Who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses

Who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses

Created by Barnsweb on Aug 11, 2013

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Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#243 Aug 29, 2013
Of all the authors in our NT, only Paul disagreed at all with what Jesus taught.
Can one testify against the word of God and be found true? Of course not! God will always be found true! Trouble with Paul is he spoke out of both sides of his mouth and we need to prove our love to Jesus by being faithful to keep His commandments as He proved His love for the Father by keeping His commandments and fulfilling all He had to do for us and that God would be true to His promises.
Did Jesus say 'My gospel?', or did He in fact say:'My teachings are not My own, but of the Father who sent Me.'(paraphrased)
Did any of the Twelve say 'My gospel'?
Did the thirteenth claimed apostle say 'My gospel'? That he worked harder than all the Twelve? and a number of other derogatory statements of them or those who continued to keep the commandments they were given - and Paul said they were the ones with the 'weak' faith? Did Paul say the Law was nailed to the cross? Did Paul say all things are lawful? Did Paul make doing right to be a matter of personal conscience instead of the commandments of God?
Even 'If any one will not work, neither let him eat,' is against the Torah. What if the poor soul is so in need of food they couldn't do a days work without some food?!
No, I don't fear Paul's threats in the least, because I know the Holy Spirit didn't inspire all his teachings or his 'my gospel'.
The gospel was given once for all time - by Jesus Christ - not Paul - in spite of his claims that Jesus gave him special revelations. Who else received special inspiration from an angel of light in Arabia? That should be a clue as well, if you have an open mind to being a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#244 Aug 29, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> We are always in sin. We are all going to die. "The wages of sin is DEATH". Nobody is doing God's will, and I mean nobody.
That isn't what God, Moses, or Jesus said. Too bad Evangelicals have no doctrine about being faithful to Jesus and doing what He taught we are to do if we love Him as He demands.

If you were a disciple of Jesus you would know better than to believe what you said from the one you disciple from...your teacher.'If you abide in My word, ye are My disciples indeed. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free.' One thing it's freed me from is fear to disbelieve Paul.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#245 Aug 29, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> We are always in sin. We are all going to die. "The wages of sin is DEATH". Nobody is doing God's will, and I mean nobody.
You sound a lot like William...
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#247 Aug 29, 2013
The H.R. Movement has been fairly successful in discrediting the Greek New Testament and replacing it with the so-called Hebrew/Aramaic originals. This places the final authority in regards to interpreting scripture in the hands of it's rabbinic teachers. Once achieved, the next step is to belittle the name of Jesus.
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#248 Aug 29, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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That isn't what God, Moses, or Jesus said. Too bad Evangelicals have no doctrine about being faithful to Jesus and doing what He taught we are to do if we love Him as He demands.
If you were a disciple of Jesus you would know better than to believe what you said from the one you disciple from...your teacher.'If you abide in My word, ye are My disciples indeed. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free.' One thing it's freed me from is fear to disbelieve Paul.
Nobody has learned what is truth, If it was so, we wouldn't be arguing with each other that which word is God and which word was not. Truth will be given, when the liar is not allowed to interfer when we learn TRUTH. Then when Truth is given and the Liar is back, the FINAL JUDGEMENT take place for going with the Liar when you knew the TRUTH. For the folks who study and read the book no explaination is needed to explain.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#249 Aug 29, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Nobody has learned what is truth, If it was so, we wouldn't be arguing with each other that which word is God and which word was not. Truth will be given, when the liar is not allowed to interfer when we learn TRUTH. Then when Truth is given and the Liar is back, the FINAL JUDGEMENT take place for going with the Liar when you knew the TRUTH. For the folks who study and read the book no explaination is needed to explain.
I am not sure I understand you here. However, I agree that the deceiver is alive with the power to kill steal and destroy. He is still at work in the world. There are some who do not believe he still has power in the earth.
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#250 Aug 29, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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I am not sure I understand you here. However, I agree that the deceiver is alive with the power to kill steal and destroy. He is still at work in the world. There are some who do not believe he still has power in the earth.
That is what I mean, the Truth has not been reveal to us from he who has no name, God,The Lord.
Dave P

Winder, GA

#251 Aug 29, 2013
The "my gospel" thing is greatly overblown.

55-7.

Paul uses gospel or the gospel or the gospel of God or Christ 55 times in His writings. Only 7 times does he say anything about my gospel, and at least once, it is "our" gospel, not mine.

BW better hurry. The Day of Atonement is coming. Maybe his sins will be rolled forward another year.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#252 Aug 30, 2013
Really, Dave, you could try to be a bit more civil and reasonable by the truth Jesus spoke. I'm not in any effort to become a Jew, it's a matter of discipleship and obeying Jesus.

The more I read, the more the truth seems that the Easter Orthodox is the only Church that can trace its roots right back to the original Church in Jerusalem with its original leadership. The RCC parted ways with the Orthodox in teachings heretical to the teachings of Jesus around 1000 AD, and about 1054 the Eastern Orthodox branded the RCC as heretics over some doctrines only from Paul - original sin, predestination, and one peculiarly their own - purgatory.

Two wrongs cannot make a right. The matters of the truth of God in Christ cannot be resolved like a simple math problem of two negatives making a positive. RCC seizing pretended 'authority' from the rest of Christianity, nor Luther believing Paul over everyone else in the Scripture cannot prove either true. Those who are true prove they are true by 'abiding in the word of Christ'- not going beyond His word, and not adding to His word either - but by careful observation of His word to do what He taught and belief that He is who He said He is. It's about faithfulness to Him, not 'becoming a Jew'. I hoped you had more sense about you than just taking nonsense cheap shots.

Do you consider your faith and desire to believe and be saved to be a cheap matter, or a matter that deserves some seriousness?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#253 Aug 30, 2013
Dave P wrote:
The "my gospel" thing is greatly overblown.
55-7.
Paul uses gospel or the gospel or the gospel of God or Christ 55 times in His writings. Only 7 times does he say anything about my gospel, and at least once, it is "our" gospel, not mine.
BW better hurry. The Day of Atonement is coming. Maybe his sins will be rolled forward another year.
As noted before, Paul spoke out of both sides of his mouth. Rather than choosing which thing he said to believe, it is far more reasonable to just check on any particular matter to see what Jesus had to say about it- He wasn't inconsistent and claimed to have given the gospel of the kingdom to the twelve, not Paul.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#254 Aug 30, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure I understand you here. However, I agree that the deceiver is alive with the power to kill steal and destroy. He is still at work in the world. There are some who do not believe he still has power in the earth.
Amen Bobby:

He will be until Jesus returns.

For the last 500 years he had been doing a good job splitting up the Kingdom of God.

20
“I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
21
so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

This is turn has shown world that just maybe in their minds that God did not send Jesus.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#255 Aug 30, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Amen Bobby:
He will be until Jesus returns.
For the last 500 years he had been doing a good job splitting up the Kingdom of God.
20
“I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
21
so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.
This is turn has shown world that just maybe in their minds that God did not send Jesus.
Thanks for using the scripture. I would like to add that satan has been spreading his lies a lot longer than 500 years.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#256 Aug 30, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Thanks for using the scripture. I would like to add that satan has been spreading his lies a lot longer than 500 years.
Of course he has, since Jesus was alive. The Church pretty much beat him back for the first 1500 years and is still battling him.

This Protestant heresy is just another battle for the Church. Is is dying off though. It has been the longest one, because of all of the morphing of Protestantism.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#257 Aug 30, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Of course he has, since Jesus was alive. The Church pretty much beat him back for the first 1500 years and is still battling him.
This Protestant heresy is just another battle for the Church. Is is dying off though. It has been the longest one, because of all of the morphing of Protestantism.
Mike you are missing the big picture. Luke says this: "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.

How was things in the days of Noah? Luke records it this way: "People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all".

I believe that every church in the world has already come under attack. The devil knows his time is short-rev 12:12
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#258 Aug 30, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Really, Dave, you could try to be a bit more civil and reasonable by the truth Jesus spoke. I'm not in any effort to become a Jew, it's a matter of discipleship and obeying Jesus.
The more I read, the more the truth seems that the Easter Orthodox is the only Church that can trace its roots right back to the original Church in Jerusalem with its original leadership. The RCC parted ways with the Orthodox in teachings heretical to the teachings of Jesus around 1000 AD, and about 1054 the Eastern Orthodox branded the RCC as heretics over some doctrines only from Paul - original sin, predestination, and one peculiarly their own - purgatory.
Two wrongs cannot make a right. The matters of the truth of God in Christ cannot be resolved like a simple math problem of two negatives making a positive. RCC seizing pretended 'authority' from the rest of Christianity, nor Luther believing Paul over everyone else in the Scripture cannot prove either true. Those who are true prove they are true by 'abiding in the word of Christ'- not going beyond His word, and not adding to His word either - but by careful observation of His word to do what He taught and belief that He is who He said He is. It's about faithfulness to Him, not 'becoming a Jew'. I hoped you had more sense about you than just taking nonsense cheap shots.
Do you consider your faith and desire to believe and be saved to be a cheap matter, or a matter that deserves some seriousness?
Nonsense cheap shots? What's left for you to do to become a Jew? You reject all NT scripture, except the gospel most think was written by a Jew for the Jews. You accept theories that the HRM promotes as truth. You reject the idea of a new covenant, instead calling it the renewed one. Like the Jews of old you reject the messengers the Father sent to you. You add up all the commands of Moses, and Jesus as well. You have to be around 1400 or so. You played with the idea of calling Jesus by His Jewish name. What happened to that btw? You tell others they are least in the kingdom for not keeping the sabbath; you desire to observe the Jewish holy days. You also made mention at least once of considering to eat "kosher", as if some foods are still unclean.

Nonsense cheap shots? No, calling it like I see it.

PS- much of what you claim to be Paul's false teaching is actually false doctrine that others have interpreted from him. Luther is a fine example.

Adding or going beyond? How about taking away from it?
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#259 Aug 30, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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As noted before, Paul spoke out of both sides of his mouth. Rather than choosing which thing he said to believe, it is far more reasonable to just check on any particular matter to see what Jesus had to say about it- He wasn't inconsistent and claimed to have given the gospel of the kingdom to the twelve, not Paul.
Perhaps you should actually read Paul and realize his teaching is in perfect accord with the Master, not in contradiction to Him.

Some of us have checked, and haven't become reeds shaken in the wind by the false prophets out there.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#260 Aug 30, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Nonsense cheap shots? What's left for you to do to become a Jew? You reject all NT scripture, except the gospel most think was written by a Jew for the Jews. You accept theories that the HRM promotes as truth. You reject the idea of a new covenant, instead calling it the renewed one. Like the Jews of old you reject the messengers the Father sent to you. You add up all the commands of Moses, and Jesus as well. You have to be around 1400 or so. You played with the idea of calling Jesus by His Jewish name. What happened to that btw? You tell others they are least in the kingdom for not keeping the sabbath; you desire to observe the Jewish holy days. You also made mention at least once of considering to eat "kosher", as if some foods are still unclean.
Nonsense cheap shots? No, calling it like I see it.
PS- much of what you claim to be Paul's false teaching is actually false doctrine that others have interpreted from him. Luther is a fine example.
Adding or going beyond? How about taking away from it?
It's a matter of record that the earliest heresies sprouted from Pauls writings. They were out of the picture from about 400 AD till Martin Luther resurrected the heresies. Have you ever read 'Against Heresies' that was mainly addressed to deal with the Marcionites? Sounds like you haven't. No Orthodox Church - Roman or otherwise, accepted anything Paul said as doctrine. Doctrine was the Law, Prophets and the Lord Jesus Christ. It was that way until about 1000 when the RCC claimed authority over everyone else, and no one out of Roman control cared a bit about their pretended power grab.

As a matter of fact, I'd venture to say you'd gain as much as I did to read "Jesus' Words Only". It has a rich accounting of Church history and doctrines... and thoroughly addresses what Jesus taught and what Paul taught.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#261 Aug 30, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Perhaps you should actually read Paul and realize his teaching is in perfect accord with the Master, not in contradiction to Him.
Some of us have checked, and haven't become reeds shaken in the wind by the false prophets out there.
I'm not alone in my view. Quite a few early Church authorities and scholars arrived at the same points I did, for the same reasons. Anyone who says Paul didn't contradict what Jesus taught the gospel to be has studied so little that they don't realize the difference - the lack of discernment is from a lack of knowledge. God says His people perish for lack of knowledge. Jesus condemns those who believe a lie. Do you actually know the truth He taught? If you did, you would not have made the above comment - your ignorance is screaming loudly therein.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#262 Aug 30, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not alone in my view. Quite a few early Church authorities and scholars arrived at the same points I did, for the same reasons. Anyone who says Paul didn't contradict what Jesus taught the gospel to be has studied so little that they don't realize the difference - the lack of discernment is from a lack of knowledge. God says His people perish for lack of knowledge. Jesus condemns those who believe a lie. Do you actually know the truth He taught? If you did, you would not have made the above comment - your ignorance is screaming loudly therein.
Instead of dismissing Paul, maybe you should re-evaluate your inconsistent doctrine.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#263 Aug 30, 2013
Consistent doctrine is holding to the teachings/doctrine of Jesus Christ - according to God, the prophets, Jesus Christ and the twelve apostles. It's Paul who is inconsistent with His doctrine.

Did Paul teach all things are lawful?

Your eternal destination depends on the faith Jesus said you have to believe and do, not the hollow faith that merely claims 'it is finished' at the cross means you don't have to do whatever He said or refuse to hear Him.

You cannot serve two masters, Jesus said so. You cannot follow both Paul and Jesus. Jesus put no apostle over the others - all were equally subject to His words as we are today.

Since the Hebrew Matthew is what Peter and the apostles considered 'canon' in their day, I just got the latest on the lost Hebrew edition that was put together from quoted made by the earliest members of the Church...should be an interesting read.

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