Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#42 Apr 17, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
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Actually in Galatians 2 there were people trying to add conditions to the New Covenant that did not belong, circumcision for one. God made it easy by using the ONE baptism for the more difficult circumcision thus the Gentiles could easily enter into the Yoke that Jesus spoke of as being easy. Unfortunately the Jewish believers thought that the old covenant was still to be followed. This struggle with those who wanted elements of the old law was to plague Paul as long as he lived and would finally get him arrested.
In the sense that some Jews were binding the old covenant matters upon the Gentiles, or trying to please God through the obedience to the letter and not of faith and love for God, I can agree in concept. Those today who think they are saved by the right number of 'acts of worship' are also perilously close to following after a similar pattern.

There is a lot of talk of grace, as though the gospel is grace. The problem with this is that GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ. We cannot be faithful if we make a division between the grace from/of Jesus Christ and the truth from/of Jesus Christ. Yet many hope to make that division, and it is one that will damn them to hell - as those who 'work Torahlessness'(Torah being the 'Law' that Jesus spoke of.

The Law was to be followed in Israel by the Jew and Gentile and even the slaves and animals - no one was exempted. So we are not citing the Aaronic Priesthood rituals or Temple rites of the first covenant, but that which fulfilled the ritual elements of the first in the true/fulfilled that was foreshadowed by the elemental first giving that prepared us for the Christ...Jew and Gentile.

Did Jesus say the words He spoke were truth, light, life and spirit? Did Jesus call all men to Him? Did Jesus teach we are to be His disciples? And did He teach that we are to be hearers and doers of whatever He taught? He gave parables to teach lessons, and the primary one dealing with 'once saved, always saved' is the parable of the wheat and the ground it fell upon. Some received the word and soon failed to live because they were not able to accept His word, or had no root in themselves to have that word live/replicate in their own lives. They died.

Some allowed the enemy to steal the word away from them before it could ever take root.

It's a passage worth exploring, for it's what He said on the subject of eternal security as it relates to faith, the words of God, and how the word of God will accomplish what He sent it for.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#43 Apr 17, 2013
Barnsweb, the above post is very good. Totally agree, parable of the soils is a great place to look at for this subject. WIL also made a point earlier that I totally agree with. He said that as Christians, we aren't to fear the Holy fly swatter-good one by the way-after an act of disobedience. Are we going to be lost if we commit a sin and then die before we get to repent of it? I don't believe so. I believe that we are lost when we willingly decide to stop following Christ, willingly decide to do our own thing and not obey Him anymore. There is room for grace and mercy with God. Besides, as WIL pointed out, if God was going to use the giant and holy fly swatter, He would have done so a long time ago on me ;)

By the way, I feel WIL's pain. I also raised up swearing like a sailor. Some things do die hard.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#44 Apr 17, 2013
Barnsweb:In the sense that some Jews were binding the old covenant matters upon the Gentiles, or trying to please God through the obedience to the letter and not of faith and love for God, I can agree in concept. Those today who think they are saved by the right number of 'acts of worship' are also perilously close to following after a similar pattern.

Bobby:Totally agree but this does not seem to match the rest of your theology.

Barnsweb:There is a lot of talk of grace, as though the gospel is grace. The problem with this is that GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ. We cannot be faithful if we make a division between the grace from/of Jesus Christ and the truth from/of Jesus Christ.

Bobby: there is no problem, the gospel is grace and it is the truth. Jesus actually did pay our sin debt.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. No salvation can be found through the law. The law condemns us, Jesus redeems us by his grace which equals the cross.

I am convinced that some of you guys are selling grace way to short!

Is grace amazing? Yes it is! But it helps to understand what grace actually is...


Since: May 10

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#45 Apr 17, 2013
William wrote:
So I've noticed
I got my copy from Amazon.com for about $24.
Now if I recall that is not the most accurate correct?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#46 Apr 17, 2013
Grace is not "law" all dressed up in white linen.

Grace brings peace and hope law brings condemnation.

The work of the law is to lead us to Christ by revealing the wickedness within us.
nobody

Morehead, KY

#47 Apr 17, 2013
Dave P wrote:
By the way, I feel WIL's pain. I also raised up swearing like a sailor. Some things do die hard.
For some reason I thought your dad was a preacher. Mistaken,I guess. Who had the dad preacher?
King James

Morehead, KY

#48 Apr 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Now if I recall that is not the most accurate correct?
What? Not the most accurate? Have you lost your head?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#49 Apr 17, 2013
Nobody, my dad is a preacher now. He wasn't when I was a kid. I was grown before he got into the church. He cussed like a sailor and could drink beer with the best of them. We weren't especially close for a long time, he worked away on the railroad. After we both found the Lord, we have both been changed so much, and our relationship is better now than it ever has been. God does miraculous work in people.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#50 Apr 17, 2013
Anyone who has spent any time looking at the Greek language behind the translations can clearly see why the term it's all Greek to me was coined LOL!

http://classic.net.bible.org/bible.php

Go spend some time in that site and read the meanings behind the greek, many have so many different meanings that it will amaze you that they even got close to the original meaning. Like taking a 12 sided star and placing it in a square, some things are lost in the translation.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#51 Apr 17, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Nobody, my dad is a preacher now. He wasn't when I was a kid. I was grown before he got into the church. He cussed like a sailor and could drink beer with the best of them. We weren't especially close for a long time, he worked away on the railroad. After we both found the Lord, we have both been changed so much, and our relationship is better now than it ever has been. God does miraculous work in people.
You are blessed, I saw my father twice, once when I was twelve, I was so angry that he left that I didn't want anything to do with him, he never visited again. The second was looking into his coffin at the funeral home, before that reality my reaction to his death was so what, why do I care about him. After that reality was face to face with me, I realized that our chances to repair were all lost, that my anger was not worth the loss of the relationship. I would trade 10 years of my life to go back knowing what I know today and relive that day when I was 12 and instead of acting like the unmerciful servant in Matthew 18, I would show the mercy and forgiveness that God modeled for me though his son's death on the Cross.

It is why I ask Johnny from time to time if he has reconciled with his father. Because no offense is worth the loss of a relationship short of danger to yourself.

To add to it he died almost instantly and was not following God at all at that time. Thus he not only is lost to me in his world but is most likely lost forever.

But this is one of the stripes I carry on my back, I use it to urge others to heal their relationships with parents, because the reality of the grave will come to all, and time is running out.

By his stripes we were healed and by our stripes we can bring healing at some level to others. Thus a weakness that Satan had a party with is now a weapon against him, praise God!

You are a blessed man! Remember and be thankful!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#52 Apr 17, 2013
King James wrote:
<quoted text>What? Not the most accurate? Have you lost your head?
Your confused that Was King Henry that bopped off heads.
King James

Morehead, KY

#53 Apr 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
Your confused that Was King Henry that bopped off heads.
Are you doubting my power peasant?
nobody

Morehead, KY

#54 Apr 17, 2013
I believe there is one gospel for Jews and Gentile alike, as there is one Lord. We are clothed by his righteousness when we believe Jesus is the Son of God and His blood is applied to us at the point of belief(spirit baptism). We are clothed with his blood(or His righteousness)that makes us righteous. The reason it is impossible to renew again is you have already believed and walked away. How can you believe again something you already believe. If this was done by water baptism, it is possible to do again and is today. Your clothes(righteousness) are as filthy rags if they are done by man and water. However if that is your belief more power to you. I would suggest getting a complete wardrobe by several baptisms if that be the case, perhaps twelve baptisms would be a good number. Check with your local CoC they may be offering a bakers dozen this week.

The CoC will tell you that it was for the apostles and a few other grey areas if you press them and not for today. Only Jesus can seal you with the Spirit. Believe it or not Jesus is still in charge. John preached to many besides the apostles as you can see in the other accounts, that one was to come who would baptize in the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist did not preach there would be one to come greater than he that would baptize with the Holy Ghost only to a select few. The bible no where teaches that. That is doctrine justification (false teaching) on the part of some churches. If I am wrong, I hope they would be so kind to show where John said the baptism of Jesus was for a select few.

Mat 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Check all the gospel of accounts, John the Baptist preached this everywhere.
nobody

Morehead, KY

#55 Apr 17, 2013
The demons believe Jesus is the Son of God but by our understanding are doomed. Perhaps there is no renewing them because they have turned from God after believing and knowing that He was God. Just speculation.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#56 Apr 17, 2013
King James wrote:
<quoted text>Are you doubting my power peasant?
yes
King James

Morehead, KY

#57 Apr 17, 2013
Have a good day peons. It is great to be king. Think I will go out today and watch my peasants work. I could use the exercise.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#58 Apr 17, 2013
nobody wrote:
I believe there is one gospel for Jews and Gentile alike, as there is one Lord. We are clothed by his righteousness when we believe Jesus is the Son of God and His blood is applied to us at the point of belief(spirit baptism). We are clothed with his blood(or His righteousness)that makes us righteous. The reason it is impossible to renew again is you have already believed and walked away. How can you believe again something you already believe. If this was done by water baptism, it is possible to do again and is today. Your clothes(righteousness) are as filthy rags if they are done by man and water. However if that is your belief more power to you. I would suggest getting a complete wardrobe by several baptisms if that be the case, perhaps twelve baptisms would be a good number. Check with your local CoC they may be offering a bakers dozen this week.
The CoC will tell you that it was for the apostles and a few other grey areas if you press them and not for today. Only Jesus can seal you with the Spirit. Believe it or not Jesus is still in charge. John preached to many besides the apostles as you can see in the other accounts, that one was to come who would baptize in the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist did not preach there would be one to come greater than he that would baptize with the Holy Ghost only to a select few. The bible no where teaches that. That is doctrine justification (false teaching) on the part of some churches. If I am wrong, I hope they would be so kind to show where John said the baptism of Jesus was for a select few.
Mat 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Check all the gospel of accounts, John the Baptist preached this everywhere.
Either the Holy Ghost baptism had a fire with it or that is not what he was talking about there. Clarify what he meant in that test in your mind.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#59 Apr 17, 2013
King James wrote:
Have a good day peons. It is great to be king. Think I will go out today and watch my peasants work. I could use the exercise.
Does your wife/mom know you talk about them like this on the web? ;)
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#60 Apr 17, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>
You are blessed, I saw my father twice, once when I was twelve, I was so angry that he left that I didn't want anything to do with him, he never visited again. The second was looking into his coffin at the funeral home, before that reality my reaction to his death was so what, why do I care about him. After that reality was face to face with me, I realized that our chances to repair were all lost, that my anger was not worth the loss of the relationship. I would trade 10 years of my life to go back knowing what I know today and relive that day when I was 12 and instead of acting like the unmerciful servant in Matthew 18, I would show the mercy and forgiveness that God modeled for me though his son's death on the Cross.
It is why I ask Johnny from time to time if he has reconciled with his father. Because no offense is worth the loss of a relationship short of danger to yourself.
To add to it he died almost instantly and was not following God at all at that time. Thus he not only is lost to me in his world but is most likely lost forever.
But this is one of the stripes I carry on my back, I use it to urge others to heal their relationships with parents, because the reality of the grave will come to all, and time is running out.
By his stripes we were healed and by our stripes we can bring healing at some level to others. Thus a weakness that Satan had a party with is now a weapon against him, praise God!
You are a blessed man! Remember and be thankful!!
Great message, I think all of us experience relationship issues, both good and bad. Sometimes in life we are to ones creating the problem.

It reminds me of our relationship with our maker. If there is a problem, the problem is with us.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#61 Apr 17, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>
You are blessed, I saw my father twice, once when I was twelve, I was so angry that he left that I didn't want anything to do with him, he never visited again. The second was looking into his coffin at the funeral home, before that reality my reaction to his death was so what, why do I care about him. After that reality was face to face with me, I realized that our chances to repair were all lost, that my anger was not worth the loss of the relationship. I would trade 10 years of my life to go back knowing what I know today and relive that day when I was 12 and instead of acting like the unmerciful servant in Matthew 18, I would show the mercy and forgiveness that God modeled for me though his son's death on the Cross.
It is why I ask Johnny from time to time if he has reconciled with his father. Because no offense is worth the loss of a relationship short of danger to yourself.
To add to it he died almost instantly and was not following God at all at that time. Thus he not only is lost to me in his world but is most likely lost forever.
But this is one of the stripes I carry on my back, I use it to urge others to heal their relationships with parents, because the reality of the grave will come to all, and time is running out.
By his stripes we were healed and by our stripes we can bring healing at some level to others. Thus a weakness that Satan had a party with is now a weapon against him, praise God!
You are a blessed man! Remember and be thankful!!
My dad was the preacher since I was about 4, but a more imbalanced man between the message he preached and the way he treated his family may never be known. Hardly ever at home, quite the liar when it came to being confronted with treatment of his family, always at the office studying and beating everyone at home to make sure he got the right one - damned if you did and damned if you didn't. Whipped me once with the buckle end of the belt from neck to foot for 'making him 45 minutes late to the preachers meeting.'

I tried to talk to him some years ago on my treatment, as well of my siblings and mother - his reply was no acknowlegement at all, but a simple 'No one has a perfect father.' Not a single hint of accepting his sins or hurt to others - not a single twinge of guilt or remorse.

So as I see him today, failing in mind and body - but still preaching to others - it's just sort of empty to feel any anger - pity is more the word that comes to mind.

What is so disapointing to me is to realize how dishonest he really is and has been all his life - but he belongs to the 'correct Church'.

God help his soul. He's delusional to this very day.

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