Has your leadership started planning for the end of Open Church services?

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Since: Jul 12

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Jun 30, 2013
 
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So you don't have a mortgage or pay rent? You are too too much. My house was paid for but I moved and now have a mortgage and pay for private healthcare insurance. Looks like there is no "affordable" healthcare for you unless you expect a total stranger to go to work everyday and help you pay for it.
You are correct, I do not pay mortgage or rent. It is the reason that I live in this community. I take care of my disabled father-in-law. My mother-in-law lives nearby, when she is unable to care for herself, we will assume care of her. Aunts and brothers and a grandmother all live on the "family property" - we all inherited it, from my husband's ancestors. I am fortunate to have married into this family structure - I am fortunate to have been given a home, a home that we have continually share with our family. It is one way we provide for one another - aren't you glad you aren't paying our rent with your tax dollars? Inherited land and property are common reasons that people remain in a town with few opportunities.

I am able to have a low wage job because I have a low cost of living. I garden to lower food costs and control my expenses avidly. It is a fun challenge. During tough circumstances, we sacrificed cable and internet service. We eliminate entertainment costs by not "eating out" or going to theaters. I live a very modest life - I avoid materialism. The items I own are USEFUL to me. Most people are shocked at how inexpensively we live. Even our vacation consisted of renting a campsite and driving to trail-heads.

Our health insurance is our LARGEST bill. It takes up 1/3rd of our household income. There is a huge deductible so the actual benefits we receive from our outrageously expensive insurance is a tiny fraction. What am I paying for? I am footing the bill for someone else's medical expenses within this private insurance company. Why? Uh.. I'm supposed to? But look, the government understands that my circumstances are unreasonable - they are offering me health insurance that fits within my budget. Thanks, government! I needed that.

Quit acting like I'm mailing you my health insurance bill. You will pay the same amount of taxes whether or not I purchase government sponsored health insurance. The government decides how to spend your money, not me.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

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#204
Jun 30, 2013
 
ASM- Your advice is: move!? I am supposed to look at my community members and say: this town is just awful, we all need to move away from here.

Dave- as bad as it sounds, it is a viable option. Thousands of kids from EKY move from the mountains every year. I work with a kid who moved from the hills. Nothing there. Several years ago WVA had a program that the state would actually assist with costs for a family to move to an area that they could find work.

Don't all the young people from McDowell County WV all move away?

ASM- I'm hearing that taxpayers are not responsible to fund welfare!! Well, the government that our population elected has decided that you are responsible and your taxes WILL pay for it. Your government apparently decided your tax dollars will purchase abortions as well. Why are you mad at ME about it?

Dave- I for one am not mad at you over this Obamacare stuff. I am not happy about the healthcare law at all, and a majority of Americans agree with me. Again, because the government deems something doesn't make it right. Honestly, to many people like myself and Mark and others, it seems to be a giant slap in the face.

My health insurance rates will rise, if I don't completely lose it and be forced to take the government dole or pay a fine, which grows every year. The services provided will be greatly decreased in quality. If a procedure isn't approved as being cost effective for my age I probably won't receive it. And at the same time many people who could have had insurance if they wanted it before, now receive a new government benefit partly at my expense.

Robin Hood wasn't a hero; he was a thief. Forcefully taking from someone to give to someone else isn't charity or welfare, it's robbery.
Dave P

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#205
Jun 30, 2013
 
You act as if I asked for some government sponsored health care - no, I have always been offered health insurance as an employee benefit - lucky me! It is VERY expensive even though my employer pays a portion of it. Private insurance outside of my employee benefits is substantially MORE expensive than what I already pay! I could easily foot the bill for my own medical expenses for much less than I pay for insurance. But it is irresponsible for me to go without insurance - what if.. cancer, brain injury, kidney failure - those medical bills would ruin me! I would just have to die.

Welcome to the party. No different than most of us here. An overnight hospital stay or ER visit is enough to ruin many people in this area. Say hello to the permanent underclass Mark mentioned that the good old socialist, er Democrat party has built.

So you have insurance, but are thinking of dropping it to go on the government program?

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Royse City

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#206
Jul 1, 2013
 
Romans 1:26-27

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Bobby

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I see the problem as being insurance companies, lawyers and politicians. There is almost impossible to go to a doctor or a dentist without insurance. A good while ago, when I turned 65 my company insurance dropped me, I found it very difficult to find a doctor who could speak good english who would take me on medicare. Before that I needed a tooth pulled and I did not have dental insurance but I had money. It was almost impossible to find a dentist who would accept my money.

Today there is insurance for our pets and it cost almost as much as for people. Politicians set the rules and most of them are lawyers. Insurance companies lave lawyers and sue each other. They all feed off the common folks. Try firing any of them-we can't.
Bobby

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Cradle to grave-they own us. And when we die they will tax our estate if we have anything left. If you stop paying taxes on your home they will eventually evict you. I have a lake lot that is in a flood zone, the taxes are costing more that it is worth so I stopped paying the taxes because I can't sell it. Not sure how that will turn out.
Bobby

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Oh yea, everybody says there ought to be a law for this or that-well that is how we got to where we are.
Dave P

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Not much different from having a king is it?

Since: Jul 12

Pineville, WV

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Jul 1, 2013
 
Dave P wrote:
Dave- as bad as it sounds, it is a viable option. Thousands of kids from EKY move from the mountains every year. I work with a kid who moved from the hills. Nothing there. Several years ago WVA had a program that the state would actually assist with costs for a family to move to an area that they could find work.
I may have made my situation seem more hopeless than I should have, in the heat of defending my lifestyle. If I leave, I leave behind my husband's family who NEEDED us so badly, that they gave us a house. When we moved here, I sort of made an agreement - I promised not to leave - it was not a "legal" agreement, just one that I choose to honor (like fake gay marriages, JKJK). If my circumstances demand that I move from here - I don't get to sell the house. It will be given to another family member. Legally, I suppose I COULD sell it and keep the money - but wouldn't I be the most ungrateful, selfish, rotten person for doing it?? It would be a good "business decision" but a horrible thing for me to actually do.

According to MarkEden's advice: I should pack up my possessions and that last kid I have hanging around the house and move away, leave my job and get a better one, make more money and rent a NICE house, let my kid finish school at a BETTER school with lots of people, people who know how to support their families without asking the GOVERNMENT to help - that would be the WORST thing I could do when I leave my family to worry about themselves.That advice is bad!

Does you community disappoint you in any way? Oh, I have an idea: move! The other circumstances in your life don't matter, just find a place to call your own, somewhere far, far, away from anything that bothers you.

Where is this place I should move to? NYC? Charleston, WV? Beckley, WV? McDowell County? Which place do you think I could afford to move to?

Hmm, should I purchase some affordable health care or move away? C'mon!

I'll agree that this county has few opportunities. I may have lead you to believe that it has NO opportunities and that is an exaggeration.

The "Coal Field Expressway" will be a major road that will lead folks straight to our county (Wyoming Co) and McDowell County as well. It has been "in the works" for a long time and progress gets halted again and again when funds run out. Certainly, it will be finished within this decade. It will make our isolated area finally accessible - accessible to large trucks, fast transportation - we are now at a disadvantage because of our tiny, very curvy roads.

Our most profitable business would be the "Hatfield McCoy" trail that passes near Pineville and crosses southern WV - on 4 wheelers! The tourism that the trail has attracted has spawned a series of new businesses, a gas station, some restaurants - but all centered in Pineville.

But this town will soon have MANY opportunities. Businesses WANT opportunities! It is hard to seem hopeful and excited when everyone is expecting our economy to collapse and for war to break out everywhere! Oh, no! It is hard to be proud of our honest, dedicated young people who have patiently watched their efforts lead to new schools, parks, and community improvement while movie directors are filming our most undesirable people and pretending that we are ALL just like that. Are we SOME just like that? Obviously,it has been proven so. We KNOW that drug abuse and crime are a big problem - that doesn't mean we should run off and let the junkies have the town. Look at how this town NEEDS us to stay. It will not be a profitable thing for people to do - hang around a dying town and wait for the road to come - but I aim to do it, even by purchasing affordable health care coverage (or not, I still have not come to that real decision). The government has made it available for people exactly like me.

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pearl

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MarkEden wrote:
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I went to Washington DC twice to protest Obamacare. Anyone claiming it will be "affordable" has a screw loose and the "train wreck" is about to happen. As for the rest of your post I think it's important to realize, and some folks really and truly don't, that heterosexuals engage in the identical sexual activities as some gay men. Not all heterosexuals do and, funny thing, not all gay people do either. What I resent like hell is having to help pay for abortions for women who are behaving like cats in heat.
Yeah, I don't like having my tax dollars go to paying a minister who serves and has an office in the hall of congress, so I get your point. Now that legal abortion has been the law of the land for decades and the public certainly didn't put atheists in any federal offices until this last major election, you can go ahead and blame the Christian political arena in this country for the right to an abortion.
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Jul 1, 2013
 
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text> You need to add a "P" and an "BA" for pedophile and bestiality attracted individuals, so we do not discriminate against them. They will be the next to obtain their rights. God makes this simple and cuts right to the point of the matter. God sums it up in one word, the Greek word "pornia".
It's about consent, surely you have heard this concept before. It's an important aspect, one shouldn't keep disregarding.
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Jul 1, 2013
 
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So gay pride marches, flags, and marriage with equal status has been a dream of homosexuals from the beginning of time? Not outrunning the angry mob with stones?
The behavior is not new. Trying to make it an acceptable normal part of life is new.
Nothing new under the sun, right?
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Jul 1, 2013
 
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>That have the freedom to practice as they please today. Every step they take is intended to make it acceptable. It will never happen in the real church. Only option left? Destroy the real church? By real church I mean the temple or body God's Spirit resides in today, not a building or denomination. Simply put, homosexuality is wrong and will always be wrong to a follower of Christ.
Surely your faith is strong, no need to be feel threatened.

Since: Jul 12

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Dave P wrote:
Welcome to the party. No different than most of us here. An overnight hospital stay or ER visit is enough to ruin many people in this area. Say hello to the permanent underclass Mark mentioned that the good old socialist, er Democrat party has built.
So you have insurance, but are thinking of dropping it to go on the government program?
Every year, my insurance rates increase or my deductible increases. When I began to work for this company, health insurance was a benefit available to full time workers - every year there are rumors that our company cannot afford to keep offering us health care benefits. This time, the threat is even more realistic - as my co-workers will disgustedly explain, the company will not be able to afford it because of OBAMACARE. Maybe that is true - it just makes their opinion suspect when they go around blaming OBAMACARE for everything that is happening with our economy. We are now experiencing the effects of economic actions that have long passed - Obamacare is very recent and the effects of it will be felt in the future. Maybe next year, when I might find myself shopping for health insurance.

However, even if my company DOES offer continued coverage - I don't know if I can afford to purchase it. Again, my income is not predicted to increase - there does not seem to be a job promotion in my near future - however, my life expenses are very steadily increasing - not just one, all of them. Maybe I am especially feeling the "crunch" of the economy because my budget is so small - subtle changes make a real difference to me. The economy is driving my cost of living to increase - it is the economy's fault that I need to cut costs - the affordable health care is a program to help me solve this problem. The government must have predicted that the economy was going to do this to me..drive up my costs, while allowing few opportunities to increase my income to compensate. And so, the government is trying to help me - am I such a pig-head that I am too proud to allow myself to be helped? You may be - I am not.

If you are angry about how the government spends their money, you should stop paying them taxes. See how that works out for you.

It is the ECONOMY'S fault that private health insurance is so outrageously priced. Why can't my company afford to provide their employees with benefits, like they always have before? Apparently, it will be less expensive, a better "business decision", to pay a fine for NOT providing it - forcing their employees to be in need of affordable health care. It is true that you can purchase a equal policy at about 1/3rd the cost of buying it from a private company. The government's goal is to put the private companies out of business, since they were charging too much for their product. It will work because it is logical, not noble. Why do you think all of the small businesses are lost when WalMart comes to town - WalMart under-prices them and it is logical to pay less for and equal product. Maybe WalMart has been giving the government lessons.
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Jul 1, 2013
 
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, corporate mergers is a real distortion of marriage, lol. The only relationship between corporations and anything that is any type of a permanent commitment is their lust for a dollar bill, and that is not a marriage. I will admit their commitment to money is stronger than what is present today between most married individuals towards each other.
I was replying to your comment about our language being distorted, since you missed the point,{understandable} I'll clarify; marriage has been used in the field of legal contracts. It is the extreme Christian right who has changed the definition. Understand now?
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Jul 1, 2013
 
Dave P wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT...
Nothing new under the sun.
Except those damned gay people wanting to get married, right?
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Dave P wrote:
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Studies and interviews with children raised in same sex homes are finding that indeed, traditional homes with a real mother and father are more beneficial and healthy to the children. Many children are saying that yes, they need both mom and dad. Same sex couples just cannot provide the same things traditional couples can.
Unbiased studies have not made this claim, so which studies are you referring to?
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No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
There is a fine line between love and hate, and both take passion. Indifference is the opposite of both love and hate. So your claim is really irrelevant.
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MarkEden wrote:
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Now you are a mind reader! Do you live near an abandoned coal mine? Do you drink well water?
You've claimed to know the mind of everyone from the Christian to the Atheist to the Gay.
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Bobby wrote:
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The side effect that I see is that each new generation that grows up accustomed and exposed to this will be more accepting of it. But more than that, evil has a way of de-sensitizing moral behavior and cause them to seek more and more outlandish ways to sin. Once the door is open they will never be satisfied with gay marriage. Don't believe me -wait about 10 or 20 years and read this again.
There you go reading those gay minds again. When the gay community starts knocking on my door to "convert" me then you might have a leg to stand on.

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