Dave P

Lexington, KY

#21 Jun 1, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The early Christians writing about this,taught by people who were taught by the Apostles.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church echoes the words of all the Fathers that I have quoted below. It is the Catholic Church that is the heir and successor of those first Christians. The Catechism of the Catholic Church continually teaches the words from the earliest centuries,“Mary, in whom the Lord himself has just made his dwelling, is the daughter of Zion in person, the Ark of the covenant, the place where the glory of the Lord dwells. She is “the dwelling of God ... with men.”(CCC 2676
St. Ambrose (c. 339-397)
“The prophet David danced before the Ark. Now what else should we say the Ark was but holy Mary? The Ark bore within it the tables of the Testament, but Mary bore the Heir of the same Testament itself. The former contained in it the Law, the latter the Gospel. The one had the voice of God, the other His Word. The Ark, indeed, was radiant within and without with the glitter of gold, but holy Mary shone within and without with the splendor of virginity. The one was adorned with earthly gold, the other with heavenly”(Serm. xlii. 6, Int. Opp., S. Ambrosii)(Blessed Virgin, p. 77).
St. Cyril (315-387?)
“The Ark would be the type and image of Christ : for if we look back to the way of the Incarnation of the Only-begotten, we shall see that it is in the temple of the Virgin, as in an ark that the Word of God took up His abode. For in Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, as the Scripture saith. But the testimonies in the ark were the word of God, and the wood of it was imperishable, and with pure and choicest gold was it beautified within and without”(St. Cyril, De ador. In Spir. Et Verit, p. 293, St. Maximus of Turin and other Fathers apply the Ark of the Covenant to the Blessed Virgin Mary)(Blessed Virgin, p. 76).
Hesychius (lived c. 300)
“The ark is without doubt the Virgin Mother of God. For if Thou art the gem, with reason is she the ark; and because Thou art the sun, the Virgin will necessarily be called heaven: since Thou art the unfading flower, the Virgin must assuredly be the plant of incorruption and paradise of immortality. Which things Isaias, seeing from afar, exclaimed later on: Behold a Virgin shall conceive in her womb, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel. Behold a Virgin. Who is she? The most noble of women, the elect from among virgins, the splendid ornament of our nature, the glory of our mould, who freed Eve from her shame and Adam from the curse, who cut off the bold insolence of the dragon, she whom the smoke of concupiscence touched not, nor the worm of pleasure harmed”(Is.vii. 14).(Hesychius, Orat. De Virginis laudib. Biblioth. PP. Græco-Lat. Tom. ii. p. 423)(Blessed Virgin, p. 89).
All that focus on Mary, but forget his "earthly dad", and forget Who it is that Mary was carrying-that's the main point. William summed up things very well.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#22 Jun 1, 2013
We are told that Jesus Christ is the reality, the fulfillment of the shadows and types. Not Mary. The ark points to Him and His presence, the mercy seat, etc. Mary isn't the focal point of the ark of the covenant.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#23 Jun 1, 2013
William wrote:
The woman "clothed in the sun" of Revelation is Israel, Mike. Her offspring are the 12 tribes of Israel.
Mary was the earthly mother of my savior. That's it. She is not my "co-redemptrix" or anything else.
nfa

Is that an infallible interpretation?

That's all she is? That is sad. She is not blessed like the Bible says.

Are you rejecting what Jesus said on the Cross? "Behold your Mother"
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#24 Jun 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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All that focus on Mary, but forget his "earthly dad", and forget Who it is that Mary was carrying-that's the main point. William summed up things very well.
Yea boy we forget about Jesus. We eat his body and drink his blood as he commanded us to, so we can life in us.

What a a ignorant statement.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#25 Jun 1, 2013
William wrote:
And Alabama (coached by a Catholic guy) just clown-raped Notre Dame recently.
So much for Jesus loving his football team. Do I need to ask Mary how come they can't tackle?
LSU made the good Catholic coach you have what he is today.
William

Birmingham, AL

#26 Jun 1, 2013
"LSU made the good Catholic coach you have what he is today."

You've got it backwards. Saban rescued LSU only to see that goofy clown Les Miles run it back into the ground.

Losing to the likes of Clemson in a bowl game? Please.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#27 Jun 1, 2013
William wrote:
Dave, do you think that Manti Te'os girlfriend was ... Mary?
Thought her name was Lelani or something like that. What's Mary in Polynesian? I guess she could be whoever since she was imaginary anyway.

Poor guy. Imagine the ribbing he's in for in the NFL. He'd have been better off getting caught with a real woman that being suckered by imaginary ones.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#29 Jun 1, 2013
William wrote:
"LSU made the good Catholic coach you have what he is today."
You've got it backwards. Saban rescued LSU only to see that goofy clown Les Miles run it back into the ground.
Losing to the likes of Clemson in a bowl game? Please.
Clemson in a bowl game? How about losing to Kentucky when you're number 1 in the country? That's disgraceful. But even Kentucky beat Clemson in a bowl game a few years back too. Talk about another underachiever.

Les Miles should go to the NFL. That's the only place I think I've seen worse playcalling and time management.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#30 Jun 1, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Yea boy we forget about Jesus. We eat his body and drink his blood as he commanded us to, so we can life in us.
What a a ignorant statement.
Dodgeball. Dealing with the Mary worship there Mike not the Lord's supper. All the focus there was on Mary-not on the One she bore. And that's where the focus should always be.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#31 Jun 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Dodgeball. Dealing with the Mary worship there Mike not the Lord's supper. All the focus there was on Mary-not on the One she bore. And that's where the focus should always be.
We were taking about Blessed Mary. The Bible tells you to call her that doesnt it?

That is what we were talking about at the time, yes. And then you make a stupid statement that I ignore Jesus.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#32 Jun 1, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>nfa
Is that an infallible interpretation?
That's all she is? That is sad. She is not blessed like the Bible says.
Are you rejecting what Jesus said on the Cross? "Behold your Mother"
25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her,“Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple,“Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
William

Eastaboga, AL

#33 Jun 1, 2013
Mary was indeed blessed.

Was.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#34 Jun 1, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her,“Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple,“Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
Exactly
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#35 Jun 1, 2013
William wrote:
Mary was indeed blessed.
Was.
All generations will call me blessed.
William

Eastaboga, AL

#36 Jun 1, 2013
We just did.

She is called blessed for what she did. Past tense. She isn't sitting next to God and Christ interceding for anyone.

She's dead, Jim.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#37 Jun 1, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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We were taking about Blessed Mary. The Bible tells you to call her that doesnt it?
That is what we were talking about at the time, yes. And then you make a stupid statement that I ignore Jesus.
The whole thing with Mary is that Jesus seems to be forgotten about as the reason Mary was blessed in the first place. There was a whole lot of spin about how Mary is the ark of the covenant, and other mumbo jumbo from old dudes. That was what brought on the "Jesus being ignored" statement.

Stupid? Really I don't believe so. Catholic doctrine all but ignores Jesus for the opinion of guys who came after Him, who changed much of what the Master taught and stood for, and decided a once for all sacrifice wasn't enough. It shouldn't surprise us that even His mother gets more appreciation than He does at His birth.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#38 Jun 1, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her,“Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple,“Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
Yup. John took her into his care. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#39 Jun 1, 2013
Where is Randy?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#40 Jun 1, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Where is Randy?
He doesn't do much of the catholic discussions. Wish I knew where he was. Miss having him around, and some of the others too.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#41 Jun 2, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Yup. John took her into his care. Nothing more, nothing less.
Do you not think that St. John was not smart enough to know Blessed Mary would need somebody to take care of her. He was the one Jesus loved the most. Mary was a virgin and had no family left to take care of her. Everybody knew that. If Jesus had brothers and sisters they would have. It was Jewish custom

Jesus is on the Cross, can hardly breath, suffering beyond belief, barely can talk and you think Jesus is making family plans?

Why would the authors of sacred scripture even mention such a minute thing if you think Mary was just an "incubator" for Jesus.

Why would you care who took of Blessed Mary.

Jesus was talking to the only Apostle there representing all mankind.

Behold your Mother. Behold your Son. Jesus was elevating Mary at his death, not making family plans.

The Church taught that from that time own. Even the reformers taught that.

In the long line of reformers to were you are it took a long time to denigrate the Mother of our Lord, the, 1st Christian, the New Eve, the new Ark of the covenant, the Queen of heaven.

Revelation backs this up. We are her offspring because she Satan attempted to do battle with her but could not prevail, so he does battle with us, her offspring.

And your interpretation of scripture means nothing to me. The Bible says not to do that. The Bible is not the pillar and foundation of truth. The Church is.

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