Who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses

Who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses

Created by Barnsweb on Aug 11, 2013

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Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#545 Jul 21, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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But Dave it was the law that condemned us because it revealed our sin and no one could keep it but Jesus.
The Purpose of the Law
…23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
No Condemnation in Christ
…2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Jeremiah 31:31 and Ezekiel 36:25,26 and Isaiah 42.
If God was going to do something new, and
If God said He would give men His Spirit to write His instructions (LAW) on our hearts, that we be drawn to carefully keep His words from our hearts - and
The Messiah would magnify the Torah and cause Gentiles to keep it -

How does this fit with what Paul said that you quoted? Is what Paul wrote compatible with the prophecies of the gospel and the Messiah's accomplishments? Did Paul speak according to the Testimony?(or the Law?)

Isaiah 8:20 - To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#546 Jul 21, 2014
I see nothing in James that limits his term to the big 10 only. Vs ten simply said that if one kept ALL the law yet stumbles in one point they have become guilty of ALL. If he meant the big ten he would have said it.

Sabbath is a different idea. One at a time.

But the sabbath, the 10, the 613 were not given to all. Given to Israel. The sojourners who came to Israel were to abide by it. It was not given to the gentiles at large.

James also addresses the royal law and the law of liberty, neither of which are the law of Moses. Law does NOT always mean the law of Moses.
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#547 Jul 21, 2014
Thank you for acknowledging that the Colossians passage speaks of the debt of sin, not law, being nailed to the cross.
Paul didn't teach against the law being given by God. He did repeat ancient Jewish tradition about angels being at Sinai, which Stephen repeated as well.
Nowhere did he say the law was not of God. Have you also not read Romans 2:13 where Paul said "the DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED"?
And if Paul said the law was a tutor to lead us TO CHRIST, how can that be a bad thing?
Explain to us how the law brings LIFE. Explain how we can be righteous through law keeping.
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#548 Jul 21, 2014
Isaiah 8:20 has to do with those in Israel encouraging others to seek out mediums. Living seeking answers from the dead. Not a general statement to be applied.
Also you need to see complete revelation. Scripture is clear that at least Abraham was declares righteous before the law ever existed; and that the law was a stopgap (not the church as premills teach).
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#549 Jul 21, 2014
Dave P wrote:
Thank you for acknowledging that the Colossians passage speaks of the debt of sin, not law, being nailed to the cross.
Paul didn't teach against the law being given by God. He did repeat ancient Jewish tradition about angels being at Sinai, which Stephen repeated as well.
Nowhere did he say the law was not of God. Have you also not read Romans 2:13 where Paul said "the DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED"?
And if Paul said the law was a tutor to lead us TO CHRIST, how can that be a bad thing?
Explain to us how the law brings LIFE. Explain how we can be righteous through law keeping.
Aside from what God said on the matter when given, or what Jesus said, I find that the longest Psalm has a lot of great things to say about the importance, goodness and blessings of the Law - Psalm 119. I also see it as speaking about the instructions of God that Jesus gave us as well. There is no way I'd attempt to better what David said.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#550 Jul 21, 2014
Dave P wrote:
Isaiah 8:20 has to do with those in Israel encouraging others to seek out mediums. Living seeking answers from the dead. Not a general statement to be applied.
Also you need to see complete revelation. Scripture is clear that at least Abraham was declares righteous before the law ever existed; and that the law was a stopgap (not the church as premills teach).
There were two passages Paul used that the Greek translation was not as good as it should have been. The one regarding Abraham - recall that capitalization of the "He" was non existent and we tend to not recognize it was Abraham counting God as faithful.

The real issue is found in Genesis 26:5, which is when God declared Abraham faithful.

And the Micah passage is also mistranslated to say "faith", rather than "faithfulness", which makes a huge difference and also fits best with the teachings of Jesus. Jesus taught faithfulness.....

Don't draw conclusions on what Paul said - at least prove the matter true according to the Law and Testimony and Psalms.
Catholic RC Sproul

Charlottesville, VA

#551 Jul 21, 2014
what ouch there Dave BW tying to get a home run but guess what ? BW aint no Greek scholar like Jimmy Crack Corn. My Greek says BW hates Paul and eats some red sea with Moses.
Jimmy Crack Corn

Charlottesville, VA

#552 Jul 21, 2014
Catholic RC Sproul, you must be drunk on the wine like your son RC junior. I hear your son has some good wineries. whatever though you cant be saved without works no such thing
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#553 Jul 22, 2014
The Bible is a gold mine for the soul, and the teachings of Jesus are surely the Mother-Lode of its grace and truth. In the parable of the talents, the master went away on a long journey and entrusted his wealth to his servants. We all have God given talents, but the greatest treasure Jesus gave us are His teachings and wisdom about how to live the life that brings joy and has the blessings of God. What are we doing with the great treasures of the grace and truth of God? When Jesus gave the great commission in Matthew He gave the outline of what it means to be a disciple. He didn't call them 'Christians', but 'disciples.' In the great commission (Matthew 28:19,20) Jesus said to make disciples (of Him), baptize them (Acts 2:38,39), and teach those disciples to observe and keep whatever He had first commanded them (Acts 3:22,23).
The Sermon on the Mount, found in Matthew 5-7, Jesus says (7:24-27):
"Therefore whoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
But everyone who hears these sayings of mine and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."

He was making a specific point in this sermon to identify "these sayings of mine." After review of many translations, including the oldest Aramaic manuscript translated into English, the matters given in the opening lessons define key elements being established that all disciples of Jesus must note. Also regarding the transmission of teachings, Y’shua (Jesus) was often called “Rabbi”, or Teacher, of the Torah. This role was a very important one at that time, as it also is now. He is our Teacher. Give close attention to what was said in the Holy Scriptures that were being taught about and see the clarity and light brought to their meaning and application to the lives of the disciples.

If the RCC is the true Church, how is it she is the one with the most understanding of the treasures of God, yet the one who beats up on other fellow servants the most? No, it doesn't fit, so it's more likely that her belief in the wafer must be lacking something.

Perhaps if the Catholic Church confessed her sins and washed in the wholeness of His truth there might be some hope for her?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#554 Jul 22, 2014
Catholic RC Sproul wrote:
what ouch there Dave BW tying to get a home run but guess what ? BW aint no Greek scholar like Jimmy Crack Corn. My Greek says BW hates Paul and eats some red sea with Moses.
Aren't we called to love God first and most? I have no love for those who oppose God and His word, or the need to abide in whatever Jesus said, or those who refuse to allow others to grow in the fullness of the grace and truth of God, or those who say to live by the Spirit, yet deny the Spirit the words and instructions of God.

Does God love Satan?

If not, why?

Should we agree with God if we want His blessings?

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