pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#223 Jul 1, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes...plus his refusal to use our own energy resources and to make a major across the board cut in the size of the federal government and spending.
Can you get the Rush Limbaugh program on your radio? If you can't it's easily found on line. Listening to it will save you a lot of trouble, open your eyes and possibly change your life M-F 12:00-3:00 EDT
i catch the Rush show for about an hour five days a week. He's a fear monger, not to mention just an ugly individual.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#224 Jul 1, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholic Churches, Schools, Hospitals, and Charities are all threatened by the SSA agenda and ObamaCare.
They have fed more people, provided more water for more people, clothed more people, gave more medical care to more people than any organization in the history of the world.
Well, since the church is one of the oldest and richest charitable organizations in the world that could make sense. But since they don't release the kind of information you refer to, we really can't say. Have you been to the Vatican, probably so, we can see the wealth, yet we still see starvation, right on their local level. Where's the priority?

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#225 Jul 1, 2013
Bobby wrote:
I see the problem as being insurance companies, lawyers and politicians. There is almost impossible to go to a doctor or a dentist without insurance. A good while ago, when I turned 65 my company insurance dropped me, I found it very difficult to find a doctor who could speak good english who would take me on medicare. Before that I needed a tooth pulled and I did not have dental insurance but I had money. It was almost impossible to find a dentist who would accept my money.
Today there is insurance for our pets and it cost almost as much as for people. Politicians set the rules and most of them are lawyers. Insurance companies lave lawyers and sue each other. They all feed off the common folks. Try firing any of them-we can't.
It is a joke to make fun of my community's snaggley teeth - how embarrassing to actually be missing a tooth to further that stereotype. Truth is: most of us have NO dental insurance. That sort of thing is a luxury. Our local dentists are sympathetic and allow a discount to folks with no insurance - I am used to paying for dental work out of pocket and also vision care. I have not had insurance for those things for many years. Still, paying the full amount for dental and vision services is not necessarily more expensive than purchasing insurance. I consider it a "living expense". I gamble that I won't have any outrageously priced dental or vision needs - even if I do, I can live without my teeth or my vision. No cancer treatment will kill me.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#226 Jul 1, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are ok with going to your next door neighbor and demanding at the point of a gun that he fork over his cash so you can take care of your family. IT IS NOT SOCIETY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE YOU OR YOUR KID WITH HEALTHCARE. How can you be an American and possibly think this? Maybe if you spent less time typing all your crap and more time improving yourself and working harder you would not have to have someone else's resources forcibly redistributed to you. Atlas Shrugged.
So are you your brothers keeper or not? If so, then what's the complaint? If not, don't send out the missionaries and drop the abortion issue.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#227 Jul 1, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>i catch the Rush show for about an hour five days a week. He's a fear monger, not to mention just an ugly individual.
I would rather gouge out my ears that to listen to that man's show. I once knew someone who LOVED that show and played it at any given opportunity! He is the one who called me a communist!

Like a russian communist? Yep, just like 'em.

He inspired me to read up on communism.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#228 Jul 1, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave, what role do you think homosexual people have played throughout history? Will you admit that no matter what homosexual activity was happening, it could not have been well documented? This is the result of an ongoing community who keeps homosexuality a secret.
Pearl, do you think federally legalizing marriage will bring about repercussions like forcing churches to perform gay weddings? How would you describe the "gay agenda"?
Since you asked, I believe almost anything is possible, except for the mono-theist concept of a God. Repercussion always happen, The Mormon Church was not willing to lose their tax-exempt status involving the exemption of black men holding the priesthood. They have since included black men in the priesthood,{they claimed their prophet had a revelation} even took out of their Book of Mormon the claim of black skin being the mark of Cain. It was a sad day for many latter day saints. That's why I agreed with the Christian poster that maybe it would be best for them to go underground.{It wasn't my idea} But since their ways are corrupt, it is a sign to go underground, ya know like the mob or the KKK. As far as a gay agenda I would think it would be the pursuit of happiness.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#229 Jul 1, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Well, since the church is one of the oldest and richest charitable organizations in the world that could make sense. But since they don't release the kind of information you refer to, we really can't say. Have you been to the Vatican, probably so, we can see the wealth, yet we still see starvation, right on their local level. Where's the priority?
The Catholic Church is the most open organization in the World. Just takes a little research.

What Wealth are you talking about.

The Catholic Church is the caretaker of many treasures of art and architecture, created all over the world by Christians to praise God. These goods are worth money, but they are really priceless, and by being in the hands of the Church who created them, they are available to all. Selling all the goods of the Church, all of which are in the hands of small congregations of Christians and are the patrimony from their ancestors, would bring in some money, of course, but it would take even more money to replace the buildings, and they would have no art to inspire.

The Church does not have much money (the Vatican was in the red recently), and most of what she collects she gives to the poor. She is the largest provider of social services.

Henry VIII and Elizabeth had the same idea you did, so they closed down all the monasteries and seized their treasures. As a result, the entire social welfare and hospital system of England was shut down.(The monasteries were the entire social welfare and hospital system of England.) The result was a horrible misery, which lasted through the time of Dickens, who wrote about the mean-spirited non-Christian attitudes of the Protestant society that was excessively individualistic.

In addition, the treasures that were stolen from the Church were handed out to cronies and became the basis for an unjust class system. Usually when people want to despoil the Church to help the poor (when the Church does most of the helping of the poor to begin with), they really just want to despoil the Church.

As for the Vatican Library, it is open. Many items are ancient and delicate, most are in foreign languages, and some, I believe, still need cataloguing.

I guess to sum up, it is right to say that the Church is the custodian of much great art created for the service and praise of God.

If this art were in the hands of private individuals, it would not be available for all, or it would be destroyed.
If it were in the hands of states, it would be seen intermittently, and subject to political turmoil and war.
It is not liquid wealth, and even if the Church wanted to sell it for the poor, there would be no one who could buy it!!!
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#230 Jul 1, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
I would rather gouge out my ears that to listen to that man's show. I once knew someone who LOVED that show and played it at any given opportunity! He is the one who called me a communist!
Like a russian communist? Yep, just like 'em.
He inspired me to read up on communism.
It works in this order:

First a person becomes a liberal then he progresses to socialism which is where you are now and the next step of progression is communism.

Then there is totalitarianism-hope we never get there.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#231 Jul 1, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>It's about consent, surely you have heard this concept before. It's an important aspect, one shouldn't keep disregarding.
There are situations where consent could be present or absence in any of those distinctive acts. The fact remains from our perspective it appears God has declared these acts illegal. Consent in these acts does not justify them.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#232 Jul 1, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>I was replying to your comment about our language being distorted, since you missed the point,{understandable} I'll clarify; marriage has been used in the field of legal contracts. It is the extreme Christian right who has changed the definition. Understand now?
I understand I hit a nerve. I would say I am sorry but since I am not, I wont.
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/...

The word marriage is never used in legal contracts describing the joining of corporations. What your naive little mind is referring to is the slang used by the distorted views of our news reporters. They also were fast and free using it in gay relationships. No the extreme right did not change the definition of marriage, it has always been man and woman until recently. Since the Supreme Court decision I have noticed the definition has been changed by some online dictionaries. It is really hard to define marriage now. I think defining it as "nothing" is now appropriate since the institution has been destroyed. The only thing you have accomplished in this is destruction of an institution. Now that you have gained your redefinition of marriage, you have nothing.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#233 Jul 1, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>There you go reading those gay minds again. When the gay community starts knocking on my door to "convert" me then you might have a leg to stand on.
The gay community has been knocking on doors for some time converting nitwits and has been very successful at it. Most of them aren't even aware they have been converted.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#234 Jul 1, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
It works in this order:
First a person becomes a liberal then he progresses to socialism which is where you are now and the next step of progression is communism.
Then there is totalitarianism-hope we never get there.
Wiki say: Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.

I think you are correct, I must be a liberal.

Wiki say: Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these

Hmm, I'm not so much on board anymore. What makes you think I have arrived at this plataeu? Ownership exists - I accept that - I don't think my ideas were headed in this direction.

Wiki say: Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless[1][2] and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order

I have seen communism work on a very small scale - between honest, consenting friends and families. It fails as soon as someone proves to be untrustworthy. This is not a good way to manage a country - it is a good way to manage a folk band.

What kind of government do I think we should have? Uh, one that is not corrupt and controlled by money and power. Which one is that?

I don't think it matters what I want - the government will be what it turns out to be - I'm focused on the effects of what the government is doing. It has benefited me in many ways throughout the years. Remember when Bush sent us all $800 per kid? Thanks, government. This year, the government is giving away school lunches. Alright! No lunch bill! And now the government is selling cheap health insurance. It is appealing to me.

Does that make me a worthless rogue? I work very hard for very little. I do it with joy because it is how I serve my community and set an example for young people. If the government is trying to HELP me - I am a fool to reject it.

You must be really angry that the government is throwing your money around. The problem is the government - not the people benefiting from the government sponsored programs. They are accepting what is offered to them. My advice is to depend on the government as little as possible - the government is untrustworthy, you may someday be betrayed.

Don't you think our government is trying to make us all dependent on it? They keep offering more and more. I always imagine: what would happen if the government suddenly stopped paying for everything? Could I still have food, shelter, electricity, water? Yep, I'm good. If the government stopped paying for things, the chaos that would follow would make my sudden lack of health insurance an insignificant problem.

Wiki say: Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system in which the state holds total authority over the society and seeks to control all aspects of public and private life whenever necessary.

Now that sounds completely lame.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#235 Jul 1, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose you are speaking of civil unions?
Actually, no, civil unions are for gay people. I was suggesting a contract for ALL people.

Why don't heterosexual people have civil unions?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#236 Jul 1, 2013
Back to the subject of this thread...

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/denmark-forc...

Nah, that'll never happen. They just want the paperwork right?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#237 Jul 1, 2013

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#238 Jul 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
"It's a logical business decision". Please tell me that's not your true opinion of the abortion issue.
Is it just as easy to tell someone "Hey! You make good money. Pay for this poor woman to have an abortion"? Equality my foot on that one. Make people pay for something they consider murder? That's evil.
Alright - you are mad at people who have abortions that the government volunteers to pay for when you should be mad at the government for volunteering to pay for it. I advise all women to not have abortions, but women will or won't take my advice - I can't help it. I don't want to finance murder - either by abortion, death penalty, or war - buuuuut... the government is taking the money it says we owe them and doing with it whatever they please. Be angry at your government, not the citizens.

Government funded abortion IS a good business decision. It is cheaper to fund an abortion that to support a living person. You want to degrade people who are dependent on the government - the government is trying to prevent even MORE people to be dependent on it. It is not a moral or heart-warming thing to do - business decisions are cold and non-caring. Businesses don't have feelings.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#239 Jul 1, 2013
Mad at people? No. Sad and upset.
Mad at government? Yes.

Degrading people? Absolutely not. I have had help before too. My work ENCOURAGES people with kids to take the K-CHIP. I can't blame people; I've done it myself. Nothing wrong with help when you need it.

But-I got a better job, got off the assistance because I didn't want to be on it, depend on them for anything. Not everyone can just go get a higher paying job. I understand.

The problem becomes when we just accept it as normal, decide we're gonna take the money, then never get away from it. How many since 2008 soaked up "mail box money" and stayed home because it was easier getting paid to do nothing? MANY.

The government is trying to prevent even more people from being dependent on it- ASM, that's funny. Uncle Sam is trying to make as many people dependent on him as possible. Abortion is an "ethical" way of performing eugenics, purging the undesireables of society. There's a reason most abortions are performed on African-Americans. Forced sterilizations were also done too. And all of these things came mostly from the progressive, socialist, liberal side of the spectrum.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#240 Jul 2, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Wiki say: Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.
I think you are correct, I must be a liberal.
Wiki say: Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these
Hmm, I'm not so much on board anymore. What makes you think I have arrived at this plataeu? Ownership exists - I accept that - I don't think my ideas were headed in this direction.
Wiki say: Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless[1][2] and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order
I have seen communism work on a very small scale - between honest, consenting friends and families. It fails as soon as someone proves to be untrustworthy. This is not a good way to manage a country - it is a good way to manage a folk band.
What kind of government do I think we should have? Uh, one that is not corrupt and controlled by money and power. Which one is that?
I don't think it matters what I want - the government will be what it turns out to be - I'm focused on the effects of what the government is doing. It has benefited me in many ways throughout the years. Remember when Bush sent us all $800 per kid? Thanks, government. This year, the government is giving away school lunches. Alright! No lunch bill! And now the government is selling cheap health insurance. It is appealing to me.
Does that make me a worthless rogue? I work very hard for very little. I do it with joy because it is how I serve my community and set an example for young people. If the government is trying to HELP me - I am a fool to reject it.
You must be really angry that the government is throwing your money around. The problem is the government - not the people benefiting from the government sponsored programs. They are accepting what is offered to them. My advice is to depend on the government as little as possible - the government is untrustworthy, you may someday be betrayed.
Don't you think our government is trying to make us all dependent on it? They keep offering more and more. I always imagine: what would happen if the government suddenly stopped paying for everything? Could I still have food, shelter, electricity, water? Yep, I'm good. If the government stopped paying for things, the chaos that would follow would make my sudden lack of health insurance an insignificant problem.
Wiki say: Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system in which the state holds total authority over the society and seeks to control all aspects of public and private life whenever necessary.
Now that sounds completely lame.
Just remember this, the more power we give to government the less control we have over our own lives. We become useful idiots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#241 Jul 2, 2013
Dave: "The government is trying to prevent even more people from being dependent on it- ASM, that's funny. Uncle Sam is trying to make as many people dependent on him as possible. Abortion is an "ethical" way of performing eugenics, purging the undesireables of society. There's a reason most abortions are performed on African-Americans. Forced sterilizations were also done too. And all of these things came mostly from the progressive, socialist, liberal side of the spectrum."

Totally agree.

Why did God say be fruitful and multiply. To help grow the Kingdom of God.

Thank God Hispanics have not reached that point of 1 or 2 kids. They are our hope in America, if we can keep them Christian.

If not Mormons and Muslims will be the majority in a few hundred years if not sooner.

The liberals are not replacing themselves. Christians are barely.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#242 Jul 2, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
Dave: "The government is trying to prevent even more people from being dependent on it- ASM, that's funny. Uncle Sam is trying to make as many people dependent on him as possible. Abortion is an "ethical" way of performing eugenics, purging the undesireables of society. There's a reason most abortions are performed on African-Americans. Forced sterilizations were also done too. And all of these things came mostly from the progressive, socialist, liberal side of the spectrum."
Totally agree.
Why did God say be fruitful and multiply. To help grow the Kingdom of God.
Thank God Hispanics have not reached that point of 1 or 2 kids. They are our hope in America, if we can keep them Christian.
If not Mormons and Muslims will be the majority in a few hundred years if not sooner.
The liberals are not replacing themselves. Christians are barely.
This may not be popular, but I agree with you. Hispanics, Mexicans come into our country. That's a fact. We cannot and will not send them back, nor do we need to. Many Hispanics are God fearing individuals, most of them are probably catholic, and the vast majority are hard working people trying to feed their families.

Morally and spiritually speaking, we are better off with a country full of catholics than a nation full of people with no moral anchor.

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