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#82 Jun 21, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>That is not in the bible Mike and Augustine was not God but a man like us. You surely do not think his writings are inspired do you? The bible tells us something deeper than Augustine and also tells us in several places to do this in remembrance.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
Joh 6:34 They said to him, "Sir, give us this bread always."
Joh 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.
This is another case where the scriptures will give us the truth and traditions from unscrupulous characters have led us in the wrong direction. Thanks for pointing it out Mike.
So Sproul are you the defrocked one or just a relative?
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#83 Jun 21, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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So Sproul are you the defrocked one or just a relative?
Relative.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#84 Jun 21, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
The early Church Fathers fall into three basic categories: Apostolic Fathers, ante-Nicene Church Fathers, and post-Nicene Church Fathers.
The Apostolic Church Fathers were contemporaries of the apostles and were probably taught by them, carrying on the tradition and teaching of the apostles themselves as their direct successors. Examples of Apostolic Fathers would be Clement and Polycarp.
The ante-Nicene Fathers were those who came after the apostolic fathers and before the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325. Such individuals as Irenaeus and Justin Martyr are ante-Nicene fathers.
The post-Nicene church fathers are such noted men as Augustine, John Chrysostom, Jerome, and Eusebius.
Although there were always a few dissenters, for the first thousand years of the Church there was a broad consensus among the Fathers on all the basic tenets of the faith, from Baptism to the Eucharist to the role of Tradition.
As the most respected pastors and theologians of their day, the opinion of the Fathers set the standard for what is considered biblical Christian teaching.
Although there were always a few dissenters, for the first thousand years of the Church there was a broad consensus among the Fathers on all the basic tenets of the faith, from Baptism to the Eucharist to the role of Tradition.
While many people debate theology, few take the time to see what the early Church has said on different theological topics. While the Church Fathers were not infallible, their widespread consensus on issues should give weight to the theological positions they advanced.
Despite the fact that their writings are all available for free online, many people have not taken the time to educate themselves on what the Church Fathers have taught.
The is no such thing as early church Fathers. This is something you have made up or got from someone who made it up.

I have only one Father. That is God.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#85 Jun 21, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
"Fathers", when Jesus said to call no man 'Father', as we have but one "Father" in heaven? Such a disregard for His word speaks for itself to testify they follow not Jesus, but another?
You do not have to fret none.

The devil is your father.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#86 Jun 21, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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The is no such thing as early church Fathers. This is something you have made up or got from someone who made it up.
Lebron James, Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley are church fathers. The church of basketball.

Jordan is pope, rest are bishops.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#87 Jun 22, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Lebron James, Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley are church fathers. The church of basketball.
Jordan is pope, rest are bishops.
You have a real good point there, many people worship their sports figures. But when christians get excited about our faith we are deemed to be radicals fools.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#88 Jun 22, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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You have a real good point there, many people worship their sports figures. But when christians get excited about our faith we are deemed to be radicals fools.
They worship SIN.

All that garbage is SIN.

Not of God. It is of this world.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#89 Jun 22, 2013
And if you watch it then you are also committing SIN. You are entertaining yourself with SIN.

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#90 Jun 22, 2013
Can't wait until these poopheads find out there are not only Fathers of the Church but Doctors of the Church as well!
Prophet of Jesus Christ

Sydney, Australia

#91 Jun 22, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Can't wait until these poopheads find out there are not only Fathers of the Church but Doctors of the Church as well!
How long have you been a idiot?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#92 Jun 22, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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How long have you been a idiot?
How long have you been wearing that tin foil hat with the antenna? since the 1st grade?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

Sydney, Australia

#93 Jun 22, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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How long have you been wearing that tin foil hat with the antenna? since the 1st grade?
That is retarded.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#94 Jun 22, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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That is retarded.
exactly
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#95 Jun 22, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
exactly
How long have you been retarded?

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#96 Jun 22, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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exactly
All the Prophets of Jesus Christ around here are morbidly obese black women with big hats. But they are Prophetesses.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#97 Jun 22, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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You have a real good point there, many people worship their sports figures. But when christians get excited about our faith we are deemed to be radicals fools.
Sports in all their glory have become idols. The Super Bowl is the biggest event in the world now. Really? A football game.

I still like sports, but I can't dedicate myself to them anymore. Football is a RELIGION. Bobby you know that very well being in Texas. I read about a high school that built a 24,000 seat stadium. William lives in Alabama- football is a cult there. Here in Ky, UK basketball is 24/7, 365. I like basketball, but I haven't watched a game in years.

If UK is playing basketball at noon on Sunday, the sermon need not run long that day. The handshakes and goodbyes are over quickly. Idolatry really. God have mercy on us.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#98 Jun 22, 2013
St. Vincent of Lerins
430 AD

"For the Antiquity and Universality of the Catholic Faith Against the Profane Novelties of All Heresies."

Chapter II
A General Rule for distinguishing the Truth of the Catholic Faith from the Falsehood of Heretical Pravity.

[4.] I Have often then inquired earnestly and attentively of very many men eminent for sanctity and learning, how and by what sure and so to speak universal rule I may be able to distinguish the truth of Catholic faith from the falsehood of heretical pravity; and I have always, and in almost every instance, received an answer to this effect: That whether I or any one else should wish to detect the frauds and avoid the snares of heretics as they rise, and to continue sound and complete in the Catholic faith, we must, the Lord helping, fortify our own belief in two ways; first, by the authority of the Divine Law, and then, by the Tradition of the Catholic Church.

[5.] But here some one perhaps will ask, Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church's interpretation? For this reason,-because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters. For Novatian expounds it one way, Sabellius another, Donatus another, Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, another, Photinus, Apollinaris, Priscillian, another, Iovinian, Pelagius, Celestius, another, lastly, Nestorius another. Therefore, it is very necessary, on account of so great intricacies of such various error, that the rule for the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed in accordance with the standard of Ecclesiastical and Catholic interpretation.

[6.] Moreover, in the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense "Catholic," which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to the consentient definitions and determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors.

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