit, He takes it away. And that which bears fruit He prunes it that it might produce more fruit. You are already pruned because of the word which I have spoken with you. Abide in me and I in you, as the branch is not able to produce fruit by itself unless it should abide in the vine. Likewise you are also not able unless you abide in me. I am the Vine and you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, this man will produce plentiful fruit because without me you are not able to do anything. Now unless a man abide in me, he is cast aside like a branch that is withered and they pluck it and place it into the fire that it may burn. Now if you abide in me and my words abide in you, anything that you desire to ask will be given to you. In this the Father is glorified that you bear abundant fruit and that you be my disciples. As my Father has loved me, so too I have loved you. Abide in my love. If you keep my Commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept the Commandments of my Father, and I abide in his love. I have spoken these things with you that my joy may be in you and that your joy might be full in you. This is my Commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you. There is no love that is greater than this that a man lay down his life for the sake of his friends. You are my friends if you do all that I commanded you. But, I have called you my friends because everything that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. You have not chosen me but I am the one who has chosen you. And I have appointed you that you should also go and produce fruit, and that your fruit might remain. That all that you ask of my Father in my name He will give you. These things I commanded you, that you should love one another. And if the world hates you, know that it hates me before you. And if you are of the world, the world would love its own. But you are not of the world for I have chosen you from the world. Because of this, the world hates you. Remember the word which I have spoken to you. That there is no servant who is greater than his master. If they persecute me, they will also persecute you. And if they keep my word, they will also keep yours. But all these things they will do to you because of my name, for they do not know He who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no holocaust upon the face of their sin. Whoever hates me also hates my Father. And if I had not done works before their eyes that no other man has done, they would have no sin. But now they have both seen and hated both me and even my Father. That the Word might be fulfilled which is written in their Torah that They hated me without reason. But when the Redeemer comes, He Whom I will send to you from the presence of my Father, the Spirit of Truth, He Who proceeds from the presence of my Father will witness concerning me. You will also testify, for you were with me from the start.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#158 Apr 8, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
Just look at how many "proof texts" of the "Restored Gospel of Alexander Campbell" cite Paul as the author of their doctrine, and not Jesus Christ.

This is why they are a dieing Church. Except one abides in Him and He in them, they are cast off and wither.

What accord does love find with commandments? This is one of the deepest topics He taught about throughout His earthly ministry and through to the end of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. The best section to learn about this may be John chapters 14 and 15. It is highly recommended to read both of these chapters to understand the fact that love for God is shown through our desire to hear and do as He has said. The conclusion is in 15:1-27:

(AENT, Netzari Press LLC)“I am the Vine of Truth and my Father is the Cultivator. Every branch that is on me that does not give fruit, He takes it away. And that which bears fruit He prunes it that it might produce more fruit. You are already pruned because of the word which I have spoken with you. Abide in me and I in you, as the branch is not able to produce fruit by itself unless it should abide in the vine. Likewise you are also not able unless you abide in me. I am the Vine and you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, this man will produce plentiful fruit because without me you are not able to do anything. Now unless a man abide in me, he is cast aside like a branch that is withered and they pluck it and place it into the fire that it may burn. Now if you abide in me and my words abide in you, anything that you desire to ask will be given to you. In this the Father is glorified that you bear abundant fruit and that you be my disciples. As my Father has loved me, so too I have loved you. Abide in my love. If you keep my Commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept the Commandments of my Father, and I abide in his love. I have spoken these things with you that my joy may be in you and that your joy might be full in you. This is my Commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you. There is no love that is greater than this that a man lay down his life for the sake of his friends. You are my friends if you do all that I commanded you. But, I have called you my friends because everything that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. You have not chosen me but I am the one who has chosen you. And I have appointed you that you should also go and produce fruit, and that your fruit might remain. That all that you ask of my Father in my name He will give you. These things I commanded you, that you should love one another. And if the world hates you, know that it hates me before you. And if you are of the world, the world would love its own. But you are not of the world for I have chosen you from the world. Because of this, the world hates you. Remember the word which I have spoken to you. That there is no servant who is greater than his master. If they persecute me, they will also persecute you. And if they keep my word, they will also keep yours. But all these things they will do to you because of my name, for they do not know He who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no holocaust upon the face of their sin. Whoever hates me also hates my Father. And if I had not done works before their eyes that no other man has done, they would have no sin. But now they have both seen and hated both me and even my Father. That the Word might be fulfilled which is written in their Torah that ‘They hated me without reason.’ But when the Redeemer comes, He Whom I will send to you from the presence of my Father, the Spirit of Truth, He Who proceeds from the presence of my Father will witness concerning me. You will also testify, for you were with me from the start.”
Jesus' words said to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Why don't you do that?
William

Birmingham, AL

#159 Apr 8, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
Jesus' words said to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Why don't you do that?
Jesus' words said to keep the commandments and sell out everything you own, give the proceeds to the poor, and follow him in order to have treasure in heaven. The repentant, believing Israelites in Acts 2 sold out and had all things common.

Why haven't any of you done this, be ye Catholic or Protestant?

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#160 Apr 8, 2014
William wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus' words said to keep the commandments and sell out everything you own, give the proceeds to the poor, and follow him in order to have treasure in heaven. The repentant, believing Israelites in Acts 2 sold out and had all things common.
Why haven't any of you done this, be ye Catholic or Protestant?
Keep going.

Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said to him,
"You are lacking in one thing.

What was that one thing?

Then who can be saved?"
Jesus looked at them and said,
"For human beings it is impossible, but not for God.

Now what about this?

But the Ethiopian said. " How can I understand unless somebody teaches me"?"

Somebody needs to teach you very badly. Scripture is profitable for teaching.

By whom? The Church.

You believe anybody can go to a local bookstore and buy a Catholic book and self interpret.

Bizzare, SS is completely bizarre,.

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