God, the creator of evil

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Judas

Martinsville, VA

#1 Mar 29, 2012
God, the creator of Evil

You Christians say,“God is the Alpha and the Omega”. This obviously means the beginning and the end, the all-knowing. This implies that all of Gods actions and the results are fore known to him. I have a real problem with this notion. For if God was to know ahead of time that someday he would send me to hell, I ask what was the purpose in him creating me in the first place?

Secondly, I want to reinforce the fact that God is indeed the creator of evil. Note what is stated in Isaiah 45:7.“I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the lord do all these things”. The Christian God outright claims that he is indeed the source of evil. So how can he then claim to be sinless?

Let’s talk about the conception of Satan. This being was created and unleashed by God. Very smart move for God, don’t you think? Your God knew (for he is the all-knowing) that at the time of Satan’s creation he would spend his existence wreaking havoc on mankind, leading people into criminal activities and other sins. Suppose I were to build an evil robot, that I knew would go around torturing and murdering people. Whose fault would it be if I let it loose? Mine or the robot’s? Of course it would be mine, for I created it with that purpose and unleashed it for that purpose. Now I ask you, whose fault is deviltry in the world? Is it the PUPPET Satan or the being that deliberately created Satan, knowing full well he would turn man to sinning.

If evil never existed, where did it rise from? How could Satan become something he was not created to be? God knew Satan would ruin creation, yet, allowed him to take us poor sinners on this road that leadeth to hell. Why would God create a sinful rebellious being that would one day take most of his creation to hell. Furthermore, God knew in advance this would occur and still allowed Satan to “deceive the world.”
walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#2 Mar 29, 2012
Sorry this is all false simply because you and I and all of the Angels were given free will. If I give you the ability to select two paths and you decide to walk down the path leading to destruction it isn't my fault that you decided to destroy it is your fault just as it is Satan's fault for deciding he could be God.

God will prove himself right in the end and all will bow before him and all will admit he is right.
Judas

Martinsville, VA

#3 Mar 29, 2012
walkinginlove wrote:
Sorry this is all false simply because you and I and all of the Angels were given free will. If I give you the ability to select two paths and you decide to walk down the path leading to destruction it isn't my fault that you decided to destroy it is your fault just as it is Satan's fault for deciding he could be God.
God will prove himself right in the end and all will bow before him and all will admit he is right.
“Free Will”, You Say? So, I was given free will with which to choose if I will go to hell or not. How can you possibly deem something free when you must fear consequences? That completely conflicts with the definition of free. If I were to hold a gun to your head and say “you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill you.” Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter? Of course not. Free means to give or receive something without an expectation of return. The whole free will concept is self-defeating. Call it Circumstantial Will, for that is what it truly is.
Judas

Martinsville, VA

#4 Mar 29, 2012
walkinginlove wrote:
Sorry this is all false simply because you and I and all of the Angels were given free will. If I give you the ability to select two paths and you decide to walk down the path leading to destruction it isn't my fault that you decided to destroy it is your fault just as it is Satan's fault for deciding he could be God.
God will prove himself right in the end and all will bow before him and all will admit he is right.
Free will, free will…HOGWASH! Are you going to tell me that your God didn’t know ahead of time that Satan would lead many to destruction? If so, he stood quietly idle and permitted evil to raise its ugly head. The same is true with sinners. If God is all-knowing, didn’t he know ahead of time that his creation would rebel? If so, he stood quietly idle and permitted evil to raise its ugly head. The same argument could be used to justify the sending of Aryan opponents of Nazism to concentration camps: they voluntarily chose not to give homage to Hitler, so they chose to be interred. Why should we blame the Nazis for the inmates’ choice? Why should we blame God for the choice of the damned? This free will is nothing but a cop out. Let me ask you this. When you get to heaven, will you still have free will or will God take your free will away. If you have free will, what prevents some from exercising this again and choosing evil. If you say God will take free will way in heaven then I ask why didn’t he do so from the start. If God can somehow keep people in heaven while they still possess free will, then what didn’t he do this from the start.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#5 Mar 29, 2012
"slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful"

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Rom 1:28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Judas

Martinsville, VA

#6 Mar 29, 2012
Bobby wrote:
"slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful"
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Rom 1:28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Bait and switch. Sorry Charlie but that bird don’t fly. You didn’t even touch my comment at all so I will not yours either. This is the problem with you Christians. You cannot defend what you believe. God allowed sin and you cannot escape this. God knew full well that Satan would cause the fall of man ultimately causing millions of killings and other sins yet your God permitted this to occur. If your FREE WILL determines your outcome, then your salvation rest on your FREE WILL not God. But wait, if you have free will now, will you in heaven. If so, what keeps you from falling? Think carefully now. If you say God will keep your free will and prevent you from becoming the next Satan then why didn’t he do so to start with. No matter how you cut this pie, it still is full of crap.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#7 Mar 29, 2012
Judas wrote:
<quoted text>
Bait and switch. Sorry Charlie but that bird don’t fly. You didn’t even touch my comment at all so I will not yours either. This is the problem with you Christians. You cannot defend what you believe. God allowed sin and you cannot escape this. God knew full well that Satan would cause the fall of man ultimately causing millions of killings and other sins yet your God permitted this to occur. If your FREE WILL determines your outcome, then your salvation rest on your FREE WILL not God. But wait, if you have free will now, will you in heaven. If so, what keeps you from falling? Think carefully now. If you say God will keep your free will and prevent you from becoming the next Satan then why didn’t he do so to start with. No matter how you cut this pie, it still is full of crap.
The scripture has identified you, take your hate of God and his people somewhere else...
Barnsweb

Copperopolis, CA

#8 Mar 29, 2012
Judas wrote:
God, the creator of Evil
You Christians say,“God is the Alpha and the Omega”. This obviously means the beginning and the end, the all-knowing. This implies that all of Gods actions and the results are fore known to him. I have a real problem with this notion. For if God was to know ahead of time that someday he would send me to hell, I ask what was the purpose in him creating me in the first place?
Secondly, I want to reinforce the fact that God is indeed the creator of evil. Note what is stated in Isaiah 45:7.“I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the lord do all these things”. The Christian God outright claims that he is indeed the source of evil. So how can he then claim to be sinless?
Let’s talk about the conception of Satan. This being was created and unleashed by God. Very smart move for God, don’t you think? Your God knew (for he is the all-knowing) that at the time of Satan’s creation he would spend his existence wreaking havoc on mankind, leading people into criminal activities and other sins. Suppose I were to build an evil robot, that I knew would go around torturing and murdering people. Whose fault would it be if I let it loose? Mine or the robot’s? Of course it would be mine, for I created it with that purpose and unleashed it for that purpose. Now I ask you, whose fault is deviltry in the world? Is it the PUPPET Satan or the being that deliberately created Satan, knowing full well he would turn man to sinning.
If evil never existed, where did it rise from? How could Satan become something he was not created to be? God knew Satan would ruin creation, yet, allowed him to take us poor sinners on this road that leadeth to hell. Why would God create a sinful rebellious being that would one day take most of his creation to hell. Furthermore, God knew in advance this would occur and still allowed Satan to “deceive the world.”
The fact is that God is good. That He has told us what is good, is that a sin? The fact that there is right and wrong, does that say that right and good creates evil? or that there is a contrast between good and evil? Of course that good and evil are not the same thing. Good is not evil, nor evil good.

To reject the good in favor of evil, or that which actually leads to evil that can easily be distinguished as evil - this is knowable and discernable. That there is Good does not of necessity create evil, but exposes evil for what it really is - and evil is not good. Does light beget darkness? No. Does darkness beget light? No. Does light expose things for what they are? Yes. Does darkness expose things for what they are? No.

The only way to know what is truth is to seek the light, the words that lead to life eternal, as given through the Son - Master YHWH.
(that's who John the Baptist said Jesus is)
Bfrank

Martinsville, VA

#9 Mar 30, 2012
The Bible describes God as holy (Isaiah 6:3), righteous (Psalm 7:11), just (Deuteronomy 32:4), and sovereign (Daniel 4:17-25). These attributes tell us the following about God:(1) God is capable of preventing evil, and (2) God desires to rid the universe of evil. So, if both of these are true, why does God allow evil?

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-allow-evil.ht...
MrT

Saltville, VA

#10 Mar 30, 2012
Judas wrote:
God, the creator of Evil
You Christians say,“God is the Alpha and the Omega”. This obviously means the beginning and the end, the all-knowing. This implies that all of Gods actions and the results are fore known to him. I have a real problem with this notion. For if God was to know ahead of time that someday he would send me to hell, I ask what was the purpose in him creating me in the first place?
Secondly, I want to reinforce the fact that God is indeed the creator of evil. Note what is stated in Isaiah 45:7.“I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the lord do all these things”. The Christian God outright claims that he is indeed the source of evil. So how can he then claim to be sinless?
Let’s talk about the conception of Satan. This being was created and unleashed by God. Very smart move for God, don’t you think? Your God knew (for he is the all-knowing) that at the time of Satan’s creation he would spend his existence wreaking havoc on mankind, leading people into criminal activities and other sins. Suppose I were to build an evil robot, that I knew would go around torturing and murdering people. Whose fault would it be if I let it loose? Mine or the robot’s? Of course it would be mine, for I created it with that purpose and unleashed it for that purpose. Now I ask you, whose fault is deviltry in the world? Is it the PUPPET Satan or the being that deliberately created Satan, knowing full well he would turn man to sinning.
If evil never existed, where did it rise from? How could Satan become something he was not created to be? God knew Satan would ruin creation, yet, allowed him to take us poor sinners on this road that leadeth to hell. Why would God create a sinful rebellious being that would one day take most of his creation to hell. Furthermore, God knew in advance this would occur and still allowed Satan to “deceive the world.”
So with all this "you Christians" and "your God" stuff, why do you care about any of it? Troll much?
walkinginlove

Forest, VA

#11 Mar 30, 2012
Judas wrote:
<quoted text>
Bait and switch. Sorry Charlie but that bird don’t fly. You didn’t even touch my comment at all so I will not yours either. This is the problem with you Christians. You cannot defend what you believe. God allowed sin and you cannot escape this. God knew full well that Satan would cause the fall of man ultimately causing millions of killings and other sins yet your God permitted this to occur. If your FREE WILL determines your outcome, then your salvation rest on your FREE WILL not God. But wait, if you have free will now, will you in heaven. If so, what keeps you from falling? Think carefully now. If you say God will keep your free will and prevent you from becoming the next Satan then why didn’t he do so to start with. No matter how you cut this pie, it still is full of crap.
God's death on the cross built the bridge of redemption, if the aircraft carries you across the ocean to England and you refuse to get off the plane do you hold the airline at fault for not taking you to England? Or do you claim that you flew to England yourself since this is your logic you are attempting to imply with free will.

Based on your system of blame, if I go and borrow your car to run to the store and suddenly in a fit of road rage I run over 20 people then you are responsible for the deaths and should go to jail for life or be killed.

We each have a choice everyday to do right or wrong, if we do right then we are doing as God would have us do, if we do wrong we are stating to God that we are better at being God then he is.

But I understand you are tainted under man's system of "It's not my fault, it's my environment, my parents, my faulty manufacture that makes me do this.

Faulty Logic, you have a choice you will be responsible for your choices.
Karol

Kraków, Poland

#12 Mar 30, 2012
Judas wrote:
God, the creator of Evil
You Christians say,“God is the Alpha and the Omega”. This obviously means the beginning and the end, the all-knowing. This implies that all of Gods actions and the results are fore known to him. I have a real problem with this notion. For if God was to know ahead of time that someday he would send me to hell, I ask what was the purpose in him creating me in the first place?
Secondly, I want to reinforce the fact that God is indeed the creator of evil. Note what is stated in Isaiah 45:7.“I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the lord do all these things”. The Christian God outright claims that he is indeed the source of evil. So how can he then claim to be sinless?
Let’s talk about the conception of Satan. This being was created and unleashed by God. Very smart move for God, don’t you think? Your God knew (for he is the all-knowing) that at the time of Satan’s creation he would spend his existence wreaking havoc on mankind, leading people into criminal activities and other sins. Suppose I were to build an evil robot, that I knew would go around torturing and murdering people. Whose fault would it be if I let it loose? Mine or the robot’s? Of course it would be mine, for I created it with that purpose and unleashed it for that purpose. Now I ask you, whose fault is deviltry in the world? Is it the PUPPET Satan or the being that deliberately created Satan, knowing full well he would turn man to sinning.
If evil never existed, where did it rise from? How could Satan become something he was not created to be? God knew Satan would ruin creation, yet, allowed him to take us poor sinners on this road that leadeth to hell. Why would God create a sinful rebellious being that would one day take most of his creation to hell. Furthermore, God knew in advance this would occur and still allowed Satan to “deceive the world.”
I think that it is not like you write. God, who is the source of all good has created all creatures in equality and gave free willto them. Satan is a child of God too and he was created like good creature too, but he has rejected the whole good and found and choose evil, because he wanted to be wiser than God. Don't you think that people have the same problem, they reject good and choose eveil and nobody knows why.
Judas

Martinsville, VA

#13 Apr 2, 2012
Karol wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that it is not like you write. God, who is the source of all good has created all creatures in equality and gave free willto them. Satan is a child of God too and he was created like good creature too, but he has rejected the whole good and found and choose evil, because he wanted to be wiser than God. Don't you think that people have the same problem, they reject good and choose eveil and nobody knows why.
What happens when you go to heaven? Does this FREE WILL abide in you? If so, you could still fall away. Not unless you believe in once saved always saved. Anyway you cut this pie it still taste lile crap.

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