Later Latter Days
Anonying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#127 Sep 23, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Just one more prot cultist who thought he alone had new revelations. Next?
No new revelation, not even a revelation at all. Just a revelation from a Greek theologian raised on the island of Cyprus that can read the scriptures. Catholics should try studying the word.
Anonying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#128 Sep 23, 2013
No new revelation, not even a revelation at all. Just a study and explanation of the scriptures from a Greek theologian raised on the island of Cyprus that can read the scriptures. Catholics should try studying the word. That was from his study bible. Have you published any study bibles lately?
Anonying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#129 Sep 23, 2013
ROMAN Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text> The two verbs dedemenon and lelumeonon are both perfect passive particles which should have been translated respectively as "having been bound " and "as having been loosed' already in the heavens. Believers on earth can only confirm what has already taken place in heaven.
That is why we pray "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." We don't make the decision and then inform God later. The Catholics have it backwards, therefore we have the scandals. Can you imagine? A recent lotto of 400 million made headlines and a South Carolina man won it. The Catholic church paid out billions and billions of dollars for their "bind and loose" activities that were backwards from what the bible actually says.
Mike Peterson

United States

#130 Sep 23, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Because of Jesus. Even He said we can know through doing what He said that His teachings are of God. I call it the 'Jesus test.'
The Testimony Of Jesus Christ
John 7:16,17; "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority."
In this teaching Jesus equates the personal testimony of His truth from God (the gospel of the kingdom) is to be found in our will to do the will of God. If we have the will to do the will of God, as we do what Jesus taught we will know if it is the will of God as He said it is.
John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me."
True doctrine is to observe all of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.
The teachings of Jesus cover many things, and here are a few more things He said on the topic:
Matthew 4:4; 'It is written, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
John 6:63,64; "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you who do not believe."
Revelation 22:12-16; "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie."
The real question we need to answer is if doing the will of God is what He requires of us - or if He imputes the righteousness of Jesus Christ to sinners who don't practice ongoing repentance to be sanctified by the word.
How do you know all of this?
The Church , that is how. It preserved the Bible and the traditions that the Bible says the first Christians were taught by the Apostles for 2000 years.
Besides that, you would be Muslim without the Church.
Mike Peterson

United States

#131 Sep 23, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Not just men. If I wanted to hear those who had never heard Him speak, I'd search out the Urantia or perhaps what Joseph Smith Jr. said Jesus gave him in a revelation. That is the pattern of Paul - to believe individual revelation instead of what those who were actually disciples chosen to give witness to His life and teachings.
We have to draw the line somewhere as to who we hear, and per the original disciple John, we are to believe what those who were His disciples say - as their recollection is HS inspired recall.
If you can't believe what John said - what is the point?
To believe the oldest man made Church that keeps changing its doctrines?
St Andrew was the original Apostle.

It is only inspired because the Church said so.

You would have no Bible without the Church. They created it and preserved it until the printing press in 1470.

Hand printed copies on sheepskin by monks. One Bible took many many years to make.

Not one Protestant contributed to this. All they did was defile it with SS.
Anonying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#132 Sep 23, 2013
Did the apostles use rosary beads? Did Peter and John do many Hail Mary's? The traditions taught by apostles seemed to have changed slightly.

Act 3:4 And Peter directed his gaze at him, as did John, and said, "Look at us."
Act 3:5 And he fixed his attention on them, expecting to receive something from them.
Act 3:6 But Peter said, "I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!"

Peter and John started out with no money. Now the Pope sits around all day counting out his billions and paying off the lawsuits filed against his priests and their misbehaviors. You come a long way baby. Seems to me like it is a long way from the Lord.
Mike Peterson

United States

#133 Sep 24, 2013
Sounds like you are mad at Jesus because you were born a Protestant.

You don't have to keep dividng the Kingdom like Jesus prayed not too.

Hear his prayer. Come home to the Catholic Church. All of your descendants were Catholics before 1500, if they were not pagan.

Since: Jun 11

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#134 Sep 24, 2013
Anonying Proxy wrote:
Did the apostles use rosary beads? Did Peter and John do many Hail Mary's? The traditions taught by apostles seemed to have changed slightly.
Act 3:4 And Peter directed his gaze at him, as did John, and said, "Look at us."
Act 3:5 And he fixed his attention on them, expecting to receive something from them.
Act 3:6 But Peter said, "I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!"
Peter and John started out with no money. Now the Pope sits around all day counting out his billions and paying off the lawsuits filed against his priests and their misbehaviors. You come a long way baby. Seems to me like it is a long way from the Lord.
Does the Sproulist denomination teach and practice paedocommunion?
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#135 Sep 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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St Andrew was the original Apostle.
It is only inspired because the Church said so.
You would have no Bible without the Church. They created it and preserved it until the printing press in 1470.
Hand printed copies on sheepskin by monks. One Bible took many many years to make.
Not one Protestant contributed to this. All they did was defile it with SS.
The Bible exist thousands of years before the claim that you say. Moses laws were in effect under Jesus, which he confirmed.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#136 Sep 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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St Andrew was the original Apostle.
It is only inspired because the Church said so.
You would have no Bible without the Church. They created it and preserved it until the printing press in 1470.
Hand printed copies on sheepskin by monks. One Bible took many many years to make.
Not one Protestant contributed to this. All they did was defile it with SS.
We'd have no gospel if Jesus didn't preach it and live it.

I'm not fond of talking to walls. The RCC testifies of itself. Jesus doesn't testify to the RCC being the first Church or only Church.

Go back to your slumber now.
Annoying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#137 Sep 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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We'd have no gospel if Jesus didn't preach it and live it.
I'm not fond of talking to walls. The RCC testifies of itself. Jesus doesn't testify to the RCC being the first Church or only Church.
Go back to your slumber now.
The Catholics claim they created the bible and give Jesus no credit at all. They ignore what Jesus gave us was from the Father. It is almost impossible to talk with Catholics about the bible even though they make the claim they created it. Sounds a little fishy to me and it isn't even Friday.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#138 Sep 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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How do you know all of this?
The Church , that is how. It preserved the Bible and the traditions that the Bible says the first Christians were taught by the Apostles for 2000 years.
Besides that, you would be Muslim without the Church.
Now you're talking pure nonsense.

Without God I would be nothing. I believe God, the prophets, Psalms and the Son - as testified to by His hand picked and carefully taught original disciples. It is they who teach me. Not the Church. The 'Church' is the bride of Christ - not Christ. We are in an engagement period where only those who are faithful to the Groom will be married for eternity. Those unfaithful will be cast outside where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Repent and become faithful that you may live!
Annoying Proxy

France

#139 Sep 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
Sounds like you are mad at Jesus because you were born a Protestant.
You don't have to keep dividng the Kingdom like Jesus prayed not too.
Hear his prayer. Come home to the Catholic Church. All of your descendants were Catholics before 1500, if they were not pagan.
Don't you feel ashamed that you are not allowed to defend the gospel because you are afraid of being put out of church? No they may not have been Catholic. They may have been part of the real church that remained faithful and never split to start their own church in a power grab. The Orthodox believe they and the Catholics are two completely different men.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#140 Sep 26, 2013
Annoying Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you feel ashamed that you are not allowed to defend the gospel because you are afraid of being put out of church? No they may not have been Catholic. They may have been part of the real church that remained faithful and never split to start their own church in a power grab. The Orthodox believe they and the Catholics are two completely different men.
And the Sproulists got thrown out and had to start their own Sproulism denomination in order to practice the Sproulist version of paedocommunion.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#141 Sep 27, 2013
Annoying Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you feel ashamed that you are not allowed to defend the gospel because you are afraid of being put out of church? No they may not have been Catholic. They may have been part of the real church that remained faithful and never split to start their own church in a power grab. The Orthodox believe they and the Catholics are two completely different men.
The Orthodox split because of authority. Hey but if you can name one of your descendants that was Orthodox, I will count that.

There is not one person in the history of the world who believes like you before the late 18th Century.

Really think about that.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#142 Sep 27, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The Orthodox split because of authority. Hey but if you can name one of your descendants that was Orthodox, I will count that.
There is not one person in the history of the world who believes like you before the late 18th Century.
Really think about that.
It has always seemed to me the schism was due to long simmering cultural, linguistic and political issues (which we still see today between the EU and Greece) with religious differences as just an excuse.

Who the hell knows what divided 40,000 prot denominations!!! Sometimes it was over the color of the carpet and other times over giving infants communion so they could puke it up on the carpet!!!
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#143 Sep 27, 2013
I know for a fact, one in town split up because the the Senior Pastor who was making 180,000 couldn't get his son a raise to to 125,000.

He then started his own community and he personally interviews each person who wants to join and decides who does or doesn't.

Probably based on bank account.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#144 Sep 27, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
I know for a fact, one in town split up because the the Senior Pastor who was making 180,000 couldn't get his son a raise to to 125,000.
He then started his own community and he personally interviews each person who wants to join and decides who does or doesn't.
Probably based on bank account.
Lots and lots of prot denominations require "pledges" from their members. I've mentioned this one before but it's so funny. In Moms Mabley's neighborhood there was a little Baptist Church that split. There was a Bethel "A" and a Bethel "B" Baptist Church. First time I ever had fried corn was in that neighborhood which not only didn't have streets it didn't even have dirt roads!
Annoying Proxy

France

#145 Sep 27, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
I know for a fact, one in town split up because the the Senior Pastor who was making 180,000 couldn't get his son a raise to to 125,000.
He then started his own community and he personally interviews each person who wants to join and decides who does or doesn't.
Probably based on bank account.
The Catholic church doesn't have any room to talk about money..
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#146 Sep 28, 2013
Annoying Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>The Catholic church doesn't have any room to talk about money..
My Pastor makes 750 a month and has 2 parishes.

The Pope draws no salary.

The total budget of the Vatican is around 250 million a year. last year, they were in the red. That is peanuts.

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