They received the Holy Spirit just like we did

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Brian

Martinsville, VA

#1 Sep 9, 2013
Regarding the Church of Christ and baptism, a good case in point can be found in Acts 10:1-48. Here we find an example of a man named Cornelius, receiving the Holy Spirit, evidenced by " speaking in tongues and exalting God." And being amazed by the whole ordeal, the Apostle Peter (who had been preaching the gospel to the Cornelius household when the Holy Spirit fell upon all of them) stated in verse 47, "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did..." Clearly we have in this example, a case where a person was obviously saved before he was water baptized. The Apostle Peter declares their salvation by saying that they had "received the Holy Spirit, just like we did!" The only way around this scenario is to deny that a person that is filled with the Holy Spirit (evidenced by speaking in tongues and glorifying God) is actually saved. And believe it or not, that is exactly what the Church of Christ denomination says! It never ceases to amaze me what some people are willing to swallow in order to protect what they feel is biblical, even if it denies the very Bible they seek to uphold.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#2 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
Regarding the Church of Christ and baptism, a good case in point can be found in Acts 10:1-48. Here we find an example of a man named Cornelius, receiving the Holy Spirit, evidenced by " speaking in tongues and exalting God." And being amazed by the whole ordeal, the Apostle Peter (who had been preaching the gospel to the Cornelius household when the Holy Spirit fell upon all of them) stated in verse 47, "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did..." Clearly we have in this example, a case where a person was obviously saved before he was water baptized. The Apostle Peter declares their salvation by saying that they had "received the Holy Spirit, just like we did!" The only way around this scenario is to deny that a person that is filled with the Holy Spirit (evidenced by speaking in tongues and glorifying God) is actually saved. And believe it or not, that is exactly what the Church of Christ denomination says! It never ceases to amaze me what some people are willing to swallow in order to protect what they feel is biblical, even if it denies the very Bible they seek to uphold.
Your belief on this started in the 1800s. Why did the HS take so log to get this right.

Were the Billions before and after this man made belief in hell or going to hell.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#3 Sep 9, 2013
Excuse me but I parted to you the Bible.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#4 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
Excuse me but I parted to you the Bible.
You are not excused.

The Church owns the Bible. You have defiled it by interpreting it yourself.

The Bible says not to do that.

You are splitting up the body of Christ even more. Jesus prayed that wouldn't happen. It must be an evil spirit speaking to you.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#5 Sep 9, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You are not excused.
The Church owns the Bible. You have defiled it by interpreting it yourself.
The Bible says not to do that.
You are splitting up the body of Christ even more. Jesus prayed that wouldn't happen. It must be an evil spirit speaking to you.
Peterson, you are one funny character. You condemn me for reading and "interpreting" +++ then you turn smack around and say "the Bible says not to do that" +++ kettle meet pot.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#6 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
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Peterson, you are one funny character. You condemn me for reading and "interpreting" +++ then you turn smack around and say "the Bible says not to do that" +++ kettle meet pot.
I never personally try to interpret the Bible on my own. The Church teaches me. IT has been teaching Christians for 2000 years.

Do you think you know more than the Church that Jesus started which is the pillar of truth? It has the power to bind and loosen, forgive sins or not.

Whoever hears the Church, hears Jesus.

Don't see your name anywhere.

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#7 Sep 9, 2013
The Church is not an institution +++ it’s the people. It is the Ecclesia +++ the called out ones that is to promote and preserve the truth in the world. This is the main purpose of the Church +++ to continue to teach the doctrine the apostles were given by Christ. The apostles wrote down the words inspired by the Holy Spirit through the entire New Testament. 1 Cor. 3:9-11 says,“For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” "Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you" (1 Timothy 4:16).) "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Paul was not saying,“The Old Testament alone was given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" +++ he obviously meant his writings as well, and epistles from other Apostles.

Since: Sep 13

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#8 Sep 9, 2013
See Brian, we can give you your answers before you give them to us. I can even put 3 crosses within the text. You think we do not know every single question and answer? Oh +++
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#9 Sep 9, 2013
Too funny! The Catholics, all with names beginning with M +++ I love it. Yes, Ferguson you provided a good answer. Yes, three crosses.
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#14 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
Regarding the Church of Christ and baptism, a good case in point can be found in Acts 10:1-48. Here we find an example of a man named Cornelius, receiving the Holy Spirit, evidenced by " speaking in tongues and exalting God." And being amazed by the whole ordeal, the Apostle Peter (who had been preaching the gospel to the Cornelius household when the Holy Spirit fell upon all of them) stated in verse 47, "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did..." Clearly we have in this example, a case where a person was obviously saved before he was water baptized. The Apostle Peter declares their salvation by saying that they had "received the Holy Spirit, just like we did!" The only way around this scenario is to deny that a person that is filled with the Holy Spirit (evidenced by speaking in tongues and glorifying God) is actually saved. And believe it or not, that is exactly what the Church of Christ denomination says! It never ceases to amaze me what some people are willing to swallow in order to protect what they feel is biblical, even if it denies the very Bible they seek to uphold.
That shows you can at the very least receive the Holy Ghost without receiving it at baptism. Unless some do not believe those scriptures. You can hardly criticize Barnsweb for not believing the Paul parts of the bible if you don't believe these. Explaining them away is the same as not believing them. Any churches do that?hmmmm
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#15 Sep 10, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>That shows you can at the very least receive the Holy Ghost without receiving it at baptism. Unless some do not believe those scriptures. You can hardly criticize Barnsweb for not believing the Paul parts of the bible if you don't believe these. Explaining them away is the same as not believing them. Any churches do that?hmmmm
Protestants don't believe over half of what the Bible means. They use a made up term invented in the 16th Century called Sola Scirptura to make anything they believe right.

The Church is pillar of Truth. Not a protester.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Germany

#16 Sep 12, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Protestants don't believe over half of what the Bible means. They use a made up term invented in the 16th Century called Sola Scirptura to make anything they believe right.
The Church is pillar of Truth. Not a protester.
Can you think of anything useful to say? Something that might bring some understanding of the meaning of the bible to the discussion? Catholic sour grapes are not of much use to us.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#17 Sep 12, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>Can you think of anything useful to say? Something that might bring some understanding of the meaning of the bible to the discussion? Catholic sour grapes are not of much use to us.
So you want to play the game me quoting scripture and you saying that is not what it means.?

Ludicrous There is only one meaning. The one from the Church Jesus started. Do you hear the Church. If you do, you hear Jesus.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Germany

#18 Sep 12, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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So you want to play the game me quoting scripture and you saying that is not what it means.?
Ludicrous There is only one meaning. The one from the Church Jesus started. Do you hear the Church. If you do, you hear Jesus.
Not only did I tell you that is not what it means , I showed you without a doubt that the rock the church is built upon is not the same word that is the name Peter. Two different words with two different meanings. Is that true? No where does the scripture say Peter is the rock the church is built upon. Other than Power why does the Catholics teach that which is not in the bible?

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#19 Sep 13, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text> Not only did I tell you that is not what it means , I showed you without a doubt that the rock the church is built upon is not the same word that is the name Peter. Two different words with two different meanings. Is that true? No where does the scripture say Peter is the rock the church is built upon. Other than Power why does the Catholics teach that which is not in the bible?
It is funny how they pervert things to their own demise. It is so easy to grasp the meaning of Christ within the context and it sure aint Peter as the rock. You are 100% right.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#20 Sep 13, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text> Not only did I tell you that is not what it means , I showed you without a doubt that the rock the church is built upon is not the same word that is the name Peter. Two different words with two different meanings. Is that true? No where does the scripture say Peter is the rock the church is built upon. Other than Power why does the Catholics teach that which is not in the bible?
Who told you that? Please name the person who told you that what that verse means.

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#21 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Who told you that? Please name the person who told you that what that verse means.
Dang it, he forgot to ask the Pope. You guys are just too funny.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#22 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You are not excused.
The Church owns the Bible. You have defiled it by interpreting it yourself.
The Bible says not to do that.
You are splitting up the body of Christ even more. Jesus prayed that wouldn't happen. It must be an evil spirit speaking to you.
The church own nothing. God words are own by God and no one else. The stupidity that you been saying is the fear that the CC place in you of being afraid to ask questions. God is love mercy and understanding. The CC is "do what I say, not what I do" CC is control.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#23 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You are not excused.
The Church owns the Bible. You have defiled it by interpreting it yourself.
The Bible says not to do that.
You are splitting up the body of Christ even more. Jesus prayed that wouldn't happen. It must be an evil spirit speaking to you.
So now Brian is Catholic Pope and speaks for the Church and not himself:-) You're too funny Brian:-)

Let's get to the root of the Spirit and its relation to immersion:

God gave a promise that is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham - the part about the blessings to the whole earth - whosoever that would come to Him through the Son who gave His life for the whole world - but only those who accepted Him and His teachings.

Go back and read Acts 1-3, then revisit 2:38,39. Where did God ever condone dividing that which He joined together? So rather than trying to divide the word of truth, we'd be advised to grasp how it goes together in a way that shows the truth of the whole to be consistent. Immersion had a type in the OT priesthood, the priests cleansed themselves before putting on their robes to serve in the Temple. John the immerser baptized people for forgiveness of sins to prepare for Master YHWH. Jesus said to immerse disciples made in the name of the FSH. Peter said to those convicted to believe in Jesus as Christ that they were to be immersed for the forgiveness of sin and the gift of the Holy Spirit - but this was not just for those present on Pentecost - it was given as a promise from that very day forward - to as many as the Lord would call and to those who responded as those very first disciples in Jerusalem.

To cut immersion off from the commandment of God with promise for all is to seek to do great damage to the very word and promise of God - yet there are not few who defame this truth and promise of God. We all know the verse -'God is not mocked'?
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#24 Sep 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I never personally try to interpret the Bible on my own. The Church teaches me. IT has been teaching Christians for 2000 years.
Do you think you know more than the Church that Jesus started which is the pillar of truth? It has the power to bind and loosen, forgive sins or not.
Whoever hears the Church, hears Jesus.
Don't see your name anywhere.
Jesus did not start the CC. Man start thru a Roman Beliefs. It does not have the right to change nothing, what you say " to bind and looses, forgive sin or not". Jesus did not change one thing that the bibles says of Moses or the prophets. He confirmed them. Christians to day do not practice Passover, which Jesus did. "It was his custom" Jesus did not say to pray to his mother and the saints, only to him and the father. I can go on, but you get the idea. Constantine a pagan worshipper created the CC 300 years after Jesus gave Peter the keys. Yet the CC does not recognized any writing that Peter did. This doesn't make you think why not? Was there a political reason to make Paul more important because he went against what the bible says and help brought in pagan worship. That is why we are called ROMAN CATHOLICS. I don't remember the exact quote, but in the book of Revelation, it say that the church leaders will be deny and punish for the fault teachings that it did.

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