Early Believers and Scripture

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#285 Oct 24, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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The Church doesn't even care what you think it means. You are only relevant in your own mind on what the Bible teaches.
Your thoughts on it are one of millions different ones. Totally meaningless.
There has been and will continue to be 1 Church until the end of ages, the pillar of truth, the authority to forgive or not forgive sins, who speaks for Jesus, who can bind and loosen.
Jesus promised us that.
Denial of the word of God is what people do that dont want to obey the eternal God. Remind us how that first century church was perfect.
Annoying Proxy

Manassas, VA

#286 Oct 24, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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The Church doesn't even care what you think it means. You are only relevant in your own mind on what the Bible teaches.
Your thoughts on it are one of millions different ones. Totally meaningless.
There has been and will continue to be 1 Church until the end of ages, the pillar of truth, the authority to forgive or not forgive sins, who speaks for Jesus, who can bind and loosen.
Jesus promised us that.
Jesus is perfectly capable of speaking for himself but the bible says he spoke the commandments of his Father and did his Fathers will. The church is likewise to strive to do the Fathers will and I have shown the real meaning of that verse before to no avail. At any rate it was never intended the church create it's own will but rather do the will which God himself created for it.

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#287 Oct 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Denial of the word of God is what people do that dont want to obey the eternal God. Remind us how that first century church was perfect.
Remind us where we can find the documented history of your little denomination. I am particularly interested in its activities during the 3rd and 4th centuries and how those activities are in evidence today.

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#288 Oct 24, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Remind us where we can find the documented history of your little denomination. I am particularly interested in its activities during the 3rd and 4th centuries and how those activities are in evidence today.
Remind us where the bible says that history trumps scripture. Remind us where the bible says tradition trumps scripture. Remind us where the bible says man can make his own church and call it Gods??
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#289 Oct 24, 2013
Paul on the Law given Moses
Paul teaches the opposite. The Law given Moses is
abolished, done away with, nailed to a tree, has faded away,
See, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Cor. 3:11-17,
Romans 7:13 et seq, and Galatians 3:19 et seq.7 If we were to
cite Paul’s condemnations of the Law in one string, the point
is self-evident that Paul abrogated the Law for everyone. See
2 Cor. 2:14 (“old covenant”); Gal. 5:1 (“yoke of bondage”);
Rom. 10:4 (“Christ is end of the law”); 2 Cor. 3:7 (“law of
death”); Gal. 5:1 (“entangles”); Col. 2:14-17 (“a shadow”);
Rom. 3:27 (“law of works”); Rom. 4:15 (“works wrath”); 2
Cor. 3:9 (ministration of condemnation); Gal. 2:16 (“cannot
justify”); Gal. 3:21 (cannot give life); Col. 2:14 (“wiped out”
exaleipsas); Gal. 3:19, 4:8-9 (“given by angels...who are no
gods [and are] weak and beggarly celestial beings/elements”).

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#290 Oct 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Remind us where the bible says that history trumps scripture. Remind us where the bible says tradition trumps scripture. Remind us where the bible says man can make his own church and call it Gods??
It's right there where it says Alexander Campbell and Daniel Sommer made up your little denomination and had the nerve to call it the Church of Christ while singing Baptist hymns sans piano.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#291 Oct 24, 2013
Mark, dare please do note what you believe is wrong with the doctrine/teachings at the core of the Church of Christ. I have not a few gripes against some of their doctrines, but they call all be summed up in their not abiding in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Taking the charge of Jesus in the great commission of Matthew as the correct 'pattern' or 'outline' of His directions, can you also show where what the CC teaches DOES match their long-standing 2000 history to 'abide' in the things taught by Jesus and how they ensure believers are taught His doctrine - what He said is the doctrine of God?

What doctrines of the Church of Christ set aside any of the doctrines taught by Jesus?
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#292 Oct 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Paul on the Law given Moses
Paul teaches the opposite. The Law given Moses is
abolished, done away with, nailed to a tree, has faded away,
See, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Cor. 3:11-17,
Romans 7:13 et seq, and Galatians 3:19 et seq.7 If we were to
cite Paul’s condemnations of the Law in one string, the point
is self-evident that Paul abrogated the Law for everyone. See
2 Cor. 2:14 (“old covenant”); Gal. 5:1 (“yoke of bondage”);
Rom. 10:4 (“Christ is end of the law”); 2 Cor. 3:7 (“law of
death”); Gal. 5:1 (“entangles”); Col. 2:14-17 (“a shadow”);
Rom. 3:27 (“law of works”); Rom. 4:15 (“works wrath”); 2
Cor. 3:9 (ministration of condemnation); Gal. 2:16 (“cannot
justify”); Gal. 3:21 (cannot give life); Col. 2:14 (“wiped out”
exaleipsas); Gal. 3:19, 4:8-9 (“given by angels...who are no
gods [and are] weak and beggarly celestial beings/elements”).
http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/images/stories/...
This is awfully one sided. Especially coming from a guy who doesn't believe in the Godhead and think the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. His arguments are biased and taken out of context. He thinks the gospel of Barnabas helps form a Jesus-Muslim document.

Indeed, it is fruitcake weather out there.
William

Phenix City, AL

#293 Oct 24, 2013
Paul isn't the reason why Muslims won't believe who Jesus is. You can lay that at the feet of their clerics. And that will never change.

Jesus will never be given any pre-eminence over Muhammad, Paul or no.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#294 Oct 25, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Mark, dare please do note what you believe is wrong with the doctrine/teachings at the core of the Church of Christ. I have not a few gripes against some of their doctrines, but they call all be summed up in their not abiding in the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Taking the charge of Jesus in the great commission of Matthew as the correct 'pattern' or 'outline' of His directions, can you also show where what the CC teaches DOES match their long-standing 2000 history to 'abide' in the things taught by Jesus and how they ensure believers are taught His doctrine - what He said is the doctrine of God?
What doctrines of the Church of Christ set aside any of the doctrines taught by Jesus?
No valid Priests. They profane the body and blood of Christ. Just 2 off the top of my head as the COC is completely unheard of except in Texas and Tennessee and a few surrounding states so I dont know the particulars.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#295 Oct 26, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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This is awfully one sided. Especially coming from a guy who doesn't believe in the Godhead and think the Muslim Allah is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. His arguments are biased and taken out of context. He thinks the gospel of Barnabas helps form a Jesus-Muslim document.
Indeed, it is fruitcake weather out there.
In the Aramaic one of the names for God is very close to Alla - Allaha... the way languages change, you should be more gracious.

How is it possible for Paul to have said what he said in the passages quoted and to still be a true messenger, witness or apostle of Jesus Christ?

It isn't possible.

Paul on the Law given Moses
Paul teaches the opposite. The Law given Moses is
abolished, done away with, nailed to a tree, has faded away,
See, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Cor. 3:11-17,
Romans 7:13 et seq, and Galatians 3:19 et seq.7 If we were to
cite Paul’s condemnations of the Law in one string, the point
is self-evident that Paul abrogated the Law for everyone. See
2 Cor. 2:14 (“old covenant”); Gal. 5:1 (“yoke of bondage”);
Rom. 10:4 (“Christ is end of the law”); 2 Cor. 3:7 (“law of
death”); Gal. 5:1 (“entangles”); Col. 2:14-17 (“a shadow”);
Rom. 3:27 (“law of works”); Rom. 4:15 (“works wrath”); 2
Cor. 3:9 (ministration of condemnation); Gal. 2:16 (“cannot
justify”); Gal. 3:21 (cannot give life); Col. 2:14 (“wiped out”
exaleipsas); Gal. 3:19, 4:8-9 (“given by angels...who are no
gods [and are] weak and beggarly celestial beings/elements”).
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#296 Oct 26, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Remind us where the bible says that history trumps scripture. Remind us where the bible says tradition trumps scripture. Remind us where the bible says man can make his own church and call it Gods??
Remind us where the Bible mentions the Bible?

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#297 Oct 26, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Remind us where the Bible mentions the Bible?
Some folks just can't handle the fact that two men, Alexander Campbell and Daniel Sommer, created a denomination and called it the Church of Christ.
William

Birmingham, AL

#298 Oct 26, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Remind us where the Bible mentions the Bible?
It's right next to "Pope".

(And lots of other non-words)
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#299 Oct 26, 2013
William wrote:
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It's right next to "Pope".
(And lots of other non-words)
Exactly why Jesus left us a Church and not a book. The Church gave us the Bible.

To think you can interpret it 1600 years later. What a crock.
William

Goodwater, AL

#300 Oct 26, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Exactly why Jesus left us a Church and not a book. The Church gave us the Bible
To think you can interpret it 1600 years later. What a crock.
Sure I can. You can too. And without the help of a priest, Church of Christ preacher, or Western Civ. professor.

Study, to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Interesting then that Paul never told Timothy that he needed to "shew himself approved" unto a Catholic priest or Baptist preacher, isn't it.
William

Goodwater, AL

#301 Oct 26, 2013
Got a Final Exam coming, boys. Better hit the books.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#302 Oct 26, 2013
William wrote:
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Sure I can. You can too. And without the help of a priest, Church of Christ preacher, or Western Civ. professor.
Study, to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Interesting then that Paul never told Timothy that he needed to "shew himself approved" unto a Catholic priest or Baptist preacher, isn't it.
God is not doing a good job approving the workmen then.

Since: Jun 11

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#303 Oct 26, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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God is not doing a good job approving the workmen then.
William has killed a lot of muslims so he's allowed to say stupid stuff.
William

Goodwater, AL

#304 Oct 26, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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William has killed a lot of muslims so he's allowed to say stupid stuff.
There were probably some atheists too.

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