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Dave P

Lexington, KY

#22 Jun 21, 2013
I'm curious to see the coc response to this holy kiss idea. How about it JustChristian, Heath, that other Mark? How about the CENI-S view of all of this?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#23 Jun 21, 2013
Mike you can be saved, leave the cult you are in and have faith in God that Jesus alone is your savior.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#24 Jun 21, 2013
Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved. That one person is Jesus-not the pope or the Vatican or catholic tradition- Scripture reveals truth.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#25 Jun 21, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Mike you can be saved, leave the cult you are in and have faith in God that Jesus alone is your savior.
I was saved , I am being saved, and if I follow the teaching of God and his Church , I hope to be saved.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#26 Jun 21, 2013
Bobby wrote:
Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved. That one person is Jesus-not the pope or the Vatican or catholic tradition- Scripture reveals truth.
Amen:

Of course it does. It says the Church is the pillar of foundation and not the Bible. The Bible is sufficient for teaching, by who? The Church is the pillar of foundation of truth.

coroshodoba ishi codroshodoba isha manarashabadada
ishi coroshodobadaishi na ba ba ba rama ishi coroshodaba marishi noracoshodab ma ma ma rasha ishi coroshoda bab ba ba shoro mara ishi na nana ...

Whoa I posted in tongues.

I got this from a person who wrote down what he said from a recording of him talking in tongues.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#27 Jun 21, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I was saved , I am being saved, and if I follow the teaching of God and his Church , I hope to be saved.
Say it like it is actually taught "I don't know if I am saved or not, but if I die and wake up in purgatory, I will know that I did not have enough good works to outweigh my bad ones" now that is the truth!
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#28 Jun 21, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Say it like it is actually taught "I don't know if I am saved or not, but if I die and wake up in purgatory, I will know that I did not have enough good works to outweigh my bad ones" now that is the truth!
I hope I make it to purgatory. That means I am getting cleaned up to meet God. Nothing impure enters heaven.

I guess you are completely pure right now though.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#29 Jun 21, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I hope I make it to purgatory. That means I am getting cleaned up to meet God. Nothing impure enters heaven.
I guess you are completely pure right now though.
“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”

Jesus says,“It is finished”, but you want to say, It is not finished. Does he need to go back to the cross and shed more blood each time we sin-no.

But you believe you must eat his flesh and drink his blood every sunday in order to stay alive. Help him out mark!
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#31 Jun 21, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”
Jesus says,“It is finished”, but you want to say, It is not finished. Does he need to go back to the cross and shed more blood each time we sin-no.
But you believe you must eat his flesh and drink his blood every sunday in order to stay alive. Help him out mark!
Bobby you continue to reply to a with an answer in left field.

So are you saying that Jesus saying it is finished means that the empty tomb had nothing to do with salvation?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#32 Jun 21, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Bobby you continue to reply to a with an answer in left field.
So are you saying that Jesus saying it is finished means that the empty tomb had nothing to do with salvation?
I thought you were once a baptist.

“it is finished” is an accounting term in the greek that means “paid in full.” When Jesus uttered those words, He was declaring the debt owed to His Father was wiped away completely and forever. Not that Jesus wiped away any debt that He owed to the Father; rather, Jesus eliminated the debt owed by mankind—the debt of sin.

The debt for all mankind has been paid in full, it is appropriated/applied to our account when we accept Jesus as our savior. Our works follow our justification but our works are not salvific. Eph 2:6-10

Verse 10For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#33 Jun 22, 2013
Thought Mike was the one who brought up "the finished work of the cross"?

Where's those coc responses to the holy kiss idea? Does everyone run from these kinds of things like scalded dogs?
Yolanda Xavier Yodel

Bellefonte, PA

#34 Jun 22, 2013
there is no response except excuse and redirection. if they have an ounce of intellectual honesty, they would admit that it's a hole in their theology, and that they aren't that much different then the rest of us: doing the best they can, but trusting God's grace to ultimately do it all (Romans 3:20-24).

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#36 Jun 22, 2013
You prots just want to see 2 men kissing and giggle a bit.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#37 Jun 22, 2013
"It is finished."

Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Christ our Passover lamb has been sacrificed, therefore"_what?_we don't need to have any more sacrifice? Therefore we don't need to have any more ritual, therefore all we have to do is have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and invite him into our hearts and everything else is taken care of? No, he's too knowledgeable about the Old Testament to say any of that. He says, "Christ our Passover lamb has been sacrificed; let us therefore celebrate the feast." What feast? The whole Passover feast. It's not complete yet. What do you mean?

Well, go back to the Old Testament, to the book of Exodus. Suppose that night as head of my household and father, I sacrificed an unblemished lamb with no broken bones, and I sprinkled his blood on the door post, and then I said, "Family, we're safe, let's go to bed', and we went to bed. I'd wake up in the morning to tragedy. My firstborn would be dead. Why? You had to eat the lamb. It isn't enough to kill him. That is the satisfaction for sin, but the ultimate goal of sacrifice is not blood and gore and God making sure He sees the death. The ultimate goal is to restore communion, to have fellowship with God restored. And that's what's signified by eating the lamb. Who shares a common meal? Family. What is this a sign of? Covenant. And what is a covenant? A sacred family bond. In the Old Testament any family that sacrificed a lamb and sprinkled the blood had to eat the lamb. It wasn't enough to say,'Well we don't like lamb do we, kids? Why don't we make lamb cookies? Little lamb wafers that symbolize the lamb? We'll eat those and those'll be enough, right? Symbolic presence of the lamb, and all that?' No, you'd wake up and you'd be dead. You ate the lamb and you burned what was left. But you ate the lamb to reestablish and restore communion with your heavenly Father through His firstborn Son and Lamb. That's the way it was in the Old Testament, and St. Paul recognizes that it's still the way it is in the new covenant, only in spades, only with more glory. Why? Because Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Once and for all on calvary he's been put to death, therefore_what? Therefore we've nothing to do. Just celebrate the sacrifice, which is over and done with_ No, something's missing. We need to eat the Lamb. We need to receive the Lamb to restore communion and to complete the sacrifice and to keep the feast . It's proper, and we now judge it to be necessary. 1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Christ our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed and now let us celebrate the feast." And the next five chapters in many ways St. Paul describes how the Eucharist is to be celebrated, because it's the culmination of the Passover sacrifice.

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#40 Jul 10, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I hope I make it to purgatory. That means I am getting cleaned up to meet God. Nothing impure enters heaven.
I guess you are completely pure right now though.
I am completely pure right now.

Since: Feb 13

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#41 Jul 10, 2013
If the Mrtinsville and Danville disevangelists say we all have to obey one-half of the verse that says "the chuches of Christ salute you" but they themselves disobey the first half which commands greeting one another with a holy kiss, that shows they don't live up to what they teach about the Bible. So then no one else has to, either.

They'll disobey by wussing out and insisting they can do a handshake instead. Okay, my church can be called a Methodist or Baptist Chuch instead, too.

Since: May 10

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#42 Jul 10, 2013
Olethros wrote:
If the Mrtinsville and Danville disevangelists say we all have to obey one-half of the verse that says "the chuches of Christ salute you" but they themselves disobey the first half which commands greeting one another with a holy kiss, that shows they don't live up to what they teach about the Bible. So then no one else has to, either.
They'll disobey by wussing out and insisting they can do a handshake instead. Okay, my church can be called a Methodist or Baptist Chuch instead, too.
lol what a logical thought.

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