Is Jesus your Lord and Savior

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#144 Jul 29, 2014
Bobby wrote:
Do Catholics speak in tongues?
Yes -forked tongues...
coroshodoba ishi codroshodoba isha manarashabadada
ishi coroshodobadaishi na ba ba ba rama ishi coroshodaba marishi noracoshodab ma ma ma rasha ishi coroshoda bab ba ba shoro mara ishi na nana .....

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#145 Jul 29, 2014
William wrote:
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I can even tell that you aren't a Hebrew.
Since there is neither Jew nor Greek, as you rightly pointed out, you can't be a Hebrew.
Since this was written after there was neither Jew nor Greek in the church You do realize whom this was addressed to dont you?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#146 Jul 29, 2014
Evangelicals: I was once lost and now I am found.

Catholics: I was once saved and now I am lost.
William

Opelika, AL

#147 Jul 29, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Since this was written after there was neither Jew nor Greek in the church You do realize whom this was addressed to dont you?
It was written to Hebrews that were present at Pentecost.

Which ain't you.

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#148 Jul 29, 2014
Bobby wrote:
Evangelicals: I was once lost and now I am found.
Catholics: I was once saved and now I am lost.
Were you saved at the foot of cross, or when the COC baptized you, or when you let Jesus Christ come into your heart at some altar call with no altar?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#149 Jul 29, 2014
How catholics are saved:

You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

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#150 Jul 29, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Were you saved at the foot of cross, or when the COC baptized you, or when you let Jesus Christ come into your heart at some altar call with no altar?
Were you saved 3 times or 1 time?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#151 Jul 29, 2014
How catholics are saved:

You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

They are never sure they are saved=no confidence in the power of the cross.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#152 Jul 29, 2014
Rom. 3:24, "being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;"

Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."

Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."

Rom. 4:3, "For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."

Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#153 Jul 29, 2014
What does it mean to be righteous???
Albert Walker

Manassas, VA

#155 Jul 29, 2014
Lisa wrote:
How can people be that dumb to make Mary an idol or equal with Jesus? I will create an account later after I read more on here. For those interested I am a woman preacher and am not one bit ashamed to say so.
I find it interesting that as a woman you seem willing to discuss women preachers. I say that because it is men that usually defend it more than women. I do sense that some women I have discussed it with inside did feel it was wrong or they were ashamed. I would like to discuss why you think it is alright for a woman to preach when there is no bible example of a woman preacher.
William

Birmingham, AL

#156 Jul 29, 2014
Albert Walker wrote:
I would like to discuss why you think it is alright for a woman to preach when there is no bible example of a woman preacher.
Acts 18:24-26

24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Looks like Priscilla knew something that Apollos didn't.
Dave P

Wallingford, KY

#157 Jul 30, 2014
Randy wrote:
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How is Bobby's view "cheap grace"? I side with Bobby in regards to a system that believes its deeds earn/merit standing with God. It seems you are leaning more and more to Catholicism Dave. I understand your frustration with evangelicalism, I truly do. However, I do NOT believe the Catholic system to be a better choice.
Cheap grace= faith only, simply believing and being "saved". That concept is found nowhere in scripture because faith has to be mixed with action to be true faith. Salvation is a process and as Mike says, I have been saved I am saved I am being saved.

Works always gets turned into "works of the law" yet that isn't the truth. Why is it catholic/coc are always accused of trying to MERIT Gods favor when all they are saying is "God said so and i will do it"?

I wasnt trying to save myself or earn salvation by my works at my baptism. Just doing what God said. Yet the dispensationalist/evangelical screams "works!!!!!!!" To the heavens over that.

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#158 Jul 30, 2014
Bobby wrote:
There are some people who are dividers not uniters- they leave a cesspool in their wake. Yes Jesus is Lord, he is God, he is King, master, ruler, savior and dozens of other references.
Where the division comes, is to try to use titles in a way to divide. Saying Jesus is Lord should not be a divisive title. I have some business cards where I say "Jesus is Lord". I believe he is Lord over all. Some seek to use that term in connection to works based salvation which I believe is a misuse of the title.
The title I like is Savior. Because he came to save sinners. The title sinners fits all of us.
Amen. Every protester is a divider. Look in the mirror. Look at history The world saw us as one until 1500.

You don't believe your business cards, do you?

You like the word Savior., Of course you do. That is what I mean by you letting him save you on your own terms. You like the term Savior. You ignore most of the body.

Not Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

You personally interpret dead faith to mean false faith. Dead = False . Asinine. No wonder you pick your Church because the seats are comfortable and the preacher man and you are on the same page.

We all don't die, we false when we live this world

Since: Jul 14

Pune, India

#159 Jul 30, 2014
Christ is the savior and the lord. He is our redeemer and shows the right and positive path towards life whoever follows the values of Christianity.
Crosspointe Church
Yorba Linda, CA
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#160 Jul 30, 2014
I can't see why some of you cannot get this:

Let's take this in backwards order.

Eph 2:10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

But how were we created IN Christ?

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

The current Church I am in has an incredible amount of good works, much more than the coc's I was once a part of.

The difference is we do not look at our works as a condition of our salvation...
Randy

Axton, VA

#161 Jul 30, 2014
Dave P wrote:
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Cheap grace= faith only, simply believing and being "saved". That concept is found nowhere in scripture because faith has to be mixed with action to be true faith. Salvation is a process and as Mike says, I have been saved I am saved I am being saved.
Works always gets turned into "works of the law" yet that isn't the truth. Why is it catholic/coc are always accused of trying to MERIT Gods favor when all they are saying is "God said so and i will do it"?
I wasnt trying to save myself or earn salvation by my works at my baptism. Just doing what God said. Yet the dispensationalist/evangelical screams "works!!!!!!!" To the heavens over that.
There does exist cheap grace, which, as you said, is people who merely believe the facts about the gospel then claim to be saved yet live like any other sinner. I agree, those type of people exist. Sadly, some use “grace” as a license to sin. On the flip side, there are others who appreciate “grace” and do not treat it cheap.

Far as salvation being a “process”, I disagree. I believe salvation is a complete work of God. Perhaps a process in the sense that we work out our salvation. Maybe we are just stating things differently, I don’t know. Just as you, I do not see obeying God to be earning salvation. It becomes “merit” when we believe that “our works” assist God in salvation as if we keep saved BY our works.“Works” are a bi-product of “being saved”.“Works” are not a condition of our salvation. If so, how many works? Doesn’t God demand “perfection”?

I believe a saved person is compelled by love [2 Corinthians 5:14] to do what is right. I agree, God said so and we should do it. However, perfect love will cast out fear [1 John 4:18] and it will “work” not as one attempting to save himself but as one compelled by love. In other words,“works” will flow naturally from one who understands that Jesus saved him and gave him salvation. We do not work from fear as if it’s a “process” I must maintain by works. We work because we know what Jesus done on our behalf. None of us can present our works to God as payment because none of us are sin free. We lack perfection thus the need for Jesus Who paid in full what we cannot. What a beautiful thing, Dave. Jesus done for us what we cannot do. Now we can enter that “rest”[Hebrews 4:1-10] trusting in Jesus, not ourselves.

You are right in regards to baptism. I know of people who have told me that baptism is a work of merit. They are dead wrong. How can doing what God commanded be meriting salvation?

Notice, I said what God “commanded”. If God commands something, then it is our duty as Christians to obey. Again, not because its “how” we stay saved but because we “are” saved.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#162 Jul 30, 2014
When people bind their works as a condition of their salvation, then they can never know when or if they have done enough to stay saved. There are so many scripture that tell us our salvation is not tied to our works that I don't see how we can miss it..

But actually I do see how-here is why:

When the only church you know teaches works salvation from the cradle to the grave, it becomes a part of your psychological make up. It is fear that keeps those people from seeing anything else.

And the funny thing is that your works are no better than the same people you claim have cheap grace.

There is nothing cheap about grace- it cost Jesus his physical life blood to open the door for all of of us to enter his GRACE.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#164 Jul 30, 2014
Randy wrote:
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There does exist cheap grace, which, as you said, is people who merely believe the facts about the gospel then claim to be saved yet live like any other sinner. I agree, those type of people exist. Sadly, some use “grace” as a license to sin. On the flip side, there are others who appreciate “grace” and do not treat it cheap.
Far as salvation being a “process”, I disagree. I believe salvation is a complete work of God. Perhaps a process in the sense that we work out our salvation. Maybe we are just stating things differently, I don’t know. Just as you, I do not see obeying God to be earning salvation. It becomes “merit” when we believe that “our works” assist God in salvation as if we keep saved BY our works.“Works” are a bi-product of “being saved”.“Works” are not a condition of our salvation. If so, how many works? Doesn’t God demand “perfection”?
I believe a saved person is compelled by love [2 Corinthians 5:14] to do what is right. I agree, God said so and we should do it. However, perfect love will cast out fear [1 John 4:18] and it will “work” not as one attempting to save himself but as one compelled by love. In other words,“works” will flow naturally from one who understands that Jesus saved him and gave him salvation. We do not work from fear as if it’s a “process” I must maintain by works. We work because we know what Jesus done on our behalf. None of us can present our works to God as payment because none of us are sin free. We lack perfection thus the need for Jesus Who paid in full what we cannot. What a beautiful thing, Dave. Jesus done for us what we cannot do. Now we can enter that “rest”[Hebrews 4:1-10] trusting in Jesus, not ourselves.
You are right in regards to baptism. I know of people who have told me that baptism is a work of merit. They are dead wrong. How can doing what God commanded be meriting salvation?
Notice, I said what God “commanded”. If God commands something, then it is our duty as Christians to obey. Again, not because its “how” we stay saved but because we “are” saved.
Very well said. Water baptism is an obedience issue. I often question how many things in our daily walk that we disobey and either never know it or just think it is not important.

I do believe that is the thief on the cross could have gotten down off the cross he would have surely been water baptized.

Abraham and many other faithful followers of God never even knew of water baptism. If Abraham could be justified by faith in God's promise, so can we. They looked forward to the cross, we look backwards to the cross. That is where the penalty for our sin was paid.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#165 Jul 30, 2014
Think about this: Is there anything we can do that obligates God to save us???

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