Church of Christ - Rug of Hypocrisy
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#21 May 4, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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That is what I said. Since 382 AD we have the had the Bible and it was determined by the CC, the whole Bible is the inspired and inerrant written word of God. Your verse still say the Bible is profitable for teaching. It does not say the Bible only is profitable for teaching. The Church is the pillar of Truth. That is how the Bible was created.
As for as the Candlestick, that was invented in 1500s when Father Martin Luther removed 7 books of the OT that he knew wouldn't agree with his personal beliefs. He tried to get rid of James too, but his buddies knew they would get push back. The real Bible as canonized by CC, had 73, no candlestick analogy was possible for 1500 years.
The 3 legged stool is an analogy, not a doctrinal statement.b
Completely asinine.

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#22 May 5, 2013
Church of Christ is a church of hypocrites. So is every other church since Jesus ascended. There is no perfect church. There is only imperfect churches of imperfect people worshiping a perfect God.

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#23 May 6, 2013
Olethros wrote:
Church of Christ is a church of hypocrites. So is every other church since Jesus ascended. There is no perfect church. There is only imperfect churches of imperfect people worshiping a perfect God.
So all churches and all the saints claimed by God are hypocrites? This blanket statement does not fit what the bible teaches about the Saints of God ie the christian. Want to clarify?
Barnsdweb

United States

#24 May 6, 2013
Yeshua said God is to be our teacher, and that He is our Teacher. Read the gospel accounts, especially John. Jesus is the Prophet all His Churches follow and obey and trust in His every word.

Judge by His words who are obvious imposters and hypocrites.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#25 May 6, 2013
Barnsdweb wrote:
Yeshua said God is to be our teacher, and that He is our Teacher. Read the gospel accounts, especially John. Jesus is the Prophet all His Churches follow and obey and trust in His every word.
Judge by His words who are obvious imposters and hypocrites.
Wow, first Idaho, now Austin. Hope you're on a western vacation and enjoying yourself. I must now repent for jealousy and covetousness ;)

Agree with the point btw. That should make things simple, but it won't.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#26 May 6, 2013
Olethros wrote:
Church of Christ is a church of hypocrites. So is every other church since Jesus ascended. There is no perfect church. There is only imperfect churches of imperfect people worshiping a perfect God.
I will say there is a perfect church with imperfect people. Jesus created that Church and specifically said it would not fail
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#27 May 6, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Wow, first Idaho, now Austin. Hope you're on a western vacation and enjoying yourself. I must now repent for jealousy and covetousness ;)
Agree with the point btw. That should make things simple, but it won't.
I wonder if that is the same barnsweb that we know:-)
Mark

United States

#28 Nov 10, 2014
JesusCreed wrote:
Until I am able to resolve this, I think it may be best I pull away from this altogether. It’s no wonder that former coc preachers turn atheist. Either God wants unity or He allows disunity. If He allows for disunity, it means all who come to Jesus are saved regardless of their doctrinal flaws/short comings.
How can I tell someone they aren’t saved because they “misunderstood” the purpose of baptism, then turn around and allow others to have doctrinal differences over MDR and others things. If God accepts the inconsistencies of some doctrines, He also will allow for misunderstandings over other doctrines like baptism. If not, why not? Book, Chapter, Verse?
The reason that some in the coc hide their disagreement over doctrine like MDR is because it makes them look like those “awful denominational churches”. It’s hard to condemn others to hell for doctrinal disunity when you are guilty of the same thing. So, instead of dealing with it, it often is swept under the rug of hypocrisy.
If the coc can disagree over MDR, and still be saved, then God obviously will accept doctrinal error of others. This is why the coc bury their doctrinal disagreements under the rug of hypocrisy. They know once they come out and admit they also disagree over doctrine, it opens the door for them awful denominational churches.
If God allows some doctrinal error, where does God stop? How far will God go? If we take this to its logical conclusion, it allows for universalism.
Although I believe that the church of Christ are closer to the truth of Scripture- being close doesn’t count. If some error is allowed, where do we draw the line - Book, Chapter, Verse? If ANY error is allowed, it obviously means God accepts people while holding error. If so, this opens the door to EVERY denomination. After all, every single group, including the coc, lack doctrinal perfection.
It’s no wonder Seeking Wanderer threw in the towel and others I know who have left the “church”. They see the issues, and honestly desire to balance them in light of Scripture; yet, they cannot do so without opening the door for universalism.
The Church of Christ, every movement and sect, is no good. All of them are unclean, legalistic, hypocritical, condemning, and ego-centric minded entities. I am a former member of a COC church which was affiliated with the Boston Movement (ICOC) International Church of Christ.
I became born again and I only remained with the movement for 7 months and I left. So in their eyes I'm Judas Iscariot. The whole thing is a joke.
But, please JesusCreed, do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just because the CoC or any other church did a HORRIBLE job representing Christ does not mean He is not real. He is. Ever since I left CoC, I became so enthralled with His love. Read the Gospel of John and Galatians as well as Colossians. Jesus wants a relationship with you and me, not to burden you with rules and religion. Paul's letter to the Romans says that God's grace is a gift apart from works. I'll be praying for you.
Mike_Peterson

United States

#29 Nov 11, 2014
Mark wrote:
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The Church of Christ, every movement and sect, is no good. All of them are unclean, legalistic, hypocritical, condemning, and ego-centric minded entities. I am a former member of a COC church which was affiliated with the Boston Movement (ICOC) International Church of Christ.
I became born again and I only remained with the movement for 7 months and I left. So in their eyes I'm Judas Iscariot. The whole thing is a joke.
But, please JesusCreed, do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just because the CoC or any other church did a HORRIBLE job representing Christ does not mean He is not real. He is. Ever since I left CoC, I became so enthralled with His love. Read the Gospel of John and Galatians as well as Colossians. Jesus wants a relationship with you and me, not to burden you with rules and religion. Paul's letter to the Romans says that God's grace is a gift apart from works. I'll be praying for you.
Why don' t you come home. The Church created by Jesus has been in existence since Pentecost for 2000. Historical documents prove that has been only 1 Church for last 2000 years.

Describe your relationship with Jesus. Does he abide and you and you in him? There is only one way for that to happen.

Who taught you how to have a personal relationship with him. One cannot understand scripture unless you are taught. Who taught you?
Note

Eden, NC

#31 Nov 12, 2014
I recall the poster Jesus Creed on a previous thread here on Topix defending Johnny Robertson. This defense was in reference to Johnny Robertson accusing under-aged girls dancing in ballerina outfits at the First Christian Church in Kernersville NC of showing their panties and themselves to the men. Johnny Robertson went as far as to accuse them of showing as much as in such as, "full frontal crotch shots, showing panties, themselves to men, as much as in kiddie porn shops and added a few giggles while taking to Roark on the phone. That Thread was named "Thus Sayeth Johnny Robertson", I can no longer find that thread and it seems it has be removed by someone for some reason????

The poster Jesus Creed comment to poster Whitman that the comment about "innocent children and little girls was really distasteful. and he found it distrubing. He said he had seen the show where Johnny discussed the nature of the tape and Johnny Robertson had only done it to demonstrate how perverted some churches had become. According to the comments Jesus Creed thought the comments a poster was putting on Topix was distasteful which was Johnny Robertson's own words describing children dancing but evidently he thought it was OK for Johnny Robertson to describe children the way he did and that was not distasteful??????

Poster Jesus Creed went on to post saying/suggesting (referring to Johnny Robertson) that he would not show the video because if he (Johnny Robertson) showed it he could or would be "slammed" for presenting soft porn and if he didn't show it he would be accused of lying. He said it was a catch 22. This comment was very confusing that Johnny Robertson had already shown the girls on TV and put big blue circles on their private areas as if they were showing something which they were not and made all the horrible accusations against them. This comment made you wonder if Johnny Robertson showed the video again and if as Jesus Creed said he may or could be arrested for showing soft porn and since he had already broadcast them and made horrible accusations against them why wasn't he arrested for soft porn at that time.
NEWS BIT

Eden, NC

#32 Nov 13, 2014
Charles Roark of WGSR TV announced Johnny Robertson had a controversial show coming up that night on Channel 18 and he then phoned Johnny Robertson.
Breaking News was on the screen.
Johnny Robertson told Roark they were going to have a hard time showing the video because it was so graphic and when he played it in Martinsville that night he was going to have pictures from the video and then he'd have a blank out so that you can't actually see what they saw but it would indicate what was able to be viewed. Johnny said it's an old looking video on purpose so that he wouldn't be liable of letting people see something that's questionable. A couple of clips of the girls were shown during this phone conversation and big blue circles had been placed on their private areas. Johnny told Charles Roark you don't have to be involved on internet porn these days you can go to the church building sit on the front row and you get to see children according to Johnny Robertson you get to see everything you see in some of these kiddy porn shops. Johnny said his question is would this fall in the category of exploiting children when you're showing the audience is below and you have these children exposing their undergarments one of them 11 times in a one-minute segment. Johnny went on to say without cover except for panties giving a clear frontal crotch shot. Johnny told Roark eleven times in one minute you've got a full clear shot of these underage girls and we're talking about she's up on a stage and people are down below you can see them down below and they're looking up and they get to view . Johnny went on to ask what if persons heard that the little boys were going into girls bathroom peeking through and they were seeing them their panties they would have a fit. Johnny said you don't have to go in the girls bathroom anymore not in a Christian church around here. After many other remarks Charles Roark said he guesses the perverts will need to start going to church and laughs and Johnny Robertson said well that would help he thought some of them were going to church and that's what they're going for.
Johnny Robertson broadcast the girls in Reidsville about a week after this. This is the show I saw. I don't know what was shown in Martinsville VA. Each time he showed the girls there were big blue circles on their private areas. Johnny made many of the same remarks made on the phone conversation as he showed video of the girls dancing where HE had placed big blue circles on their private areas as if the girls were showing themselves. There were a few callers on the show that night not many. One lady talked about her shorts, another lady talked about if you look and lust you were sinning another lady talked about her mom always wore a dress and was lady like. While Johnny was playing the video of the girls dancing he said this was the kind of behavior going on in the church where eleven times in one minute these young ladies were on stage above the individuals where they were looking up. Johnny bent and looked up and said not straight like we were looking. Johnny said they were actually seeing eleven times instances of straight on undergarments and he just knew they were really close to actually breaking the obscenity laws in North Carolina. Johnny showed on screen the Obscenity law and he read it.
Johnny Robertson then said our community certainly weighed in on it tonight and said they didn't want to be seeing that out in public they didn't want to be seeing young girls showing their undergarments out in public at the mall or in church or any of these places. Johnny went on to say he was very thankful the community had weighed in tonight in such a positive fashion.(My question here would be how can he get only a few callers 4-5 and claim it is the community?) Johnny ended the show with he hoped someone would call the First Christian Church Kernersville
anonymous

Eden, NC

#33 Nov 20, 2014
Very interesting
PKA

Eden, NC

#34 Mar 31, 2015
Here's Johnny
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#35 Apr 10, 2015
Dave P wrote:
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Wow, first Idaho, now Austin. Hope you're on a western vacation and enjoying yourself. I must now repent for jealousy and covetousness ;)
Agree with the point btw. That should make things simple, but it won't.
The fact remains that should be amply sobering to members of every Church. Moves across country are over, and studies into all the matters are done and my book on the topic is soon to be published. Still the matter remains that it will be as Jesus said, there are going to be a lot of disappointed people who thought they were good Christians that He will say He never knew them at all.

The main problem with the Church of Christ stems from their theology based on the writings of Paul, rather than the Teachings of the Christ. They don't even deserve to be called by His name and should call themselves "Church of Paul", as should most Protestants, Evangelicals, Orthodox, Catholics, and especially Pentecostals. Church of Christ preachers love to foist up Acts 2:38,39, then totally deny the validity of Acts 3:22,23.

It's as simple as all who claim His name to go back to His words of God and make them their standard for truth, life and their hope in the coming kingdom of God. Review of His teachings up through the Sermon on the Mount shows that all His words are based on the Law, Prophets and Psalms - yet Church of Christ and everyone else is casting away the very words of God because Paul said they were set aside as a marriage certificate to a dead mate or nailed to the cross - when the Teachings of the Christ show exactly the opposite.

And if salvation is by faith, apart from works, then why does Jesus explicitly teach against this misunderstanding through the entire book of Revelation from His Epistles to the Churches to the final words that those who enter the Heavenly City will do so because of right - not by grace or faith.

Paul did not teach the Scripture uprightly, and a common sense review of Genesis will show anyone willing to take the Paul Blinders off that the Christian faith is not based on Genesis 15, but in Genesis 17.

Indeed - there is a famine for the word of God - everyone has a Bible, but few actually believe what God or the Son of man had to say.

Since: Sep 13

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#36 Apr 10, 2015
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>The fact remains that should be amply sobering to members of every Church. Moves across country are over, and studies into all the matters are done and my book on the topic is soon to be published. Still the matter remains that it will be as Jesus said, there are going to be a lot of disappointed people who thought they were good Christians that He will say He never knew them at all.

The main problem with the Church of Christ stems from their theology based on the writings of Paul, rather than the Teachings of the Christ. They don't even deserve to be called by His name and should call themselves "Church of Paul", as should most Protestants, Evangelicals, Orthodox, Catholics, and especially Pentecostals. Church of Christ preachers love to foist up Acts 2:38,39, then totally deny the validity of Acts 3:22,23.

It's as simple as all who claim His name to go back to His words of God and make them their standard for truth, life and their hope in the coming kingdom of God. Review of His teachings up through the Sermon on the Mount shows that all His words are based on the Law, Prophets and Psalms - yet Church of Christ and everyone else is casting away the very words of God because Paul said they were set aside as a marriage certificate to a dead mate or nailed to the cross - when the Teachings of the Christ show exactly the opposite.

And if salvation is by faith, apart from works, then why does Jesus explicitly teach against this misunderstanding through the entire book of Revelation from His Epistles to the Churches to the final words that those who enter the Heavenly City will do so because of right - not by grace or faith.

Paul did not teach the Scripture uprightly, and a common sense review of Genesis will show anyone willing to take the Paul Blinders off that the Christian faith is not based on Genesis 15, but in Genesis 17.

Indeed - there is a famine for the word of God - everyone has a Bible, but few actually believe what God or the Son of man had to say.
Except for you. Took God 2000 years to get it right, huh?

You are the chosen one. Like so many million others

Bizarre to think 2000 years later you are right and multiple billions have been wrong that long

Worse than Bizarre. Sad that you think that way about yourself

God complex man. So many of you protesters have that.

Only prayer can cure thAt
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#37 Apr 11, 2015
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Except for you. Took God 2000 years to get it right, huh?
You are the chosen one. Like so many million others
Bizarre to think 2000 years later you are right and multiple billions have been wrong that long
Worse than Bizarre. Sad that you think that way about yourself
God complex man. So many of you protesters have that.
Only prayer can cure thAt
Prayer is one of the most important tools and helps we have, and it should go hand in hand with the word of God and the Holy Spirit. When the accounts of the sermon on the mount were made, Luke's account lacks some of the opening body of the teachings, but adds one near the end - of the need to dig down through the sand/dirt to reach the bedrock, or rock to put the structure of the house on. I'll have to say this is an excellent way to tell the matter as we face it today.

Soil above the rock is largely decomposed and organically contamination of the parent rock below. So we're faced with an analogy of the original teachings have been cracked and separated, then broken down into finer and finer elements and ultimately being contaminated by organic materials that are not even fractured or pulverized parent rock - but something altogether different in nature.

So it is with what men throughout the centuries have done as they refused to accept the whole of His words of life and first cracked them, then further broke them down and totally contaminated them so as to be unrecognizable to be the rock, but are actually nothing more than dirt - just as Jesus said would happen! Are we called by the Lord to do the labor to dig down through those centuries of dirt and broken rock, to expose the very words He gave from God and to then reform our conscience to actually be doing the will of God?

I think this applies perfectly, and evidence is found throughout that Rock to show what we have been building upon is NOT the rock, but nothing but the dirt of Paul and false apostles or prophets and Pauline Pharisees that totally brand the very words of God to be "legalistic", rather than what brings the life He has always desired mankind to live through abiding in His gracious instructions in righteousness.

Maybe it's more than you are able to grasp - but trying to shame me is not going to make the imperishable words of God go away - and they will judge you just as they will be my judge as well.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#38 Apr 11, 2015
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>Prayer is one of the most important tools and helps we have, and it should go hand in hand with the word of God and the Holy Spirit. When the accounts of the sermon on the mount were made, Luke's account lacks some of the opening body of the teachings, but adds one near the end - of the need to dig down through the sand/dirt to reach the bedrock, or rock to put the structure of the house on. I'll have to say this is an excellent way to tell the matter as we face it today.

Soil above the rock is largely decomposed and organically contamination of the parent rock below. So we're faced with an analogy of the original teachings have been cracked and separated, then broken down into finer and finer elements and ultimately being contaminated by organic materials that are not even fractured or pulverized parent rock - but something altogether different in nature.

So it is with what men throughout the centuries have done as they refused to accept the whole of His words of life and first cracked them, then further broke them down and totally contaminated them so as to be unrecognizable to be the rock, but are actually nothing more than dirt - just as Jesus said would happen! Are we called by the Lord to do the labor to dig down through those centuries of dirt and broken rock, to expose the very words He gave from God and to then reform our conscience to actually be doing the will of God?

I think this applies perfectly, and evidence is found throughout that Rock to show what we have been building upon is NOT the rock, but nothing but the dirt of Paul and false apostles or prophets and Pauline Pharisees that totally brand the very words of God to be "legalistic", rather than what brings the life He has always desired mankind to live through abiding in His gracious instructions in righteousness.

Maybe it's more than you are able to grasp - but trying to shame me is not going to make the imperishable words of God go away - and they will judge you just as they will be my judge as well.
Jesus named Peter Rock. The first man in history to be named that. In the same breath, he said he would build his Church on Rock

Have you ever confessed your sins the way Jesus said to? He said his Church has that Authority.

Of course you believe only his words you want to and you believe only the way you want to

You will not allow yourself to be taught. Like most protesters you confuse Democracy with the Kingdom.

What you think does not matter. What you believe dies with you. How can that be from God.

What I was taught and am being taught is 2000 years old. When I die that teaching will be the same then as it when the Apostles taught. 2000 more years it will be the same until Jesus comes back
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#39 Apr 12, 2015
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Jesus named Peter Rock. The first man in history to be named that. In the same breath, he said he would build his Church on Rock
Have you ever confessed your sins the way Jesus said to? He said his Church has that Authority.
Of course you believe only his words you want to and you believe only the way you want to
You will not allow yourself to be taught. Like most protesters you confuse Democracy with the Kingdom.
What you think does not matter. What you believe dies with you. How can that be from God.
What I was taught and am being taught is 2000 years old. When I die that teaching will be the same then as it when the Apostles taught. 2000 more years it will be the same until Jesus comes back
You've got it backwards once more.... The kingdom of God is not a democracy, this is true. There is but one King to whom belong all power and authority - Jesus Christ the righteous.

Your paganized church votes it's leaders in. The Kingdom of God is not a democracy.

See how confused you get when you listen to men, rather than to God?

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#40 Apr 12, 2015
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>You've got it backwards once more.... The kingdom of God is not a democracy, this is true. There is but one King to whom belong all power and authority - Jesus Christ the righteous.

Your paganized church votes it's leaders in. The Kingdom of God is not a democracy.

See how confused you get when you listen to men, rather than to God?
Are you a man? You listen to yourself don't you

What nonsense you come up with. 1/2 Sommerite 1/2 del Tondo
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#41 Apr 12, 2015
None of it is from Sommerite and none of it is from Deltondo. All of it is based on the testimony of Jesus Christ and the Scriptures extant in his day, and only the testimony of the original disciples is used. So your lies may comfort your mind, in your own deluded ways, but none of your comforts as based on Roman Catholic Doctrine and unsupported by the very words of God will stand.

None of the scum of your replies affects me whatsoever....

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