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It was a one time sacrifice. Except when it isn't. Over and over and over and over and over again, etc.

Talk about your vain repetitions. At what point is he finally sacrificed and resurrected for good?
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How many movies before Jason was dead?
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Still not dead. But you have to pay to see it.
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May 27, 2013
 
William wrote:
It was a one time sacrifice. Except when it isn't. Over and over and over and over and over again, etc.
Talk about your vain repetitions. At what point is he finally sacrificed and resurrected for good?
Jesus told us to celebrate the New Testament, the Eucharist, unti the end of ages. That's how long the CC will be here.
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The Papacy

What did the Early Church Fathers Say?

St. Irenaeus
"The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome]... handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).
Tertullian

"[T]his is the way in which the apostolic churches transmit their lists: like the church of the Smyrneans, which records that Polycarp was placed there by John, like the church of the Romans, where Clement was ordained by Peter" (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32:2 [A.D. 200]).

The Little Labyrinth

"Victor ... was the thirteenth bishop of Rome from Peter" (The Little Labyrinth [A.D. 211], in Eusebius, Church History 5:28:3).

Cyprian of Carthage

"The Lord says to Peter:‘I say to you,’ he says,‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it....’[Matt. 16:18]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity.... If someone [today] does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition [A.D. 251]).

"Cornelius was made bishop by the decision of God and of his Christ, by the testimony of almost all the clergy, by the applause of the people then present, by the college of venerable priests and good men, at a time when no one had been made [bishop] before him—when the place of [Pope] Fabian, which is the place of Peter, the dignity of the sacerdotal chair, was vacant. Since it has been occupied both at the will of God and with the ratified consent of all of us, whoever now wishes to become bishop must do so outside. For he cannot have ecclesiastical rank who does not hold to the unity of the Church" (Letters 55:[52]):8 [A.D. 253]).

"With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the chair of Peter and to the principal church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source" (ibid., 59:14).

Eusebius of Caesarea

"Paul testifies that Crescens was sent to Gaul [2 Tim. 4:10], but Linus, whom he mentions in the Second Epistle to Timothy [2 Tim. 4:21] as his companion at Rome, was Peter’s successor in the episcopate of the church there, as has already been shown. Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the church at Rome, was, as Paul testifies, his co-laborer and fellow-soldier [Phil. 4:3]" (Church History 3:4:9–10 [A.D. 312]).

Pope Julius I

"[The] judgment [against Athanasius] ought to have been made, not as it was, but according to the ecclesiastical canon.... Are you ignorant that the custom has been to write first to us and then for a just decision to be passed from this place [Rome]? If, then, any such suspicion rested upon the bishop there [Athanasius of Alexandria], notice of it ought to have been written to the church here. But now, after having done as they pleased, they want to obtain our concurrence, although we never condemned him. Not thus are the constitutions of Paul, not thus the traditions of the Fathers. This is another form of procedure, and a novel practice.... What I write about this is for the common good. For what we have heard from the blessed apostle Peter, these things I signify to you" (Letter on Behalf of Athanasius [A.D. 341], contained in Athanasius, Apology Against the Arians 20–35).
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Spam, oh spam.....
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In the immortal words of mopman, who cares?
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"In the immortal words of mopman, who cares?"

And Hillary Clinton.
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William wrote:
"In the immortal words of mopman, who cares?"
And Hillary Clinton.
Ehhhhh. That woman. Not my favorite.
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"Ehhhhh. That woman. Not my favorite."

Well you better get used to seeing her and Mister Bill again real soon. Because the only way that she/he doesn't run for president in 2016 is if she is dead and buried.

I tell you, these vampire movies and TV shows are secretly patterned after the Clintons. They just will NOT stay dead.
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Dave P wrote:
In the immortal words of mopman, who cares?
Early writings from Protestant Church Fathers. Listed below.

Oops none.
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Dave P wrote:
In the immortal words of mopman, who cares?
So your writings are important and these great men nothing? These writings prove the early Church was Catholic.

So show me somebody between 100 Ad to 1500 AD that agrees with your "point of view".

I will save you the time. There is none.

Jesus started 1 Church.
The Only Church from 32 AD to 1530 AD was the Catholic Church.
Jesus started the Catholic Church.

Disprove that.
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You can open your Yellow Pages and look at all the different so-called Bible-believing denominations which claim to go by the Bible alone, none of which agree on not only the essentials, I mean not only the non-essential issues, but also the essential issues:

Salvation. Can you lose it once you get it? What about infant baptism? What about the Lord's Supper. What about baptismal regeneration? What about tongues and prophesy and miracles? What about the perpetual virginity of Mary?

There is confusion reigning among Protestantism, all of them claiming to go by the Bible alone [SS] and none of them being able to meet entirely on what the Bible means.

Paul said in I Corinthians 1:10, "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought."

Sola scriptura has been a blueprint for anarchy, people of Topix. Just trace the historical record back to the time of the Reformation and look at all the competing sects that have arisen.

I'm inviting people of Topix to consider, to study, to pray about the Catholic position.
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The Early Church Fathers on the Catholic Churc
All written before the Bible.

"The church of God that sojourns at Smyrna, to the church of God sojourning in Philomelium - and to all of the congregations of the holy and Catholic Church in every place." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.

"Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior of our souls, the Governor of our bodies, and the Shepherd of the Catholic Church throughout the world." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom Of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.

"The house of God is one, and there can be no salvation to anyone except in the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 61," c. 250 A.D.

"There is no salvation outside of the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 72," c. 250 A.D.

"The Catholic church is one." St. Victorinus, "Against Arius," c. 280 A.D.

"It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the Earth to the other; and because it teaches universally and completely one end and all the doctrines which ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly; and because it brings into subjection to godliness and the whole race of mankind, governors and governed, learned and unlearned; and because it universally treats and heals the whole class of sins, which are committed by soul and body, and possesses in itself every form of virtue which is named, both in deeds and words, and in every kind of spiritual gifts." St. Cyril of Jerusalem, "Catechetical Lectures," c. 350 A.D.

"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian." St. Athanasius, "Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuisc," c. 360 A.D.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
The Early Church Fathers on the Catholic Churc
All written before the Bible.
"The church of God that sojourns at Smyrna, to the church of God sojourning in Philomelium - and to all of the congregations of the holy and Catholic Church in every place." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.
"Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior of our souls, the Governor of our bodies, and the Shepherd of the Catholic Church throughout the world." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom Of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.
"The house of God is one, and there can be no salvation to anyone except in the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 61," c. 250 A.D.
"There is no salvation outside of the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 72," c. 250 A.D.
"The Catholic church is one." St. Victorinus, "Against Arius," c. 280 A.D.
"It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the Earth to the other; and because it teaches universally and completely one end and all the doctrines which ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly; and because it brings into subjection to godliness and the whole race of mankind, governors and governed, learned and unlearned; and because it universally treats and heals the whole class of sins, which are committed by soul and body, and possesses in itself every form of virtue which is named, both in deeds and words, and in every kind of spiritual gifts." St. Cyril of Jerusalem, "Catechetical Lectures," c. 350 A.D.
"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian." St. Athanasius, "Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuisc," c. 360 A.D.
The Catholic church left the original church as part of a power grab. History documents this even to the point of the Roman Pope demanding others bow and kiss his hand. Obviously a distortion of Christian practices according to the scriptures, naturally the Orthodox leaders refused and the Roman church left the original church. The Romans still demand kissing and bowing to the Pope today contrary to scripture. Repent and return to the original church Catholics, it is time for the lost sheep to return to the fold.
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Meet the original church that was at the beggining.

http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/inceptionofort...
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Mike- Early writings from Protestant Church Fathers. Listed below.

Oops none.

Dave P-got the scriptures. Don't need or want anything from "church fathers".

Mike-So your writings are important and these great men nothing? These writings prove the early Church was Catholic.

Dave-who said my writings are important? Certainly not I. Those early writers prove how far away from Christianity they had gotten. Their words certainly aren't inerrant or inspired. They were men only as you or I. No need to venerate them, put them on a pedestal.

Mike- Jesus started 1 Church.
The Only Church from 32 AD to 1530 AD was the Catholic Church.
Jesus started the Catholic Church.

Disprove that.

Dave- The Bible, ancient history, and even catholic history all disprove your theory. The Bible destroys everything this organization is built on.

Mike- The Early Church Fathers on the Catholic Churc
All written before the Bible.

Dave- LOL. The last NT book was written around 95 AD; at least 55 years earlier than your first quoted writer. "All written before the Bible"- that makes the catholic system look extremely foolish.

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Dave P wrote:
Mike- Early writings from Protestant Church Fathers. Listed below.
Oops none.
Dave P-got the scriptures. Don't need or want anything from "church fathers".
Mike-So your writings are important and these great men nothing? These writings prove the early Church was Catholic.
Dave-who said my writings are important? Certainly not I. Those early writers prove how far away from Christianity they had gotten. Their words certainly aren't inerrant or inspired. They were men only as you or I. No need to venerate them, put them on a pedestal.
Mike- Jesus started 1 Church.
The Only Church from 32 AD to 1530 AD was the Catholic Church.
Jesus started the Catholic Church.
Disprove that.
Dave- The Bible, ancient history, and even catholic history all disprove your theory. The Bible destroys everything this organization is built on.
Mike- The Early Church Fathers on the Catholic Churc
All written before the Bible.
Dave- LOL. The last NT book was written around 95 AD; at least 55 years earlier than your first quoted writer. "All written before the Bible"- that makes the catholic system look extremely foolish.
Before the Bible existed. The Bible was created in 382 AD. No Bible for St Ignatius.

Think about it. 350 years without a Bible. America as a country still has a 113 years to go to be 350 years old. The Church existed that long without a Bible.

Didn't say these writings were inspired by God. They just tell what the original Church believed. You tell us what you believe.

Don't need the Church Fathers ??? They created the Bible.

They were killed for Jesus. You better believe they need to be put on a Pedestal.

The Bible proves it. Your interpretation proves what ever you want it to prove which makes it null and void. Jesus nor the Bible gives you no Authority to do that.

Please show me where the Bible gives you any Authority to determine the truth form the Bible.

It says to obey your prelates and governing authorities doesnt it?
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Come Back Lost Sheep wrote:
Meet the original church that was at the beggining.
http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/inceptionofort...
Ya'll need to recognize Peter's successors, put your swimming trunks on , and swim the Tiber. We will give you a big welcome home party. You kind of split up too after getting rid of Authority. Which branch are you in?
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Jun 4, 2013
 
Wait, hasn't the Catholic church been the same, yesterday and today?

Sounds like you've got something akin to a Disciples of Christ branch, a Stone branch, and a Campbellite branch to me.

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