Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#67 Sep 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
Every cult and cultist is an extreme version of Protestantism.
The sociopaths love SS. Their followers can look at the scriptures and see what they are saying. "Yep they mean exactly how you interpret them."
They are the ultimate 'free thinkers'.
Once again, it is the Kingdom of god. Not a democracy of the Bible.
Perhaps. It certainly is about the Kingdom of God. It is certainly NOT a democracy! You comment that 'sociopaths love SS' is disturbing though. "Cult" is a dangerous word to use and often used to denigrate a group - most often justifiably, but the definition could be implied to just about every one - depending on the viewpoints that mark differences.

One trait of a cult is they have a central leadership or figure that everything centers around and that no one is allowed to question what they say or their authority in the group - sort of fear mongering and mind control.

If Jesus is true and what Matthew, Peter, James and John have recorded of His word is the authoritative words from God - couldn't the Church be called 'Cult of Jesus Christ'?

Sola Scriptura has a danger when anyone puts the words from Paul found in the writings as more authoritative than the teachings of the Lord as related by the twelve. The twelve had no authority over the words - they just related them to us - based upon His authority and commandment to them.

The real problem is that few realize it is about the Kingdom of God and that God is the Authority and Author of our salvation in Christ. If there is a way to 'rightly divide the word of truth', it is to divide things enough to separate out what the Father and Son have said and then never put the recorded word of anyone else above what They said, or that the Holy Spirit revealed through the twelve - such as Peter giving the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham in Acts 2,3.

Most Protestants - perhaps all protestants - belong to the cult of Paul. Whose cult are the RCC? They don't abide in the words of Jesus Christ indeed - so whose words do they abide in? The various men who recorded their 'traditions'?
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#68 Sep 19, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>"I doubt you'd read any one of them tough" Is this an example of some of that warm smugness?
Not my smugness - it is your smugness that prevents you from reading - I have read them. Mormons are afraid to find the truth, as it will destroy their delusions. Joseph lied. Joseph was not a true prophet of God. Joseph fails the tests that God and Jesus Christ and the Prophets and the Twelve have told us to use to know if someone is from God or not.

Read "Jesus' Words Only" - it's mainly about testing Paul by the standards God gave through Moses and the Son - but it equally applies to Joseph Smith Jr. and all the LDS Prophets.

If you are so sure your man is a prophet - use the very standards of God to prove it that we all might believe his testimony of Jesus Christ and the gospel as taught by JS:

baptisms for the dead
sealing families for eternity - eternal sex in heaven.
following whatever the LDS prophet says and NOT studying the teachings of Jesus Christ (commandments) from the NT records.
use of water and unleaven bread for Sacrament.
weekly testifying Joseph is true and Jesus is a liar (by who you follow and swear to be true in testimonies).
that God was a man before He became God - thereby denying there is but One God and Father of all, and One Son - the only begotten.
that you were children of God in heaven before you came down to earth to attain your 'earthly tabrinacle.' Scripture says only Jesus Christ came from heaven to earth and then went back....

Think on these things.

Then repent to do as Jesus actually commanded - abide in His word given by the twelve real apostles.

Mormons are generally nice people - but 'nice' won't get you into heaven.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#69 Sep 19, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Yes yes, let's go after the Mormons. Those little stinkers, who do they think they are claiming to be Christian? They need some good old fashion persecution to bring them to their senses. Yes, let us look at the fruits, should we go by domination or just by mono-theism in general?
Truth is persecution? Only to a Mormon. Mormons relish denial of what the Bible says to favor the Joseph Smith Translation corrections of the Bible. He even added some to Genesis to show a prophecy of him was even in Genesis!
Did you also vote for Obama? Some people will believe anything - in spite of facts.
If the LDS temple matters are so 'sacred', why were the blood oaths removed from the cerimonies? And why is it that the initiates are doing what Satan is telling them to do?
Endowments? Not from God.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#70 Sep 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Joan of Arc is a Saint in the Catholic Church. Her feast day is May 30th.
Where do you go on Sunday or Saturday morning? You know being a Catholic you are definitely a heretic. I know the burning stakes are booked ahead for a few years. Its not too late for you. What are you going to tell Jesus when he asks why you left his church. I gave you a Catholic family and you rejected me.
Are are to ashamed to say. Are you a Bible and Me person
Look up your history, It was the CC who condemned her. Why, the Pope wanted England King to win not the French King. Pope order her trial and condemnation right away. Problem is that you didn't read what I said. The voice she heard who not from the "Saints", it was from the liar, has with all visions. Like Fatima was from the liar.
Mike Peterson

Atlanta, GA

#71 Sep 19, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Look up your history, It was the CC who condemned her. Why, the Pope wanted England King to win not the French King. Pope order her trial and condemnation right away. Problem is that you didn't read what I said. The voice she heard who not from the "Saints", it was from the liar, has with all visions. Like Fatima was from the liar.
So you are a Messianic Jew too. Hmmmmmm.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#72 Sep 19, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are a Messianic Jew too. Hmmmmmm.
NO, WHAT PART YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND. THE REAL HISTORY OR THE HISTORY THAT THE CC CLAIMS. What is your responce has to do with Joan of Arc murdered by the CC. Get your head out of the sand.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#73 Sep 19, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Look up your history, It was the CC who condemned her. Why, the Pope wanted England King to win not the French King. Pope order her trial and condemnation right away. Problem is that you didn't read what I said. The voice she heard who not from the "Saints", it was from the liar, has with all visions. Like Fatima was from the liar.
There are actually two Popes in the story of Jeanne d'Arc. The first, Callixtus III, declared her to be an innocent martyr in 1456. The second, Benedict XV declared her to be a saint in 1920.

It was a rogue French Bishop aligned politically with the English who condemned Jeanne d'Arc to death for dressing as a man. I rather doubt the Pope at the time of her death, Eugene IV or his predecessor, Martin V, had ever heard of Jeanne d'Arc.

So just who is the "liar?"
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#74 Sep 20, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
There are actually two Popes in the story of Jeanne d'Arc. The first, Callixtus III, declared her to be an innocent martyr in 1456. The second, Benedict XV declared her to be a saint in 1920.
It was a rogue French Bishop aligned politically with the English who condemned Jeanne d'Arc to death for dressing as a man. I rather doubt the Pope at the time of her death, Eugene IV or his predecessor, Martin V, had ever heard of Jeanne d'Arc.
So just who is the "liar?"
The pope declared her innocent is after the fact. the CC did "murdered" her for "political" reason. Claiming Socery also.
Mike Peterson

United States

#75 Sep 20, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> The pope declared her innocent is after the fact. the CC did "murdered" her for "political" reason. Claiming Socery also.
You just repeated what Mark said.

Focus.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#76 Sep 20, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> The pope declared her innocent is after the fact. the CC did "murdered" her for "political" reason. Claiming Socery also.
You said, "Pope order her trial and condemnation right away. Problem is that you didn't read what I said."

Maybe you should reread and rethink what you said!
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#77 Sep 20, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth is persecution? Only to a Mormon. Mormons relish denial of what the Bible says to favor the Joseph Smith Translation corrections of the Bible. He even added some to Genesis to show a prophecy of him was even in Genesis!
Did you also vote for Obama? Some people will believe anything - in spite of facts.
If the LDS temple matters are so 'sacred', why were the blood oaths removed from the cerimonies? And why is it that the initiates are doing what Satan is telling them to do?
Endowments? Not from God.
Since you've come to the conclusion {not based on anything I've said} that I'm Mormon, would it make any difference to you if I tell you, I"M NOT MORMON. Do you need this translated by your pastor, minister, clergy or someone who does this sort of thing for you? Or are you going to continue to claim,{perhaps by divine knowledge?} to know my faith thereby looking like a fool? Yeah nothing so smug, right? Ya know, trying to debate with someone about Mormons who doesn't disagree with you {about Mormons anyway} doesn't really win a debate for you, but it does make you look foolish. For the record, I'm a sworn enemy of the LDS church, does that help? So by all means let's bash them, I don't see any around to refute us. By the way, I don't think Mormons were allowed to vote for Obama, but you know, some people will believe anything.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#78 Sep 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are a Messianic Jew too. Hmmmmmm.
So you have a category for everyone, don't you?
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#79 Sep 20, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>You don't know much about wrestling do you? If you don't you didn't miss a thing. I believe I said body slam you upon my keyboard or something like that, it isn't worth checking. A body slam is fairly common in wrestling and is done against a hard surface where the body is picked up and slammed down by the opposing wrestler. Spanking some ones behind in wrestling is not common, actually I have never heard of it. I didn't think it would be appropriate for me to go down the road of sexual jokes. So I didn't go there even though it was humorous because I still am aware of what sin is, just that I am successful in refraining from sin sometimes but not always. There is an awareness in me that makes me do that that you don't have. No big deal,I mean if there was not a difference when Christ saves you then there is absolutely no point in being saved. Christ makes the changes. You are not going to like me or what I am saying, don't worry about it, that is to be expected. I understand that.
Oh no, I agree, you are fascinating. Most people with wisdom or awareness don't usually make announcements regarding said wisdom. So what a refreshing approach you've decided to take. had you not made your declaration, I might not have noticed, based on other posters claims. I'm so glad I found you. Surely, your not to proud to share your "awareness", so maybe you will let me pick your brain? I'll start with some easy questions, but I do have many. Not that I want to dwell on your fantasies, be they sexual or violent,{which for all I know, is the same thing to you} but I do want to get it out of the way so I will understand. Was the body slam fantasy a sin? I mean ya know, in your opinion, is it a sin like the reference to your backside? Is it specif body parts mentioned that make it a sin? Or is it, that the mention of your bum takes your mind to a sexual place that is a sin? Basically, is it the fantasy of violence that is sinful or the fantasy of sex that is sinful or both?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#80 Sep 20, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>So you have a category for everyone, don't you?
Yep. For these posts.

Catholics and Non-Catholics. I assume you are a non-Catholic. After that there are sub -categories.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#81 Sep 20, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Since you've come to the conclusion {not based on anything I've said} that I'm Mormon, would it make any difference to you if I tell you, I"M NOT MORMON. Do you need this translated by your pastor, minister, clergy or someone who does this sort of thing for you? Or are you going to continue to claim,{perhaps by divine knowledge?} to know my faith thereby looking like a fool? Yeah nothing so smug, right? Ya know, trying to debate with someone about Mormons who doesn't disagree with you {about Mormons anyway} doesn't really win a debate for you, but it does make you look foolish. For the record, I'm a sworn enemy of the LDS church, does that help? So by all means let's bash them, I don't see any around to refute us. By the way, I don't think Mormons were allowed to vote for Obama, but you know, some people will believe anything.
Nice to know your stance on LDS. Having lived twice in Utah, odds were for LDS, but that isn't a sure thing. So I'll stand corrected if you took things personally - the comments were about the LDS Church history. That said, Evangelicals are no better off than LDS if what Jesus taught is the truth...

Yes, even I am foolish at times:-)
Roman Catholic Sproul

Manassas, VA

#82 Sep 20, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Oh no, I agree, you are fascinating. Most people with wisdom or awareness don't usually make announcements regarding said wisdom. So what a refreshing approach you've decided to take. had you not made your declaration, I might not have noticed, based on other posters claims.
That's what you get for reading other peoples posts. I would suggest you only read my posts. If you print them out and memorize them they will benefit you greatly.
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>I'm so glad I found you. Surely, your not to proud to share your "awareness", so maybe you will let me pick your brain? I'll start with some easy questions, but I do have many. Not that I want to dwell on your fantasies, be they sexual or violent,{which for all I know, is the same thing to you} but I do want to get it out of the way so I will understand. Was the body slam fantasy a sin? I mean ya know, in your opinion, is it a sin like the reference to your backside? Is it specif body parts mentioned that make it a sin? Or is it, that the mention of your bum takes your mind to a sexual place that is a sin? Basically, is it the fantasy of violence that is sinful or the fantasy of sex that is sinful or both?
I suppose both are impure thoughts at the very least. I do not think we were talking of either. Everyone knows wrestling is fake. It was a joke on my part and I never actually wanted to body slam you or anyone for that matter. I don't have a body slam fantasy. I took your comment as a joke also but since going down that road may lead to an impure discussion so I avoided it. Sex is real and the vast majority of humans have those desires so we may venture into a sin of sorts, not porneia because it is an actually act. Possibly unclean thoughts, lust and so on. Wrestling violence on the other hand is not real but all pretend. If we had actual violent fantasies likewise they would not be the actual violent act but a sin related to the thought process as above. It is a constant struggle to keep ones mind on good things in this world. If I remember correctly you were a lesbian and along with your fascination with my mental brilliance you are no doubt blinded by my male attractiveness which is completely understandable. However humorous bum warmers may be that is not my style. I think you would find a more than willing participant in Mark Eden. He is into that stuff I am told.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Manassas, VA

#83 Sep 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. For these posts.
Catholics and Non-Catholics. I assume you are a non-Catholic. After that there are sub -categories.
Which subcategory do I fit into?
Roman Catholic Sproul

Manassas, VA

#84 Sep 20, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Oh no, I agree, you are fascinating. Most people with wisdom or awareness don't usually make announcements regarding said wisdom. So what a refreshing approach you've decided to take. had you not made your declaration, I might not have noticed, based on other posters claims. I'm so glad I found you. Surely, your not to proud to share your "awareness", so maybe you will let me pick your brain? I'll start with some easy questions, but I do have many. Not that I want to dwell on your fantasies, be they sexual or violent,{which for all I know, is the same thing to you} but I do want to get it out of the way so I will understand. Was the body slam fantasy a sin? I mean ya know, in your opinion, is it a sin like the reference to your backside? Is it specif body parts mentioned that make it a sin? Or is it, that the mention of your bum takes your mind to a sexual place that is a sin? Basically, is it the fantasy of violence that is sinful or the fantasy of sex that is sinful or both?
Here is a link to someone you may be interested in. Who knows if you will like it but you will never know unless you give it a try. I promise it won't hurt<wink wink>. RC Sproul is one of Mark Eden's favorite theologians and I think you might like him also.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Manassas, VA

#85 Sep 21, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>Here is a link to someone you may be interested in. Who knows if you will like it but you will never know unless you give it a try. I promise it won't hurt<wink wink>. RC Sproul is one of Mark Eden's favorite theologians and I think you might like him also.
http://www.oneplace.com/minist ries/renewing-your-mind/listen /what-manner-of-man-is-this-36 4997.html

Roman Catholic Sproul

Manassas, VA

#86 Sep 21, 2013

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