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#164 Jul 16, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The Thessalonians were upset because Paul was telling them what the scriptures meant and they did not agree. Sola Scriptura. They were like protestants today. They did not agree with his interpretation..
The Bereans agreed with Paul. He represented the Church Paul preached and the Bereans said yes he is right. They searched the scriptures and found what Paul was teaching about. They were more noble because they didn't run Paul out of town.
Protestants are the modern day Thessalonians. They disagree with the Church.
Paul did not represent the Church sorry, his teaching was always based on one thing. Christ and Him Crucified. I noticed you didnt answer if there was error in the first Century churches. Now remember the Apostles were complete in all Truth.
William

Alexander City, AL

#165 Jul 16, 2013
Paul preached grace to the law-keeping Jews at Thessalonica and they ran him out. Paul was no Catholic priest spouting off about Mary, sacraments, and Peter being the first pope.

He preached Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Because that is ALL that Paul was sent to do.

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#166 Jul 16, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Have they given up molesting alter boys?
You are disgusting. And so effing dumb you can't even spell the word right.
William

Alexander City, AL

#167 Jul 16, 2013
I find it very interesting that not once in Paul's 13 epistles does he use the words "priest" or "priesthood", and never refers to himself as a priest, or tell Timothy and others that they are priests.

Probably just slipped his mind.

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#168 Jul 16, 2013
William wrote:
I find it very interesting that not once in Paul's 13 epistles does he use the words "priest" or "priesthood", and never refers to himself as a priest, or tell Timothy and others that they are priests.
Probably just slipped his mind.
However the Hebrew writer does I believe call the christians a royal priesthood.
William

Alexander City, AL

#169 Jul 16, 2013
That's because the writer of Hebrews is writing to Hebrews.

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#170 Jul 16, 2013
William wrote:
That's because the writer of Hebrews is writing to Hebrews.
So which people are to be priest?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#171 Jul 16, 2013
William wrote:
Paul preached grace to the law-keeping Jews at Thessalonica and they ran him out. Paul was no Catholic priest spouting off about Mary, sacraments, and Peter being the first pope.
He preached Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Because that is ALL that Paul was sent to do.
He preached. No NT Bible Study. This was after Pentecost. The Church was in existence.

Oral Teaching. Tradition.

Jesus said go forth and preach and baptize, not write anything. Less than half of them did that we know of. We are glad they did and that the CC was led to declare their writings the inspired written word of God.

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#172 Jul 16, 2013
William wrote:
I find it very interesting that not once in Paul's 13 epistles does he use the words "priest" or "priesthood", and never refers to himself as a priest, or tell Timothy and others that they are priests.
Probably just slipped his mind.
I'm not a linguistic scholar like you but don't the words "presbyteros or presbuteros" appear in those writings? That would be priest from Old English sometimes translated as elder. It is perhaps unfortunate that the word is the only one now used to describe many disparate religious functionaries.
William

Alexander City, AL

#173 Jul 16, 2013
Nobody else seemed to have any difficulty writing the word "priest" when the issue was about priests.

Jewish and Hebrew priests, depending on the book or epistle. There are no gentile priests. And Paul is the apostle to the gentiles, not Peter. Erasmus, Tertullian, and Company must've overlooked this little tid-bit of useful information. It is also interesting to take note of the fact that none of these so-called "early church fathers" bothered to ask just WHY another apostle has to come along, when 11 who were physically around Jesus for 3-1/2 years were given his marching orders.

Then this dude shows up. Weird, huh.

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#174 Jul 16, 2013
William wrote:
Nobody else seemed to have any difficulty writing the word "priest" when the issue was about priests.
Jewish and Hebrew priests, depending on the book or epistle. There are no gentile priests. And Paul is the apostle to the gentiles, not Peter. Erasmus, Tertullian, and Company must've overlooked this little tid-bit of useful information. It is also interesting to take note of the fact that none of these so-called "early church fathers" bothered to ask just WHY another apostle has to come along, when 11 who were physically around Jesus for 3-1/2 years were given his marching orders.
Then this dude shows up. Weird, huh.
As I said it is unfortunate the English word "priest" is used for many purposes. It is simply does not have the same origin as that for Jewish priests. I seem to recall the Anglican Church in Australia has stopped calling its priests priests but now calls them Presbyters, a more authentic name.

Also you are probably not aware that a Disciple and an Apostle are not the same thing. A Disciple can be an Apostle but an Apostle cannot be a Disciple!
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#175 Jul 16, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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As I said it is unfortunate the English word "priest" is used for many purposes. It is simply does not have the same origin as that for Jewish priests. I seem to recall the Anglican Church in Australia has stopped calling its priests priests but now calls them Presbyters, a more authentic name.
Also you are probably not aware that a Disciple and an Apostle are not the same thing. A Disciple can be an Apostle but an Apostle cannot be a Disciple!
Baloney!

A disciple is any follower of Jesus. Therefore, all the apostles were disciples. But not all disciples were apostles.

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#176 Jul 16, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Baloney!
A disciple is any follower of Jesus. Therefore, all the apostles were disciples. But not all disciples were apostles.
You sir continually prove you are an idiot but then I'm sure you learned your wrong definitions in Bible church. I would demand my money back.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#177 Jul 16, 2013
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You sir continually prove you are an idiot but then I'm sure you learned your wrong definitions in Bible church. I would demand my money back.
Luke 6:13When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles:

If we want truth we use the scripture, not catholic tradition.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#178 Jul 16, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Luke 6:13When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles:
If we want truth we use the scripture, not catholic tradition.
I just love it when you nail their tails to the wall with that thing they supposedly wrote- the Bible.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#179 Jul 16, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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He preached. No NT Bible Study. This was after Pentecost. The Church was in existence.
Oral Teaching. Tradition.
Jesus said go forth and preach and baptize, not write anything. Less than half of them did that we know of. We are glad they did and that the CC was led to declare their writings the inspired written word of God.
They searched the scriptures daily, yet you say it was by oral teaching and tradition?

Nuts, spam, clueless, wrong, incendiary, mean, rinse and repeat. LOL.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#180 Jul 16, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The rest of it comes from you own imaginations of what you think it should be.
And this comes from "Big T- little t" guy? The people that make up and change things,(not FAITH AND MORALS) all the time?

You know the line. Nuts, spam, clueless, wrong, incendiary, mean, rinse and repeat.

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#181 Jul 17, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Luke 6:13When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles:
If we want truth we use the scripture, not catholic tradition.
And I noticed your name was not on the list of twelve, in the group of seventy-two nor were you on the road to Damascus. If you want to be a Disciple you will have to join the Disciples of Christ LOL. And all the Apostles around here wear big hats and wheeze when they preach.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#182 Jul 17, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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They searched the scriptures daily, yet you say it was by oral teaching and tradition?
Nuts, spam, clueless, wrong, incendiary, mean, rinse and repeat. LOL.
Let me write this slowly for you. Paul preached with his mouth, orally like all the apostles did, explaining that Christ was the Messiah that was prophesied in the scriptures.

The Bereans listened and looked at the OT scriptures and said yes, we can see that. Paul was part of the Church trying to get converts. They were more noble than the Thessalonians.

The Thessalonians believed they knew the scriptures more than Paul. They believed in SS. They tried to arrest him.

They were like Protestants. They didn't want anybody to tell them what God had said. They were smarter.

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#183 Jul 17, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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They searched the scriptures daily, yet you say it was by oral teaching and tradition?
Nuts, spam, clueless, wrong, incendiary, mean, rinse and repeat. LOL.
How about giving me a list of those scriptures which the Berean Jews searched daily. You think they might start with Genesis and end with Malachi? And how was the Gospel spread after Paul and the rest of the first generation died? It was by oral teaching and tradition since no one could go to the Baptist bookstore and buy a Bible along with those little cups for the Welchs.

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