Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#41 Sep 17, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
Barns web do you agree we should know of the great false prophet today even though we may not know for sure that he is the great false prophet. Of the choices which do you think may have been the most false? Muhammad may be more of an antichrist type although I think he could be considered a false prophet also has a large following. The Pope has a large following, has occupied his thrown claiming he is vicar of Christ, worshipping Mary, and doing a lot of things contrary to the bible, including claiming the real church is not because they are not part of his church. Then we have Paul who has written most of the new testament and is not strongly verified as an apostle and does seem to sometimes be contradicting other parts of the bible. It is hard to pick of of those three not to mention other possibilities. My guess is you think Paul is the top contender but the others have done a lot of damage to Christ and what he taught also. Which do you think it might be?
The Islam founder? Prophet? Recent findings from review of the most ancient records of Islam brings to question the entire roots and text they consider from Allah. The sayings at the dome of the rock make best sense if read to think the 'blessed one'(Muhammad) is Jesus Christ, but that they believed Jesus Christ to be a mere prophet and not the son of God, and not slain on the cross and resurrected. It fits perfectly. So does historical evidence that a sect of heretical Christians were basically driven out of Jerusalem about the same time Islam started and they had gone towards where Islam started. Strange theory is also that the RCC is the actual author of the Koran? I don't know about that, but I'm pretty sure it's a fabricated religion, as LDS is. Smith claimed to be the 'American Muhammad':-), but you don't see that quote in 'faith building' LDS publications;-)

I'm still studying the teachings of Jesus and am just getting around to the end times - He gave accounts of two end times. One for Isreal/Jerusalem of His day then, another of the end time. Those who recorded some that is in our NT didn't grasp the long time span between and got some of the account out of order, and recently there looks to be a good reconciliation of the accounts in Matthew, Mark and Luke. I'll try to find the link so you can check it out. Just got my AENT back from the binder yesterday and I plan to go through the text in the Aramaic to English translation on my web site. There are things in the Aramaic that were lost in the translation to Greek - such as 'And winters will be severe.'

The more I've studied, the more I believe it was Paul, but that the fruits of the lies he told in the name of Christ have not found their full fruits yet, but I do believe the Word will be fulfilled to the letter, so I have to look for the future pair - false prophet and one who claims to be Christ or in place of Christ.

Why worry too much about what we are not told clearly, when all need to do what He said we are to be doing? If we are not busy with what we have been told to be doing - what good is it to be looking, but not doing?;-) Seems foolish to me, but related is that Revelation said the Bride will make herself ready. That gives me hope for what is ahead.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#42 Sep 17, 2013
Those who do not know the real 'That Prophet' spoken of by Moses and Peter - it is they who will certainly be led astray. When we are familiar with His teachings, His words, then we will easily recognize someone who says otherwise - if we are careful to check that they meet the standards God declared to test those who claim to speak for Him.

"Jesus Words Only" is the best book I've read on the topic to date, but he doesn't get too far into the teachings of Jesus, which seemed a bit odd that he seemed to miss some hugely important matters... in my estimation anyway.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#43 Sep 17, 2013
http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/index.ht...

See the yellow highlighted 'New'.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#44 Sep 17, 2013
Every cult and cultist is an extreme version of Protestantism.

The sociopaths love SS. Their followers can look at the scriptures and see what they are saying. "Yep they mean exactly how you interpret them."

They are the ultimate 'free thinkers'.

Once again, it is the Kingdom of god. Not a democracy of the Bible.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#45 Sep 17, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
Every cult and cultist is an extreme version of Protestantism.
The sociopaths love SS. Their followers can look at the scriptures and see what they are saying. "Yep they mean exactly how you interpret them."
They are the ultimate 'free thinkers'.
Once again, it is the Kingdom of god. Not a democracy of the Bible.
Any organization that exist and has a belief that science is being pushing aside is a cult. You may not want to believe this, but this is a fact. Remember, Jesus was also condemn because of sorcery. Because you belong to a religious organization, this is considered a cult. All religions are considered a cult. It depends on what you believe and not believe. Do you know that Moslems laugh at christians when they see Jesus on the cross. Why, how can a "god" died.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#46 Sep 17, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Any organization that exist and has a belief that science is being pushing aside is a cult. You may not want to believe this, but this is a fact. Remember, Jesus was also condemn because of sorcery. Because you belong to a religious organization, this is considered a cult. All religions are considered a cult. It depends on what you believe and not believe. Do you know that Moslems laugh at christians when they see Jesus on the cross. Why, how can a "god" died.
The CC was the world's leader in scientific discovery in the world for a long time.

It started the University system.

It has educated more people in history than all other organizations.

It kept you from being a Muslim today.

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#47 Sep 17, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
Barnsweb, I watched about the Mormon prophet Jeff Warren on Dateline I believe the other night. I didn't understand where that came from in the bible. I also looked on the internet about your Mormon posts. I did find where they get it from in scripture and it seems Warren was practicing just that. Also the slaughter sheds a different light on the Mormons, especially Brigham Young. Years ago a preacher told me the Catholics practiced the same thing about young married couples and their priests. I shrugged it off then, makes me wonder now.
I didn't think it was possible for the Sproul creep to sink any deeper into the swamp slime. I was wrong.
ROMAN Catholic Sproul

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#48 Sep 17, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't think it was possible for the Sproul creep to sink any deeper into the swamp slime. I was wrong.
Sometimes I say things in jest and you do as well. This really did happen just as I said.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#49 Sep 17, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
The CC was the world's leader in scientific discovery in the world for a long time.
It started the University system.
It has educated more people in history than all other organizations.
It kept you from being a Muslim today.
Bible, JOB say the world is round. CC taught it was flat and the center of the universe. It has not educated more people. It held back education cause it did not wanted the Church folks to learn the history of the world at the time. If it did educate, why did it go after Newton, Galiieo ETC ETC.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#50 Sep 17, 2013
ROMAN Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>Sometimes I say things in jest and you do as well. This really did happen just as I said.
And you repeated it because you are a disgusting, depraved piece of Sproul sh*t.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#51 Sep 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Animosity of Christians towards each other??? Christians don't have such a thing:-)
LDS?
That's the best lie ever dreamed up by anyone yet - beats the pants off of Islam -'Families are forever'? So how is it that Jesus taught differently, and said that ones own family would be the source of enemies/contending against us?
LDS love is shown by it's fruits:
'Sisters of Zion'
'Danites'
'Temple blood oathes'
'Mountain Meadows Massacre'- largest on American soil until 9-11
Your prophet:
married little girls and other mens wives
was a necromancer with Alvins remains to get the 'golden bible'
the Smith family was into the 'faculies of Aabrac'
But the most vile was to pretend to speak for God when God had not spoken - to add to Scripture - and that the BOA was based on pagan Egyptian 'Book of Breathings' of a pagan god (demon) to change the foundation of your faith from what God declared true to Moses in the Bible.
Jesus said to believe what Moses wrote - not what Joseph Smith Jr. wrote by the inspiration of demons.
Suggested reading for LDS:
Deut.4, 12, 13, 18; Matthew, John, I,II John, I Peter; Revelation;
'By My Own Hand Upon Papyrus'
'One Nation Under Gods'
'Blood of the Prophets'
'No Man Knows My History'
'Senate Document 189'
'Mormonism Unveiled' John D.Lee's testimony given after he took the blame for MMM and told the truth on the Church and Brigham Young.
That should entertain you enough to look at your own Church issues a while.
It is true: God is not mocked.
Yes yes, let's go after the Mormons. Those little stinkers, who do they think they are claiming to be Christian? They need some good old fashion persecution to bring them to their senses. Yes, let us look at the fruits, should we go by domination or just by mono-theism in general?
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#52 Sep 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Also Governor Ford's Memoirs of the Mormon War in Missouri. Maybe the title of the one book is 'By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus'?
I doubt you'd read any one of them though - LDS delusions are far to sacred to be shattered by the actual truth - truth cannot prevail with those who love the lie instead of loving the truth.
Nothing so warm and secure as smugness;-)
"I doubt you'd read any one of them tough" Is this an example of some of that warm smugness?
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#53 Sep 18, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>I could have a lot of fun with this but I don't want to go there for a couple of reasons. You have a off the wall sense of humor as I do. I am a Christian, not a Muslim and probably not appropriate to go down that road which is something you may not understand. I understand where you are coming from and was there before but after you are saved then we are to abstain from some of the joking around we used to do. I am Protestant not a Catholic which any change in them is unnoticeable. Another reason is if my wife finds out I am joking on here about toasted buns the only thing she will think is funny about it is the way she busts the computer screen over my head.
Assuming one "may not understand" kinda shuts down the dialogue friend, if that is your intention fine, but I see it as more of an ugly reflection on you than anything else. So far you have claimed to have walked in my shoes and seem to know what I am capable of grasping, somebody on this thread mentioned "smug" and I thought he was referring to my post, how silly of me, right? You understand me but I don't grasp you, got it. Next, let's see if I can get the other part of your post right, your fantasy of body slamming me into cyber space "good" but spanking bottoms "bad." That's some of that Christian humor, right? See I get it. Don't worry about your "wife finding out" {I'm real discreet}. Since we are not to joke around the body slam must just be your way of welcoming me? Aw good times.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#54 Sep 18, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>I was actually setting up another name. I was planning Foxy Proxy the heavyweight cyber wrestling champ, but that was probably a bad idea anyway. I got a kick out of your posts but don't get the wrong idea. I only grinned , I didn't laugh. I could share some interesting things with you but don't want to give up my identity. Lets just say Utah is great.
Understandable, a super hero never gives up his identity.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#55 Sep 18, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
Barnsweb, I watched about the Mormon prophet Jeff Warren on Dateline I believe the other night. I didn't understand where that came from in the bible. I also looked on the internet about your Mormon posts. I did find where they get it from in scripture and it seems Warren was practicing just that. Also the slaughter sheds a different light on the Mormons, especially Brigham Young. Years ago a preacher told me the Catholics practiced the same thing about young married couples and their priests. I shrugged it off then, makes me wonder now.
Aw them Mormons slaughtering all those people, no biggie, they were just paranoid. It's part of the all mono-theist tenets.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#56 Sep 18, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
The CC was the world's leader in scientific discovery in the world for a long time.
It started the University system.
It has educated more people in history than all other organizations.
It kept you from being a Muslim today.
Only in your culture.
Mike Peterson

United States

#57 Sep 18, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Only in your culture.
These are historical facts. Not religious beliefs.

Are you that ignorant of history.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#58 Sep 18, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
These are historical facts. Not religious beliefs.
Are you that ignorant of history.
you are ignorance of history. If you question or teach anything that the CC didn't want people to know or learn, you were excommnicated, or thrown in jailed or even like Joan of Arc, burn at the stake, Learn your history.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Manassas, VA

#65 Sep 18, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Assuming one "may not understand" kinda shuts down the dialogue friend, if that is your intention fine, but I see it as more of an ugly reflection on you than anything else. So far you have claimed to have walked in my shoes and seem to know what I am capable of grasping, somebody on this thread mentioned "smug" and I thought he was referring to my post, how silly of me, right? You understand me but I don't grasp you, got it. Next, let's see if I can get the other part of your post right, your fantasy of body slamming me into cyber space "good" but spanking bottoms "bad." That's some of that Christian humor, right? See I get it. Don't worry about your "wife finding out" {I'm real discreet}. Since we are not to joke around the body slam must just be your way of welcoming me? Aw good times.
You don't know much about wrestling do you? If you don't you didn't miss a thing. I believe I said body slam you upon my keyboard or something like that, it isn't worth checking. A body slam is fairly common in wrestling and is done against a hard surface where the body is picked up and slammed down by the opposing wrestler. Spanking some ones behind in wrestling is not common, actually I have never heard of it. I didn't think it would be appropriate for me to go down the road of sexual jokes. So I didn't go there even though it was humorous because I still am aware of what sin is, just that I am successful in refraining from sin sometimes but not always. There is an awareness in me that makes me do that that you don't have. No big deal,I mean if there was not a difference when Christ saves you then there is absolutely no point in being saved. Christ makes the changes. You are not going to like me or what I am saying, don't worry about it, that is to be expected. I understand that.
Mike Peterson

United States

#66 Sep 19, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> you are ignorance of history. If you question or teach anything that the CC didn't want people to know or learn, you were excommnicated, or thrown in jailed or even like Joan of Arc, burn at the stake, Learn your history.
Joan of Arc is a Saint in the Catholic Church. Her feast day is May 30th.

Where do you go on Sunday or Saturday morning? You know being a Catholic you are definitely a heretic. I know the burning stakes are booked ahead for a few years. Its not too late for you. What are you going to tell Jesus when he asks why you left his church. I gave you a Catholic family and you rejected me.

Are are to ashamed to say. Are you a Bible and Me person

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