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William

Birmingham, AL

#81 Jun 2, 2013
"No not all of them."

Which possessions did Christ tell the rich young ruler to keep?

Everyone wants to hang on to their flesh, it seems.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#82 Jun 2, 2013
Just go a little further verses farther. You know the one. Harder for a camel ect. Jesus says with God anything is possible. In other words God will help 'rich' people get to heaven if they want it.
The Bible doesn't contradict it either. It also says your are worst than a unbeliever if you don't take care of your family. If you sell everything you cant do that.
The Camel and the Eye of the Needle. "copied"
The needle-eye gate was one of many gates into the walled city of Jerusalem. In order for camels to pass through the gate, they had to unload their loads and stoop down, while people behind them pushed them in. Yes this gate is narrow and very small for camel to enter.
Jesus was saying that everyone has to pass through the narrow gates to enter heaven. Just like the camels, rich people must unload their material baggage and kneel in humility, acknowledging that all of their possessions came from the grace of God.
Yes it will be doubly hard to let go of material possessions if you have plenty and have the tendencies to overly indulge with it. Thus the verse "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”.
In a nutshell, camels understood the virtue of detaching themselves from their material burdens in order for them to get into their stables.
Rich people are asked to do the same. Rich people are ask to possess riches and rule over it. Be the master of material possessions and not the slave to it, acknowledging that they are mere stewards of God’s blessings. They are ask to detach themselves from earthly riches and ask to utilize these possessions as channels to glorify God.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#83 Jun 2, 2013
William wrote:
"No not all of them."
Which possessions did Christ tell the rich young ruler to keep?
Everyone wants to hang on to their flesh, it seems.
Also the Bible doesn't contradict itself. If you sell everything and give it to the poor, you cant take care of your family. Remember the verse it is better to be an unbeliever than to not take care of youi family
William

Warrior, AL

#84 Jun 2, 2013
That verse from Paul to Timothy is not what Christ told the rich young man.

Not even close.
mopman

United States

#85 Jun 2, 2013
It's ashamed that the Prots do not understand thier own delima.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#86 Jun 3, 2013
William wrote:
"Because I make no pretension to perfection, and I'm not rich either:-) We need to use some common sense here, William:-)"
On your website, you state the following:
"True doctrine is to observe all teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ."
ALL teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, is what you said.
Jesus Christ told the rich man to sell his possessions and goods and give them to the poor, in order to be perfect. Have you done this? Have you observed ALL teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, as you yourself tout on your website?
I strongly suspect that the answer is "no", which leaves you in quite the pickle.
;)
Not really. Think about it. Has God ever required anything of anyone that was not in their ability and resources to accomplish? We can look back at OT records and I don't recall a one, and some that others take Jesus as teaching in the NT were not as all-embracing as some think, as He also said some things later in His ministry that applied, and He clearly said it wasn't for everyone to keep, but only those who were able to - which leads full circle to the individual circumstance. We need to have some wisdom in following. Another example would be to say who has gouged out their eyes, or cut off hands or legs that the wisdom was in the cutting off the body part? There is no example of this in the NT. It's a drastic action! I'm lead to understand this was said to say how important it is to avoid sinning - not that we actually cut off hands or feet or such actions.
Taken in the whole, divorce has more direction than the sermon on the mount - but that's the foundational directions. If perfection is required, why would Jesus say something like He did in Matthew 19 about divorce? He was upholding limitations to divorce parameters.
As He said, if we want to know what He taught is the very word of God, that by doing it we would come to the truth - some things are not needful to do to know, such as the example cited above, but we need to take what was given to heart and make a point to be real about doing what He said - rather than say it's too hard to do, and thereby not actually needful to do - as many Evangelicals teach - such as J. Vernon McGee. Read 'Thru The Bible' commentaries on the subject of the Sermon on the Mount and others. This is what he believed - that His commandments and teaching are for the future time when He rules on earth or in heaven. Jesus said they apply to us today. Jesus said to make disciples of Him, immerse them, and teach them to keep the same commandments He gave those original disciples.
If this isn't what He taught - please do point me to the passages that so much as teach something else!
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#87 Jun 3, 2013
William wrote:
"True doctrine is to observe ALL teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ."
Luke 5:12-14 (KJV)
12 And it came to pass, when he was in a certain city, behold a man full of leprosy: who seeing Jesus fell on his face, and besought him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
13 And he put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will: be thou clean. And immediately the leprosy departed from him.
14 And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Barnsy, Jesus Christ told this leper after healed him to go and offer a sacrifice for his cleansing.
Q: Where do you suggest someone today go and do that? And who would they offer the sacrifice to if they did do it?
"True doctrine is to observe all teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ."
That's what you said, right?
;)
Did the cleansed man do what Jesus said to do?:-) Do we have a temple with priests and an alar to offer the sacrifices God commanded in the OT? No. What was done away with were the priesthood ordinances. There is historical record that certain signs that accompanied the OT sacrificial system ceased with the cruifiction.(scarlet thread turning white is one, the scape goat returning is another)

My take is not so much to each individual direction, but rather the things He told the disciples to do - which fits what I said to start with. Can you give some examples of things commanded of the disciples that don't apply today? The only one I can think of at the moment has to do with His commanding them to go preach and heal and drive out demons - which they did. Does this apply to us today? The proof would be known through the doing - it was for then, as the work He gave them to do was accomplished - can it be said to be equally applicable today?

Any others come you your mind?
mopman

United States

#88 Jun 3, 2013
Webs in a barn is so close to being Catholic. What a joy to see a heart willing to change. Wishful thinking, yeah. Sadly, he bites the hand that feeds him.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#89 Jun 3, 2013
? God provides for all, and I'm trying not to by hypocritical, but still growing in the truth of Jesus, as taught by Jesus... It's too much for Church of Christ, LDS and Catholic - but that's because they need to return to the love of God as first taught by Jesus Christ ...

Feel free to dig down to the rock of living by His word. If you can live according to what He taught - as you best and practically can understand it in a straightforward way - you won't find me taking any pot-shots at you. We all stand or fall by the same words that lead to eternal life.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#90 Jun 12, 2013
So everyone is in agreement with this?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#91 Jun 13, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
? God provides for all, and I'm trying not to by hypocritical, but still growing in the truth of Jesus, as taught by Jesus... It's too much for Church of Christ, LDS and Catholic - but that's because they need to return to the love of God as first taught by Jesus Christ ...
Feel free to dig down to the rock of living by His word. If you can live according to what He taught - as you best and practically can understand it in a straightforward way - you won't find me taking any pot-shots at you. We all stand or fall by the same words that lead to eternal life.
BW You really sound like you are an "Emergent".
Barnsweb

Lewis Center, OH

#92 Jun 13, 2013
? Don't even know what 'Emergent' is...?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#93 Jun 13, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
? Don't even know what 'Emergent' is...?
Don't worry, you are not one.
Barnsweb

Lewis Center, OH

#94 Jun 14, 2013
Good... all I know is 'pre-emergent' is a pesticide to prevent weeds from emerging:-) Since the tares sprouted in the field God planted, I don't think we need to go anywhere with that lame analogy:-)
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#95 Jun 14, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Don't worry, you are not one.
Maybe Bobby is. He described his Bible Church exactly like this. This is from a Protestant website.

Another area where the emerging / emergent church movement has become anti-biblical is its focus on ecumenism. Unity among people coming from different religious backgrounds and diversity in the expression or corporate worship are strong focuses of the emergent church movement. Being ecumenical means that compromise is taking place, and this results in a watering down of Scripture in favor of not offending an apostate. This is in direct opposition to passages such as Revelation 2:14-17, Jesus' letter to the church of Pergamum, in which the Church is warned against tolerating those who teach false doctrine.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/emerging-church-e...
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#96 Jun 14, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe Bobby is. He described his Bible Church exactly like this. This is from a Protestant website.
Another area where the emerging / emergent church movement has become anti-biblical is its focus on ecumenism. Unity among people coming from different religious backgrounds and diversity in the expression or corporate worship are strong focuses of the emergent church movement. Being ecumenical means that compromise is taking place, and this results in a watering down of Scripture in favor of not offending an apostate. This is in direct opposition to passages such as Revelation 2:14-17, Jesus' letter to the church of Pergamum, in which the Church is warned against tolerating those who teach false doctrine.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/emerging-church-e...
I agree with the author concerning the emerging church. I also mostly agree with the same author on this subject, do you? I especially agree with the part about The “30,000 Protestant denominations” argument. You should be able to see that at work with your opposition here.

http://www.blogos.org/gotquestions/roman-cath...
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#97 Jun 14, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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I agree with the author concerning the emerging church. I also mostly agree with the same author on this subject, do you? I especially agree with the part about The “30,000 Protestant denominations” argument. You should be able to see that at work with your opposition here.
http://www.blogos.org/gotquestions/roman-cath...
I agree with that post. Those things are exactly what we've been saying to the catholic cavalry all along.

The emerging church is a different beast altogether.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#98 Jun 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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I agree with that post. Those things are exactly what we've been saying to the catholic cavalry all along.
The emerging church is a different beast altogether.
It is the "reformation" of the "great awakening" to the original Protesters. The saga continues.

All because of one man made doctrine. SS.

This forum proves it. 4 protestants all believing something different. 4 out 4. The 30,000 number was from a Protestant encyclopedia in the year 2000. The World Christian Encyclopedia.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#99 Jun 14, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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It is the "reformation" of the "great awakening" to the original Protesters. The saga continues.
All because of one man made doctrine. SS.
This forum proves it. 4 protestants all believing something different. 4 out 4. The 30,000 number was from a Protestant encyclopedia in the year 2000. The World Christian Encyclopedia.
Good day junior.

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