He that believes and is baptized will...
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#184 Jul 17, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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And this comes from "Big T- little t" guy? The people that make up and change things,(not FAITH AND MORALS) all the time?
You know the line. Nuts, spam, clueless, wrong, incendiary, mean, rinse and repeat.
"All the time" ????

Do you know how long 2000 years is? You have no sense of history and time.

You Protestants live in your own little world with a Catholic book trying to tell Jesus he screwed up starting the Catholic Church.

Don't you think at all sometimes how bizarre that is. You love Jesus but all of you think he screwed up.

You are going to correct what he messed up.

The Church he started he promised would not fail. He would protect until the end of all ages.

You think Jesus failed. You think you know more than Jesus.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#185 Jul 17, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Let me write this slowly for you. Paul preached with his mouth, orally like all the apostles did, explaining that Christ was the Messiah that was prophesied in the scriptures.
The Bereans listened and looked at the OT scriptures and said yes, we can see that. Paul was part of the Church trying to get converts. They were more noble than the Thessalonians.
The Thessalonians believed they knew the scriptures more than Paul. They believed in SS. They tried to arrest him.
They were like Protestants. They didn't want anybody to tell them what God had said. They were smarter.
The apostles were not necessarily any smarter than us but they had divine revelation from God and now every one of us has that revelation revealed to us, no need for a pope.

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#186 Jul 17, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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He preached. No NT Bible Study. This was after Pentecost. The Church was in existence.
Oral Teaching. Tradition.
Jesus said go forth and preach and baptize, not write anything. Less than half of them did that we know of. We are glad they did and that the CC was led to declare their writings the inspired written word of God.
With what you say here there should have been no reason for any writings to have ever happened. Why would God let these TRUTH filled apostles write and go against the Spirits instructions? Because that is how the gospel would be spread to all people through the written word not the church leaders that are fallible.

I notice your or Mark did not answer if the early churches that formed at Pentecost were perfect. You do claim the RCC church as infallible right?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#187 Jul 17, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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The apostles were not necessarily any smarter than us but they had divine revelation from God and now every one of us has that revelation revealed to us, no need for a pope.
So Jesus did not leave us a Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth.

He left Bobby, and the millions of other Protestants who has the revelation revealed to them with the Truth.

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#188 Jul 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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With what you say here there should have been no reason for any writings to have ever happened. Why would God let these TRUTH filled apostles write and go against the Spirits instructions? Because that is how the gospel would be spread to all people through the written word not the church leaders that are fallible.
I notice your or Mark did not answer if the early churches that formed at Pentecost were perfect. You do claim the RCC church as infallible right?
When the Roman Catholic Church by means of the College of Bishops Ecumenical Councils decides issues of faith and morals it is infallible. Otherwise there would be nearly 40,000 Catholic denominations just like there are nearly 40,000 protestant denominations, yours included. There was only ONE church formed at Pentecost not 40,000.

And what is today? July 17, 2013 Who decided that? The Roman Catholic Church. How about the date for Easter? The Roman Catholic Church. How about the date to celebrate Christ's birth? The Roman Catholic Church. How about the list of books in the New Testament? The Roman Catholic Church. You may choose to ignore the last three but doubt you will the first. Only one of these four was an infallible decision. But you certainly accept the first one as though it was!
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#189 Jul 17, 2013
Jesus left his word which he alone has preserved. In case you are unaware Jesus is alive and still working amongst his people.

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-- catholics think this is the pope.

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Scripture works every time!

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#190 Jul 17, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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When the Roman Catholic Church by means of the College of Bishops Ecumenical Councils decides issues of faith and morals it is infallible. Otherwise there would be nearly 40,000 Catholic denominations just like there are nearly 40,000 protestant denominations, yours included. There was only ONE church formed at Pentecost not 40,000.
And what is today? July 17, 2013 Who decided that? The Roman Catholic Church. How about the date for Easter? The Roman Catholic Church. How about the date to celebrate Christ's birth? The Roman Catholic Church. How about the list of books in the New Testament? The Roman Catholic Church. You may choose to ignore the last three but doubt you will the first. Only one of these four was an infallible decision. But you certainly accept the first one as though it was!
You still wont answer and I know why. Is the RCC perfect. Was it perfect in the first Century as the Church?

Lets Go Mark man up

Lets Go Catholics make a claim.

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#191 Jul 17, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Jesus left his word which he alone has preserved. In case you are unaware Jesus is alive and still working amongst his people.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-- catholics think this is the pope.
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Scripture works every time!
Scripture doesn't appear to be working for you.
johnny

Axton, VA

#192 Jul 17, 2013
you folks done beat this post to death when its
so simple if you read it plainly. Jesus said do what and get what. Believe and do what?
what about the faith only crowd? They wait weeks months to be baptized.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#193 Jul 17, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Jesus left his word which he alone has preserved. In case you are unaware Jesus is alive and still working amongst his people.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-- catholics think this is the pope.
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Scripture works every time!
Scripture works for every Protestant. That is the definition of SS. Interpret scripture to fit your belief.

And there is not 1 scripture verse to support Bobby's authority to interpret any scriptures.

The Church has that Authority

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#194 Jul 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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You still wont answer and I know why. Is the RCC perfect. Was it perfect in the first Century as the Church?
Lets Go Mark man up
Lets Go Catholics make a claim.
On the Day of Pentecost men were presented with a perfect Church. Men, being what they are, didn't take long to eff it up. The Roman Catholic Church is not perfect BUT it has the ability to make perfect, infallible decisions through Ecumenical Councils. The day to day goings on in the Church are not perfect but the assembling of the College of Bishops for an Ecumenical Council is not done unless a matter of faith and morals has arisen with implications for the entire world. This happens rarely now because it seems all the major foibles of the human condition have been addressed in past centuries by the Councils. There have been 21 Ecumenical Councils but only one in my lifetime. For me it is a matter of the buck having to stop somewhere. Where do 40,000 protestant denominations go for a final answer? They just make up another denomination! Suppose protestants had been in charge of developing the calendar. Quelle horreur!
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#195 Jul 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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You still wont answer and I know why. Is the RCC perfect. Was it perfect in the first Century as the Church?
Lets Go Mark man up
Lets Go Catholics make a claim.
Unlike the Protestant churches, the Catholic Church is not a system that men, after prayer and deliberation, devised as the best scheme they could think of for perpetuating the work of their Master, Jesus.

On the contrary, the Catholic Church is directly God's handiwork: in the New Testament, Jesus Himself instituted the Sacraments and established the Church, placing Peter at its head.

Since God Himself established our Church, we must believe that it is perfectly designed to lead souls to perfection; and that it does so when they abide by Her teachings and partake of the graces She affords them.
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#196 Jul 17, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Jesus left his word which he alone has preserved. In case you are unaware Jesus is alive and still working amongst his people.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-- catholics think this is the pope.
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Scripture works every time!
Just drop by to see what we are thinking. I am Catholic, I know that we are taught that the Pope is "perfect, the Vicar of Christ", but he is not jesus or God on earth. When the church was created, it was a Roman Leader who ran the meeting to create the catholic church that we know today. Up until then the original christians were Jews who believe in Jesus, and Roman Gentiles came to believe in Jesus. Laws were change so that the church was to separate from the jews, and bring in a new religion. One of the first laws that were made, if you are a jew who believe that Jesus, you are no longer a jew, but christian. This was to much for a lot of jews to accept. Jesus came to confirm the laws of Moses, the commandments and the prophets. And more importantly, Jesus was a JEW. Problem is that mankind still has not listen. Everything that goes on this world we do it to ourselves. It was not God's will or Jesus will for the world to hate, but we do. But the promise that the book provides is that one day we will live on this planet in peace with the universe. That is what the promise is. Remember what Jesus said, "for the elect sake, those days will be shorten, if it were not so, then no flesh will be found alive."

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#197 Jul 17, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Just drop by to see what we are thinking. I am Catholic, I know that we are taught that the Pope is "perfect, the Vicar of Christ", but he is not jesus or God on earth. When the church was created, it was a Roman Leader who ran the meeting to create the catholic church that we know today. Up until then the original christians were Jews who believe in Jesus, and Roman Gentiles came to believe in Jesus. Laws were change so that the church was to separate from the jews, and bring in a new religion. One of the first laws that were made, if you are a jew who believe that Jesus, you are no longer a jew, but christian. This was to much for a lot of jews to accept. Jesus came to confirm the laws of Moses, the commandments and the prophets. And more importantly, Jesus was a JEW. Problem is that mankind still has not listen. Everything that goes on this world we do it to ourselves. It was not God's will or Jesus will for the world to hate, but we do. But the promise that the book provides is that one day we will live on this planet in peace with the universe. That is what the promise is. Remember what Jesus said, "for the elect sake, those days will be shorten, if it were not so, then no flesh will be found alive."
Who taught you the Pope is "perfect?" I think you just made that up.
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#198 Jul 17, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Who taught you the Pope is "perfect?" I think you just made that up.
The word is infoulible.( forgot how to spell it.) It mean can't do no wrong.

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#199 Jul 17, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> The word is infoulible.( forgot how to spell it.) It mean can't do no wrong.
Then not only can't you spell but you are dead wrong about the Pope being infallible and "can't do no wrong." Time for you to go back to Catechism class! For starters, how many times in history has the Pope declared a dogma to be infallible? What does ex cathedra mean? Why does the Pope go to confession if you say he can do no wrong?
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#200 Jul 17, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Then not only can't you spell but you are dead wrong about the Pope being infallible and "can't do no wrong." Time for you to go back to Catechism class! For starters, how many times in history has the Pope declared a dogma to be infallible? What does ex cathedra mean? Why does the Pope go to confession if you say he can do no wrong?
They just declared the pope to be a saint in heaven. the book says that nobody goes to heaven. But we all go to hell. By the way hell is the english word translated from the greek language meaning grave.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#201 Jul 17, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Just drop by to see what we are thinking. I am Catholic, I know that we are taught that the Pope is "perfect, the Vicar of Christ", but he is not jesus or God on earth. When the church was created, it was a Roman Leader who ran the meeting to create the catholic church that we know today. Up until then the original christians were Jews who believe in Jesus, and Roman Gentiles came to believe in Jesus. Laws were change so that the church was to separate from the jews, and bring in a new religion. One of the first laws that were made, if you are a jew who believe that Jesus, you are no longer a jew, but christian. This was to much for a lot of jews to accept. Jesus came to confirm the laws of Moses, the commandments and the prophets. And more importantly, Jesus was a JEW. Problem is that mankind still has not listen. Everything that goes on this world we do it to ourselves. It was not God's will or Jesus will for the world to hate, but we do. But the promise that the book provides is that one day we will live on this planet in peace with the universe. That is what the promise is. Remember what Jesus said, "for the elect sake, those days will be shorten, if it were not so, then no flesh will be found alive."
You are not a Catholic. IF you are you need to start over. You think Constantine started Catholicism. We were on our 29th Pope when Constantine legalized Catholicism.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#202 Jul 17, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Then not only can't you spell but you are dead wrong about the Pope being infallible and "can't do no wrong." Time for you to go back to Catechism class! For starters, how many times in history has the Pope declared a dogma to be infallible? What does ex cathedra mean? Why does the Pope go to confession if you say he can do no wrong?
Good greif Mark, I thought all you catholics were in complete agreement, thanks for proving me right. It's your turn to give me a cussing-as usual.

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#203 Jul 17, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You are not a Catholic. IF you are you need to start over. You think Constantine started Catholicism. We were on our 29th Pope when Constantine legalized Catholicism.
Yeah, I figured he was a low end prot like Bobby but I didn't want to be rude.

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