Lord's Supper thoughts

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Dave P

Lexington, KY

#1 Jun 17, 2013
The Oral word of God (Tradition) started on Pentecost, the day the Church was started.

Dave- Mike P. posted this quote a few minutes ago. The actual quote isn't my concern; but the part that the day the church was born on Pentecost is where I'll start.

This catholic battle has been ongoing for a while, and the Lord's Supper/Mass is a big part of it. The first quote is very important. Jesus said something on the night He was betrayed that has meaning for Mike's quote:

Matthew 26:29- "I will not drink of this fruit of the vine (NOT BLOOD) from now on until that day when I drink it new with you (plural) IN MY FATHER'S KINGDOM".

If Jesus is telling the truth, then He would not partake of the supper until the kingdom was present and His disciples were there as well. Why does this matter?

Many believers think that the church is the kingdom of God on earth. I am one. Several people also see the events of Luke 24:28-35 as being the Lord's Supper. Some take the statement in verse 35-"how He was known to them in the breaking of bread"- and stretch that into doctrine somehow for us.

The problem is, the kingdom had not come yet. This was on Resurrection day. Pentecost was still a while off yet. The church hadn't been born yet; the kingdom wasn't here. Another problem is that possibly only one of the eleven was present in Emmaus. Jesus said He would eat and drink it new with you, PLURAL.

Jesus also had not begun to teach them "things pertaining to the kingdom of God". To say this is the Lord's Supper in Luke 24 is stretching the scripture beyond the breaking point.

More to come.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#2 Jun 17, 2013
The Eucharist is therefore a vital part of the finished work of the Cross: specifically, it's the application of that work.

*The statement "finished work of the cross" is one of the biggest fallacies in Christian speech. Jesus's work wasn't finished on the cross. What specifically is the gospel? The death, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION. Those last two are after the cross. And what, nothing about the Ascention? Is that the forgotten work of Christ? Why is it important?

Many would argue from Hebrews 9:11-12; 23-28 that His work wasn't finished until after He ascended on high; offering His blood in the heavenly Holy Place; a one time offering for sin, not to be offered again or suffer again.

The typological teaching in Hebrews comes from the priesthood, and the services offered on the Day of Atonement. Hebrews 9 the passover isn't in view here.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#3 Jun 17, 2013
Have you ever heard the departed Dr. Eugene Scott teaching on the Lord's Supper? He took a unique perspective from other 'protestants' and it made a lot of sense to me.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#4 Jun 17, 2013
I just read some of his teaching on it. Honestly, what he says does make much sense. I am a little leery of the "healing" idea, but otherwise pretty good.

I think we need balance when it comes to communion teaching. It is obviously important; some put seemingly almost no emphasis on it-others make it a be all/end all along with baptism.
johnny

Martinsville, VA

#5 Jul 29, 2013
where did you go randy i mean dave p
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#6 Jul 29, 2013
Dave P wrote:
The Oral word of God (Tradition) started on Pentecost, the day the Church was started.
Dave- Mike P. posted this quote a few minutes ago. The actual quote isn't my concern; but the part that the day the church was born on Pentecost is where I'll start.
This catholic battle has been ongoing for a while, and the Lord's Supper/Mass is a big part of it. The first quote is very important. Jesus said something on the night He was betrayed that has meaning for Mike's quote:
Matthew 26:29- "I will not drink of this fruit of the vine (NOT BLOOD) from now on until that day when I drink it new with you (plural) IN MY FATHER'S KINGDOM".
If Jesus is telling the truth, then He would not partake of the supper until the kingdom was present and His disciples were there as well. Why does this matter?
Many believers think that the church is the kingdom of God on earth. I am one. Several people also see the events of Luke 24:28-35 as being the Lord's Supper. Some take the statement in verse 35-"how He was known to them in the breaking of bread"- and stretch that into doctrine somehow for us.
The problem is, the kingdom had not come yet. This was on Resurrection day. Pentecost was still a while off yet. The church hadn't been born yet; the kingdom wasn't here. Another problem is that possibly only one of the eleven was present in Emmaus. Jesus said He would eat and drink it new with you, PLURAL.
Jesus also had not begun to teach them "things pertaining to the kingdom of God". To say this is the Lord's Supper in Luke 24 is stretching the scripture beyond the breaking point.
More to come.
You my friend is the first to understand that the New Coventance has not taken place yet. Mankind is still doing the things he was doing when the Christ was here 2,000 years ago. Nothing change, therefore the Kingdom has not arrived yet. You understand the power of the human heart and brain that will prevail. E=MC2. All things are relative.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#7 Jul 29, 2013
Dave P wrote:
The Oral word of God (Tradition) started on Pentecost, the day the Church was started.
Dave- Mike P. posted this quote a few minutes ago. The actual quote isn't my concern; but the part that the day the church was born on Pentecost is where I'll start.
This catholic battle has been ongoing for a while, and the Lord's Supper/Mass is a big part of it. The first quote is very important. Jesus said something on the night He was betrayed that has meaning for Mike's quote:
Matthew 26:29- "I will not drink of this fruit of the vine (NOT BLOOD) from now on until that day when I drink it new with you (plural) IN MY FATHER'S KINGDOM".
If Jesus is telling the truth, then He would not partake of the supper until the kingdom was present and His disciples were there as well. Why does this matter?
Many believers think that the church is the kingdom of God on earth. I am one. Several people also see the events of Luke 24:28-35 as being the Lord's Supper. Some take the statement in verse 35-"how He was known to them in the breaking of bread"- and stretch that into doctrine somehow for us.
The problem is, the kingdom had not come yet. This was on Resurrection day. Pentecost was still a while off yet. The church hadn't been born yet; the kingdom wasn't here. Another problem is that possibly only one of the eleven was present in Emmaus. Jesus said He would eat and drink it new with you, PLURAL.
Jesus also had not begun to teach them "things pertaining to the kingdom of God". To say this is the Lord's Supper in Luke 24 is stretching the scripture beyond the breaking point.
More to come.
Since what you do on Sunday morning while calling it the Lord's Welchs Supper is invalid anyway it doesn't matter.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#8 Jul 29, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Since what you do on Sunday morning while calling it the Lord's Welchs Supper is invalid anyway it doesn't matter.
In reality, Jesus was celebrating Passover, which we call the "last Supper"

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#9 Jul 29, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> In reality, Jesus was celebrating Passover, which we call the "last Supper"
I don't know why I bother with you. In reality, there are major controversies about the Passover connection because the dates don't match up with what we read in the synoptic Gospels and John. My position is that I just don't know but for sure Welchs was not on the menu.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#10 Jul 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know why I bother with you. In reality, there are major controversies about the Passover connection because the dates don't match up with what we read in the synoptic Gospels and John. My position is that I just don't know but for sure Welchs was not on the menu.
My belief is that the the sacrifice of Jesus was the finish of the Passover meal the night before. In the Passover meal there are 4 cups of wine. Before he left for the garden he had not presented the 4th cup.

Throughout his passion he denied any drink. At the very end when he knew it death was , he drank the wine vinegar that was on a hyssop stick, which was foretold in the OT. He then said "It is finished and died". What was finished? Many things, but the immediate thing was the the Passover meal.

What was left was the eating of the slain lamb, Jesus. In fact all of the lamb had to be eaten or the firstborn would have been killed during the Passover.

What do we see in Revelation, the lamb on the altar, Jesus.

We see in John 6 where he says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, he have no life in you.

Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world , have mercy on us.

Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world, grant us peace.

Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of he world.

Lord, I am not worthy that you shall enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.

The body and blood of Christ.

Amen!!!!

killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#11 Jul 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know why I bother with you. In reality, there are major controversies about the Passover connection because the dates don't match up with what we read in the synoptic Gospels and John. My position is that I just don't know but for sure Welchs was not on the menu.
Please read history. To this day The Greek church and the Temples, still celebrate Easter and Passover at the same time. Less see how much you claim you know. Jesus said he'll be "back" in three days after he died on the cross. Friday afternoon to Sunday morning, unless math change, is really 1 1/2 days, not 3 days. base on history and the Jewish Passover, what day did jesus die on the cross. Remember the concern of the folks when they took him down from the cross and the traditional ritual of "cleaning" the body, has they buried him. P S How did the traditional beliefs come about saying Friday was the day Jesus died.. Do you really know your History?

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#12 Jul 30, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
My belief is that the the sacrifice of Jesus was the finish of the Passover meal the night before. In the Passover meal there are 4 cups of wine. Before he left for the garden he had not presented the 4th cup.
Throughout his passion he denied any drink. At the very end when he knew it death was , he drank the wine vinegar that was on a hyssop stick, which was foretold in the OT. He then said "It is finished and died". What was finished? Many things, but the immediate thing was the the Passover meal.
What was left was the eating of the slain lamb, Jesus. In fact all of the lamb had to be eaten or the firstborn would have been killed during the Passover.
What do we see in Revelation, the lamb on the altar, Jesus.
We see in John 6 where he says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, he have no life in you.
Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world , have mercy on us.
Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.
Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world, grant us peace.
Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of he world.
Lord, I am not worthy that you shall enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
The body and blood of Christ.
Amen!!!!
Several years ago it was popular to have "Christian" Passover Seders. I attended a couple of these and even cooked the lamb. It may well be that you are correct about the Institution of the Eucharist taking place during the Passover meal and it's certainly what I have always understood. There are historians who also put forth the possibility that it was at ordinary meal concurrent with the time of Passover due to discrepancies in the dates and the known Passover rituals. Here is an interesting article http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/peop...
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#13 Jul 30, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
My belief is that the the sacrifice of Jesus was the finish of the Passover meal the night before. In the Passover meal there are 4 cups of wine. Before he left for the garden he had not presented the 4th cup.
Throughout his passion he denied any drink. At the very end when he knew it death was , he drank the wine vinegar that was on a hyssop stick, which was foretold in the OT. He then said "It is finished and died". What was finished? Many things, but the immediate thing was the the Passover meal.
What was left was the eating of the slain lamb, Jesus. In fact all of the lamb had to be eaten or the firstborn would have been killed during the Passover.
What do we see in Revelation, the lamb on the altar, Jesus.
We see in John 6 where he says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, he have no life in you.
Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world , have mercy on us.
Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.
Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world, grant us peace.
Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of he world.
Lord, I am not worthy that you shall enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
The body and blood of Christ.
Amen!!!!
When Jesus said it is finish, he showed the universe beings that we are worthy of being saved and becoming part of the universal family, which the CC call the "holy Family" . This is the term "Lamb of God" who take away the sins of the world grant us peace
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#14 Jul 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
Several years ago it was popular to have "Christian" Passover Seders. I attended a couple of these and even cooked the lamb. It may well be that you are correct about the Institution of the Eucharist taking place during the Passover meal and it's certainly what I have always understood. There are historians who also put forth the possibility that it was at ordinary meal concurrent with the time of Passover due to discrepancies in the dates and the known Passover rituals. Here is an interesting article http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/peop...
We had a priest at one time who had a Jewish dad.

We could experience the Seder Supper too if we wanted to. It helps bring history to life.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#15 Jul 30, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> When Jesus said it is finish, he showed the universe beings that we are worthy of being saved and becoming part of the universal family, which the CC call the "holy Family" . This is the term "Lamb of God" who take away the sins of the world grant us peace
Dude Dude Dude
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#16 Jul 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude Dude Dude
What is it that you think is wrong. Didn't Jesus died for our sins. Has the Catholics believe , he open the gates of heaven. Isn't that what he did. when he said it is finish. I guess you don't see the Ot on what the prophecy was. It a done deal against Satan. He lost, and the 2nd Adam won. It's say in Revelations 22 verse 12 "I am the alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Happy are they who wash their robes that the authority to go to the tree of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by it's gates". I think in the beginning of Genesis where we took from the tree of knowledge, and were told to leave the garden, but a redeemer will come to save us. Again for some one who "knows" you seem to be forgetful lately.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#17 Jul 30, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> What is it that you think is wrong. Didn't Jesus died for our sins. Has the Catholics believe , he open the gates of heaven. Isn't that what he did. when he said it is finish. I guess you don't see the Ot on what the prophecy was. It a done deal against Satan. He lost, and the 2nd Adam won. It's say in Revelations 22 verse 12 "I am the alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Happy are they who wash their robes that the authority to go to the tree of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by it's gates". I think in the beginning of Genesis where we took from the tree of knowledge, and were told to leave the garden, but a redeemer will come to save us. Again for some one who "knows" you seem to be forgetful lately.
What a burden your mother, father, neighbors or warden must have.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#18 Jul 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
What a burden your mother, father, neighbors or warden must have.
Are you saying what I wrote is not in the bible or the revelations. If you are, who is talking stupid. I gave you the chapter and verse. You don't want to look it up, then you just condemn yourself to what is fact against what you want to believe. Are you Catholic?

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