Who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses

Created by Barnsweb on Aug 11, 2013

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DANNO

London, UK

#405 Jul 9, 2014
William wrote:
"So I thank God that Luke recorded the matters of Acts 1-3 in historical context of the speakers involved, but once Paul is on the scene, have you ever noted how Luke is Paul's personal historian?"
This is lame even for a fake wanna-be Jew like you. The Holy Spirit wrote Acts via the pen of Luke, so you don't get to pick and choose what chapters you like and don't like of the account.
Run along now and sell out everything you own. Including your computer. If we see you posting here again it means that you have failed to follow everything that Jesus told you to do.
Luke 23; 40 says ONE thief cursed Jesus !!

Matt 27: 44 says BOTH thieves cursed Jesus !!

Whom do you think I should believe LUKE or Matthew??
DANNO

London, UK

#406 Jul 9, 2014
38 % say God

38 % also say ange.

I say GOD!
William

Birmingham, AL

#407 Jul 9, 2014
DANNO wrote:
Luke 23; 40 says ONE thief cursed Jesus !!

Matt 27: 44 says BOTH thieves cursed Jesus !!

Whom do you think I should believe LUKE or Matthew??
Looks like one of them changed his mind before he died.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#408 Jul 14, 2014
William wrote:
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Looks like one of them changed his mind before he died.
Does it look like one did? Or does one not tell the actual truth, but insert a falsehood into the text of what disciples of Jesus are to believe and do?

Mark says some odd things, and did Luke give the clarity of the overview of His instructions from that time about discipleship, baptism and His commandments? No, Luke falls far short, and shorter still is Mark.

There is historical evidence that the First Century Church at Jerusalem, while some of the original disciples still lived (64-67 AD) said only the gospel of Matthew as considered Scripture, and that only in the original Hebrew - thus rejecting the Greek. Where is the original Hebrew Matthew?

If we are disciples of the Christ, then we need to abide in His word, and His word was faithfully transmitted to us by His original disciples. We know who they were.

Mark, Luke, Paul, Barnabas were not. So why base truth on anyone but those that Jesus prayed to receive Holy Spirit recall of all He had first taught them?

Makes no sense to me to believe anyone else over what they said.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#409 Jul 14, 2014
DANNO wrote:
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Luke 23; 40 says ONE thief cursed Jesus !!
Matt 27: 44 says BOTH thieves cursed Jesus !!
Whom do you think I should believe LUKE or Matthew??
I'm glad someone gets it!!!
Dave P

Flemingsburg, KY

#410 Jul 14, 2014
I've seen Danno on other forums. I wouldn't hang my hat on the fact he may agree with you.
Dave P

Flemingsburg, KY

#411 Jul 14, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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There is historical evidence that the First Century Church at Jerusalem, while some of the original disciples still lived (64-67 AD) said only the gospel of Matthew as considered Scripture, and that only in the original Hebrew - thus rejecting the Greek. Where is the original Hebrew Matthew?
If we are disciples of the Christ, then we need to abide in His word, and His word was faithfully transmitted to us by His original disciples. We know who they were.
Mark, Luke, Paul, Barnabas were not. So why base truth on anyone but those that Jesus prayed to receive Holy Spirit recall of all He had first taught them?
Makes no sense to me to believe anyone else over what they said.
If the early church rejected everything as scripture except Matthew in Hebrew:

1-why do you go against their ruling? They didn't say John was scripture did they? But you do. Perhaps the council was right.

How do you get to say who was a disciple and who wasn't! Not your job!
William

Birmingham, AL

#412 Jul 14, 2014
Matthew records Jesus as King.

Mark records Jesus as a servant.

Luke records Jesus as a man.

John records Jesus as God.

That's how it appears to me.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#413 Jul 14, 2014
Dave P wrote:
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If the early church rejected everything as scripture except Matthew in Hebrew:
1-why do you go against their ruling? They didn't say John was scripture did they? But you do. Perhaps the council was right.
How do you get to say who was a disciple and who wasn't! Not your job!
1. Reason why Matthew was accepted - the same reason applies to John and Revelation.
So if I take the same reason and apply it, that is faithful to their principles and the commandments of God regarding who we are to hear.

2. Absolutely it is our job. Ever read I and II John? particularly II John 9-11? Only disciples keep His commandments and hold true Christian doctrine to be the teachings of Jesus Christ (Master Y'shua).
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#414 Jul 14, 2014
William wrote:
Matthew records Jesus as King.
Mark records Jesus as a servant.
Luke records Jesus as a man.
John records Jesus as God.
That's how it appears to me.
Yeah, on the surface. I've read the same book on that topic...

Not that useful.
William

Birmingham, AL

#415 Jul 15, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
Yeah, on the surface. I've read the same book on that topic...

Not that useful.
Selling out everything you own and giving the proceeds to the poor would be considered useful, according to "Master Yeshua".

The rich young ruler there in Matthew's account sure needed you around to help explain away how that Jesus "wasn't really" telling him to sell out everything he owned. That's not what Jesus "actually meant" when he told him that.
William

Birmingham, AL

#416 Jul 15, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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1. Reason why Matthew was accepted - the same reason applies to John and Revelation.
So if I take the same reason and apply it, that is faithful to their principles and the commandments of God regarding who we are to hear.
2. Absolutely it is our job. Ever read I and II John? particularly II John 9-11? Only disciples keep His commandments and hold true Christian doctrine to be the teachings of Jesus Christ (Master Y'shua).
Since you believe in Jesus and are also zealous of the law (i.e., the Torah), why aren't you keeping it? Not "making an attempt to keep it", but actually obeying it.

Word for word.

All 613 laws and commandments.
Dave P

Flemingsburg, KY

#417 Jul 15, 2014
You BW said the council only accepted the Hebrew Matthew. That means John and Revelation are out. You don't get to say something is scripture that they reject do you?

Wheat and tares-Jesus and the angels separate out all the offenders not us.

How many are holding gnostic error these days? You seem to be good at ignoring context to gather up ammo for your arguments. Hard line coc use the same verses to attack those who disagree with them.
William

Birmingham, AL

#418 Jul 15, 2014
Dave P wrote:
You BW said the council only accepted the Hebrew Matthew. That means John and Revelation are out. You don't get to say something is scripture that they reject do you?

Wheat and tares-Jesus and the angels separate out all the offenders not us.

How many are holding gnostic error these days? You seem to be good at ignoring context to gather up ammo for your arguments. Hard line coc use the same verses to attack those who disagree with them.
Pretty soon, he will be down to just the five books of Moses plus Matthew.

Minus that "selling out" part, of course.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#419 Jul 15, 2014
William wrote:
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Since you believe in Jesus and are also zealous of the law (i.e., the Torah), why aren't you keeping it? Not "making an attempt to keep it", but actually obeying it.
Word for word.
All 613 laws and commandments.
That's not the standard God gave for the sojourners and strangers with Israel.
I'd recommend you at least look through that list and pay attention to who is instructed to do what.

Your comment is lacking any familiarity with the commandments of God.
William

Boaz, AL

#420 Jul 15, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
Your comment is lacking any familiarity with the commandments of God.
You didn't even know that there were 613 laws and commandments in the Law of Moses until I pointed it out to you.

And you are no more "obeying" the law than any other person that called themself a Jew, no matter if they believed in Jesus or not. You can't obey something until you know what it actually is.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#421 Jul 15, 2014
William wrote:
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You didn't even know that there were 613 laws and commandments in the Law of Moses until I pointed it out to you.
And you are no more "obeying" the law than any other person that called themself a Jew, no matter if they believed in Jesus or not. You can't obey something until you know what it actually is.
No Jew completely obeyed all of the law either. Paul tells us that it was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that me might be justified by faith.

Listen closely Barnsweb: The law has never saved anyone! Oh, sorry I forgot you have cut most of the new testament from your bible. Don't feel to bad the catholics do the same thing while at the same time saying they believe all of the bible.

23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Then there is a new covenant- which means that the old is no longer in force. We are just plain stupid for believing that-even the catholics refuse to see the difference by mixing law with GRACE.
William

Atlanta, GA

#422 Jul 15, 2014
The death, burial, and resurrection means nothing to a Torah worshipper.

Never has, never will.

It's always about law keeping.

Since: Jul 14

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#423 Jul 15, 2014
It be nothing wrong with law keeping if it be from a spirit of love and an acknowledgement that Jesus already done what is necessary for us. I must be careful not to make others thing we promote lawlessness. Barney Web can not keep the law of Moses and surely not 613 laws that the legalist Jew said was to be followed. Jesus stomped that silliness to shreds.
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#424 Jul 15, 2014
William wrote:
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Selling out everything you own and giving the proceeds to the poor would be considered useful, according to "Master Yeshua".
The rich young ruler there in Matthew's account sure needed you around to help explain away how that Jesus "wasn't really" telling him to sell out everything he owned. That's not what Jesus "actually meant" when he told him that.
What He said is easy enough to understand. The man asked what commandments to keep to see eternal life, Jesus told him - directing him to the ten commandments. Then, adding to what the ten commandments said, He individually told him that if he wanted to be perfect and have his treasures in heaven - what he should do. Those were two different things, the latter being additional to the regular means of keeping the commandments of God.

You really need to take His teaching uprightly to what He said.

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