Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#382 Jun 18, 2013
Mike, I have a big time problem when you say: we, the church created the bible, it is a catholic book.

God created the heavens and the earth and everything in it, including you and I. The scripture is Gods word and I hear you trying to take credit for it so as to intimidate christians who are not catholic. I am very annoyed that you use the word create/created.

The author of a book has more credit than the writer and publisher should have and yet you continue to use the words as though the church wrote/created it. Inspired words belong to God-it is his work-do not try to take credit for that. That is border line blasphemous in my mind. God is the source and author of our salvation-please give the credit to him where it belongs!

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#383 Jun 18, 2013
Simply put the Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church looked at innumerable Christian writings floating around and decided after much contention which were to be included as inspired and which were to be excluded in what we call the New Testament. Did the Councils write these books? No. Did the Councils infallibly choose the 27 which comprise the New Testament Canon? Yes. To deny this happened means you think the New Testament fell out of the sky bound in black leather with gold edging and the Words of Christ in red.

What I can't understand is why Protestants accept the decision of the Ecumenical Councils infallible choice of the New Testament Canon yet reject a chunk of the Canon of the entire Bible also chosen by these same Councils. Didn't the original KJV contain I and II Maccabees, Tobit, Sirach etc?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#384 Jun 18, 2013
You should have a problem with that. Why do you stay away like those in John 6:66?

God made the whole universe and sent his son to die for our sins and to teach us the way of eternal life.

Before Jesus ascended to heaven he, through the Apostles,created the Universal (Catholic) Church to protect and teach us the Truth. Paul tells us that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

He did that so the world would know we are one like Jesus and his Father are one.

He gave full authority of the Church which was accepted the other Apostles, to Peter and his successors.

Catholics, the only Christians for 1500 years proven by history, wrote scriptures and the Church, in AD 382 ,decided which of these scriptures were truly the inspired and inerrant written Word of God and the Bible came into existence.

God has protected his Church for almost 2000 years because he promised it would never fail.

Bobby: If you have a problem with it , take it with God, not me.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#385 Jun 18, 2013
Mike we are not idiots, the scripture was in existence way before you guys came along, all they did is canonize it, they were not the authors, God was. The church was not even in existence when the OT was written. You are the one with a huge pride problem. Not only that you value catholic written tradition above scripture. Just so you will know I do believe catholics were the authors and did inspire that stuff.

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#386 Jun 18, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Mike we are not idiots, the scripture was in existence way before you guys came along, all they did is canonize it, they were not the authors, God was. The church was not even in existence when the OT was written. You are the one with a huge pride problem. Not only that you value catholic written tradition above scripture. Just so you will know I do believe catholics were the authors and did inspire that stuff.
I wouldn't sling around that word idiots if I were you! How about you get your hands on some of Bruce Metzger's books about this subject and get back to us.
Mike Peterson

Terry, MS

#387 Jun 18, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Mike we are not idiots, the scripture was in existence way before you guys came along, all they did is canonize it, they were not the authors, God was. The church was not even in existence when the OT was written. You are the one with a huge pride problem. Not only that you value catholic written tradition above scripture. Just so you will know I do believe catholics were the authors and did inspire that stuff.
I am guilty. I have thanked God many times for leading me home to The Church.

I want everybody to have the fullness of the truth. It set me free.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#388 Jun 18, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Why do you ask so many at once?
Because that's what he do.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#389 Jun 18, 2013
Did the Councils infallibly choose the 27 which comprise the New Testament Canon? Yes. To deny this happened means you think the New Testament fell out of the sky bound in black leather with gold edging and the Words of Christ in red.

*God chose long before any council assembled what books would be scripture. God decided, not man.

*Sentence #2 is an example of either being unknowing of what others believe, or deliberately being misleading. Bad use of logic also. But the cavalry doesn't desire to hear what many believe concerning the writing and collecting of the scriptures.

If you have a problem with it , take it with God, not me.

*God will deal with all of this one day. Perhaps many shouldn't be in such a hurry to have God deal with all the problems.

How about you get your hands on some of Bruce Metzger's books about this subject and get back to us.

*Bruce Metzger? Did he write Romans 17? 2 Opinions? What inspired work did he do? I'll go find out.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#390 Jun 19, 2013
"God chose long before any council assembled what books would be scripture. God decided, not man."

And God decided the Catholic Church would be the Pillar and Foundation of Truth long ago.

And he decided that his Church would here until the end of ages and evil would not prevail a long time ago.

He knew heretics would start the Protestant Reformation and try and destroy Gods plan a long time ago. He is dealing with this now, by pitting protestant against protestant each saying they know the truth.

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#391 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
He knew heretics would start the Protestant Reformation and try and destroy Gods plan a long time ago. He is dealing with this now, by pitting protestant against protestant each saying they know the truth.
If you had to use Scripture and ONLY revealed Scripture- THE BIBLE- what church would you be in?

Without your history and sacred tradition, could the Bible today point you to Jesus as the way, the truth, and the Life?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#392 Jun 19, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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If you had to use Scripture and ONLY revealed Scripture- THE BIBLE- what church would you be in?
Without your history and sacred tradition, could the Bible today point you to Jesus as the way, the truth, and the Life?
I already did that. I picked the Catholic Church. I was not born into it.

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#393 Jun 19, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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If you had to use Scripture and ONLY revealed Scripture- THE BIBLE- what church would you be in?
Without your history and sacred tradition, could the Bible today point you to Jesus as the way, the truth, and the Life?
One thing's for sure without the history and Sacred Tradition of the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox Churches instead of there being 30,000 plus protestant-like denominations there would be 30 million. The Reformation proved that! Those early Christians did not and could not conceive of the need of an organizational structure which would last 2,000 years and involve billions of believers. You will find nothing in the New Testament to provide such a structure beyond the barest few sentences. That is precisely why particularly Apostolic Succession and Sacred Tradition then Ecumenical Councils and the Magisterium were so vital to the growth and spread of Christianity. This simply cannot be denied just ignored.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#394 Jun 19, 2013
If the Catholic Church is the source of the Bible, then how did the Church in Babylon, outside the Roman rule, come up with the same NT books that the Roman Church didn't arrive at until hundreds of years later? And why did the Roman Church apply all pressures available to them in attempting to force the Eastern Church to modify their NT texts to match what Rome said it was in their copies - which were different that what the Eastern Church received? Some Eastern Churches feared man more than God and changed their texts to match Rome's text - but not all. As Master Y'shua said, His words are imperishable by any means - including the underlying evil that would seek to force others to alter the very words God gave through His only begotten Son.

God s the judge, and He will uphold His word higher than His name. I'll also add that no matter what the RCC pretends to force upon the world, God will still be true to what the original Revelation of Master YHWH Y'shua is. Do you expect God to deny what He really said and uphold the words of those that testify falsely of Him?

I don't.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#395 Jun 19, 2013

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#396 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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First of all you are right, why would the Church create a book that disproves itself?
You are practicing SS without any Authority to do so.
Why do you ask so many at once? I will respond to a few.
3. We are all priests. The Priests and Bishops in the Church are ordained though and are successors to the Apostles. Laying on of hands of successors is in the Bible.
11. The Bishop cannot have had more than 1 wife. IF he had been married twice he could not been a Bishop.
8. It says call no man your Father. It doesn't say religious leader. What about Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of "our father Isaac." They must have been asleep when Jesus taught that one that day.
Are you blind? Jesus said to pluck your eyes out if they cause you to sin. I know you have done that.
Hey when you give this to Your priest and he gives you the catholic answers please post them to these questions because we know they have the authority and you can not determine truth for yourself.

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#397 Jun 19, 2013
1. Doing works of penance doesn't forgive sins.
2. Praying to Mary doesn't forgive sins.
3. Rosary beads not scriptural.
4. Hail Marys- a ritual made up by Catholics
5. Asking priest to forgive sins- unscriptural.

The Catholic Church has left its first love- an organization built on doctrinal evolution and teachings that belittle Jesus and uplift man.

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#398 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I already did that. I picked the Catholic Church. I was not born into it.
If you had to use Scripture and ONLY revealed Scripture- THE BIBLE- what church would you be in?

Without your history and sacred tradition, could the Bible today point you to Jesus as the way, the truth, and the Life?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#399 Jun 19, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Hey when you give this to Your priest and he gives you the catholic answers please post them to these questions because we know they have the authority and you can not determine truth for yourself.
Just check online then. All the teachings are there. Don't have to rely on your friends, families and pastors.

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#400 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I already did that. I picked the Catholic Church. I was not born into it.
Please tell us how you became a catholic.

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#401 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Just check online then. All the teachings are there. Don't have to rely on your friends, families and pastors.
You cant or wont give an answer for your beliefs?

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