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Jun 10, 2013
 
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Would you clarify, please, I'm really trying to get where your coming from. We can't be happy unless we are efficient, I just don't see it. I know that leaves me wide open for sarcasm, but I'm trying to understand your logic.
A man might want to turn himself into a woman but look how much trouble he has to go to to get there and even with the help of modern medicine it is still a failure. We were created as male and female for the purpose of replenishing the earth not to make some twisted mind feel better about himself. And yes, there are plenty of twisted minds out there and some of them claim to be christian. Without the bible man makes his own rules and imposes them on others according to his own will.

When we are doing what we were created to do we are more likely to be happy.
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Jun 10, 2013
 
#4-If God created me, he blessed me with an ever-churning brain that forever pursues knowledge and reasoning. I am questioning his existence because my brain was designed to do it, designed by him if what you say is true.

Indeed we were created with free will, God does not force anyone to believe in him, if he did we would be robots. We are slaves to the master we serve by choice-that is the freedom we all have.

We have discussed on topix about how a slave often feels more comfortable on the plantation because he does not feel free or is more comfortable not taking responsibility for his own life. Christians are willing slaves to their master-God. Not choosing God as the God of this world, we by default choose satan as our god. Two directly opposing systems.
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Jun 10, 2013
 
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>...no belief system is as destructive as Christianity.
Where does godless communism rank on your list?
Dave P

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Jun 10, 2013
 
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Come on, I stated mono-theism is destructive. Please...if you are going to respond, read the post. And since when are Catholics not Christians, they are followers of Christ, aren't they? Do you have a personal standard of the definition of a Christian? I'm just curious? Are Christians not expansionists? Be fruitful and multiply? Fill the earth and over run it, then claim a rapture is coming just before we completely poison the planet? Christianity goes against the laws regarding the community of life, and claims to be above the law of limited competition. Natural laws that every species on earth adheres to except mankind. But not even all of mankind, there are still just a few ancient cultures surviving today, who live by these laws. But they are being forced out by Christian/agriculturists. And yet you can't figure out why your culture is failing, well it's right in front of you, you're just lacking perspective.
I did read the post pearl. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all monotheistic religions. If you simply wanted to accuse Christianity, then just use 'Christianity' because monotheistic takes in more than Christianity.

*Since when aren't catholics Christians? Read the other threads around here. Catholics pretty much reject others as Christians as well. Huge differences in doctrine and belief.

*Are Christians not expansionists? Be fruitful and multiply? Fill the earth and over run it, then claim a rapture is coming just before we completely poison the planet?

This command was given to all mankind in the garden of Eden. That was thousands of years before Christ ever set foot on earth. Claim a rapture? Pearl, would it shock you to believe that many Christians do not believe in such a rapture theory?

The culture is failing because mankind has "evolved", gotten more intelligent, spread the earth? Should we all return to being hunters and gatherers, and give up our electric, running water, septic, jobs, monetary systems, etc? Go primitive?

Do you know the life expectancy of 16th century Europe? Should we go back to that? Or even ancient Israel?

And "Christianity" is to blame for all of this? Pearl, perhaps you are lacking perspective as well.
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Jun 10, 2013
 
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Where does godless communism rank on your list?
At least 5 or 6 million Jews, 50 million Chinese, who knows how many from Laos, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, and Central America say godless communism should rank pretty high.

The Jews come from mainly Soviet Russia during the holodomor (death by starvation).
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Jun 10, 2013
 
Dave P wrote:
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At least 5 or 6 million Jews, 50 million Chinese, who knows how many from Laos, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, and Central America say godless communism should rank pretty high.
The Jews come from mainly Soviet Russia during the holodomor (death by starvation).
And all in the span of less than a hundred years.

Iím amazed at how Stalinís Holdomor gets virtually no attention while Hitlerís Holocaust does.
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Jun 10, 2013
 
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And all in the span of less than a hundred years.
Iím amazed at how Stalinís Holdomor gets virtually no attention while Hitlerís Holocaust does.
I wonder the same thing. You have any thoughts?

And yeah-communists move quick.
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Jun 10, 2013
 
Dave P wrote:
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I wonder the same thing. You have any thoughts?
And yeah-communists move quick.
For one thing, he was our ally in WWII. People also forget that when Hitler invaded western Poland that Stalin invaded and took the east per their agreement beforehand. Then he invaded Lithuanian, Latvia and Estonia. In politics and in our own personal lives we tend to downplay our friendsí weaknesses and trumpet their strengthsóafter all, they are a reflection of us to a degree.

Another theory I have is politically incorrect, but Stalin didnít kill 6 million Jews the way Hitler did. The Holodomor was more broadly targeted at Ukrainians as a whole and probably not toward the Jews in particular, though Iím sure many Jews died due to the large Jewish population there.
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Jun 10, 2013
 
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For one thing, he was our ally in WWII. People also forget that when Hitler invaded western Poland that Stalin invaded and took the east per their agreement beforehand. Then he invaded Lithuanian, Latvia and Estonia. In politics and in our own personal lives we tend to downplay our friendsí weaknesses and trumpet their strengthsóafter all, they are a reflection of us to a degree.
Another theory I have is politically incorrect, but Stalin didnít kill 6 million Jews the way Hitler did. The Holodomor was more broadly targeted at Ukrainians as a whole and probably not toward the Jews in particular, though Iím sure many Jews died due to the large Jewish population there.
Have to agree with your thoughts. Point number one is where I was at; point 2- I'd say you are right. For lack of a better way to say it, mass extermination camps are more "glamorous" than a subtle starvation exercise. The sad fact is that those Ukrainians produced enough grain in that time that none needed to die.

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Jun 10, 2013
 
pearl wrote:
<quoted text> Christianity goes against the laws regarding the community of life, and claims to be above the law of limited competition. Natural laws that every species on earth adheres to except mankind. But not even all of mankind, there are still just a few ancient cultures surviving today, who live by these laws. But they are being forced out by Christian/agriculturists.
Explain this in more detail, please.

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#171
Jun 10, 2013
 
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>You got it backwards. Christians aren't bad per se, it's Christianity as a movement that is corrupt. An example; Be fruitful and multiply, populate the planet to the point of famine, then send in the missionaries to feed the poor so they can increase the population, why can't you see how wrong that is in the first place?
I agree that the Earth is over-populated, but I don't see why you would blame Christianity for that. China has the largest population in the world, however most Chinese people do not claim Christianity - and the government even places restrictions on reproduction to control the problem.. How did China become so overpopulated without being influenced by Christianity - if Christianity is to be blamed for overpopulation?

Feeding people who are hungry (the "poor") is an act of kindness - how are Christians corrupt by doing this?

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#172
Jun 10, 2013
 
Barnsweb wrote:
I have to laugh a bit when someone thinks they know God doesn't exist, or even when they ask someone who believes in God to give reason to believe He exists as Scripture says He does.
How about one of the accusers of that He doesn't exist prove that He doesn't exist? Proof, or reasons?
There is no proof. The debate about the existence or non-existence of God is one that is never settled since the "proof" on both sides is: belief. You believe - I do not. There is no other argument that supports one answer or the other - I believe this and you believe that. Who is correct? I do not know for certain that you are wrong - but you do not know for certain that I am wrong. Unless you just believe it.

I am happy in my non-belief, but I have been inspired by what I have read here and so, I want the conversation to continue. If I do not back away from the issue: is God real, the conversation will reach a stalemate and end. At that point, I will have learned nothing.

I am trying to rationalize how you might stay true to your faith, however, support what is ethical in our society. I also want you Christians to realize that sometimes you are viewing the world through Christ-goggles and you are not acknowledging reality for what it really is. Even though we have different religious beliefs, shouldn't we agree about what is real in the world and about what can be done to cope with the reality that we share?

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#173
Jun 10, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
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You are right we are to blame even Christians because we often choose the wrong paths.
When the Christianís mind turns to nature, his heart turns toward God in worship and praise. But when the unbelieving mind turns to nature, it turns from God. On Earth Day, we as christians often refer to it as the "church of environmentalism" because the unbelieving mind sees nature as a god. We see nature as the creation of/by God and in it we see his nature. It is all about how we view life and the lens we see it through.
I am glad you mentioned this - one tool that I used to support my non-believe was that I would think about Christian ideas and replace "God" with "Earth" or "Nature". God is truth - or, Nature is truth? God provides for us - or, the Earth provides for us? God provides guidance - or, Nature provides guidance? God determines laws - or, Nature determines laws? You give God all the credit for the Earth's works.

The main difference between trusting God and trusting Nature is: emotions. Nature doesn't love us - Nature just is. A human need for affection and care is a motivator for belief in God. I simply meet my emotional needs other ways and so, to me, God is not needed. The Earth is enough.

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A man might want to turn himself into a woman but look how much trouble he has to go to to get there and even with the help of modern medicine it is still a failure. We were created as male and female for the purpose of replenishing the earth not to make some twisted mind feel better about himself. And yes, there are plenty of twisted minds out there and some of them claim to be christian. Without the bible man makes his own rules and imposes them on others according to his own will.
When we are doing what we were created to do we are more likely to be happy.
"When we are doing what we were created to do we are more likely to be happy." My point exactly - when gay people are allowed to just be gay, they will be able to live honestly which is how I advise people to achieve happiness - just be honest to yourself and all others and happiness will follow.

If a person has an operation to change their gender, that person must feel that their mind and their body are in constant disagreement and so they will adjust their body to satisfy their mind. You may say that the person's mind needs to be adjusted rather than their body, but consider other people who have body altering operations. Breast enhancements or reductions, tummy tucks, face lifts - or more seriously, separation of conjoined twins, correction for a cleft plate, removal of tumors and cysts, etc. These people are also making changes to their bodies, and so: they are being "untrue" to their actual form - but these operations are socially acceptable and a sex change operation is taboo.

If a Christian man were to castrate himself to ensure chastity so that he might best honor God, wouldn't he also be mutilating the body that God intended for him to have?

The irony is that Christian ideas encourage sex change operations. Perhaps there is a Christian who is distraught because he is in love with someone of the same gender. How can he be faithful to God and also marry the man he loves? Sex change - it solves his religious AND legal issues. After a sex change, he would be considered normal. I suggest that he may not have chosen that route if not pressured by his religion and the law to be "normal" - I suggest that two men who are married to one another ARE normal.

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Jun 10, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
#4-If God created me, he blessed me with an ever-churning brain that forever pursues knowledge and reasoning. I am questioning his existence because my brain was designed to do it, designed by him if what you say is true.
Indeed we were created with free will, God does not force anyone to believe in him, if he did we would be robots. We are slaves to the master we serve by choice-that is the freedom we all have.
We have discussed on topix about how a slave often feels more comfortable on the plantation because he does not feel free or is more comfortable not taking responsibility for his own life. Christians are willing slaves to their master-God. Not choosing God as the God of this world, we by default choose satan as our god. Two directly opposing systems.
Bobby, no, you do not volunteer to be a slave - a slave is not offered the choice of being a slave or not. There are NO slaves who choose slavery over free living - slaves are forced, otherwise, they would be volunteers.

Why would a slave not want to leave a plantation and life of slavery? It is the only life they knew. Imagine if the government was so gracious as to allow you "freedom" and you were rewarded by being sent down the road with nothing but your clothes. Have you ever known any group of people to band together and create a plantation so that they might go back to being slaves? No. Being a slave is a terrible way to be treated and even within the Christian faith, I disagree that God would ever treat you like a slave.

You are a servant - by choice. You submit your free-will to God and allow your actions to serve his purposes. You are still using your free-will to make the choice to follow God.

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Where does godless communism rank on your list?
I was once accused of being a communist - I asked: like Russia? Yes, of course, hippies in communes are like Russia. Really?

I then realized that I didn't know what communism was. I had been taught that the Russians and the "reds" were just awful - their citizens just stood in line all day to get some toilet paper or beans. And besides, Russia wants to blow us up. I thought communism was when the upper crust lived lavishly and everyone else was dirt poor. Guess what? That's not real communism.

Communism is: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. Also, Communism is: a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commun... )

It is possible to support communism while also not supporting Communism. It is in this same way that the term marriage can mean one thing in relation to the Bible and something different in relation to law. Word play.
Bobby

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Jun 10, 2013
 
Asm, is there anyone you love and if there is how would you describe that love and how would you know that it is really love? Would you lay down your life for someone you love.
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Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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There is no proof. The debate about the existence or non-existence of God is one that is never settled since the "proof" on both sides is: belief. You believe - I do not. There is no other argument that supports one answer or the other - I believe this and you believe that. Who is correct? I do not know for certain that you are wrong - but you do not know for certain that I am wrong. Unless you just believe it.
I am happy in my non-belief, but I have been inspired by what I have read here and so, I want the conversation to continue. If I do not back away from the issue: is God real, the conversation will reach a stalemate and end. At that point, I will have learned nothing.
I am trying to rationalize how you might stay true to your faith, however, support what is ethical in our society. I also want you Christians to realize that sometimes you are viewing the world through Christ-goggles and you are not acknowledging reality for what it really is. Even though we have different religious beliefs, shouldn't we agree about what is real in the world and about what can be done to cope with the reality that we share?
My agnostic friend will acknowledge the need to not infringe on others beliefs, and I respect him for that and we have numerous discussions on life, purpose and meaning of life - always respectful and always of interest.

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Jun 11, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
Asm, is there anyone you love and if there is how would you describe that love and how would you know that it is really love? Would you lay down your life for someone you love.
Of course I love people! It would be much quicker for me to list the people that I do not love - compassion flows from me and I do not stop it from getting on anyone near me. I love YOU, Bobby, even though I barely know anything about you and it would take a great, deliberate act from you to prevent my love for you.

I know this is not what you meant - but I want you to understand that my religious beliefs did not zap the love from me or was a result of not enough love. You may judge Atheists as bitter and hard - some ARE - but also, some Christians are bitter and hard because their life experiences have taught them that loving people makes you vulnerable. I would suggest that it is TRUSTING people, not loving them, that makes you vulnerable.

But I know the love you speak of - the best example I have personally would be my husband. One might say that the love for my parents and my children is a result of nature, but the love for my husband was nothing more than a choice. I chose to accept his love, he chose to accept mine, we made a clear and deliberate choice to co-exist and depend on one another and we have both been faithful to it. I have been married for 17 years.

Would I lay down my life? I am reminded of "The Hunger Games" when one person was chosen to fight until death and that person's sister stepped up to take her place. Ugh - that's a bad example, since my husband's odds of winning such a battle are so much stronger than mine - he would never allow me to take his place. You should give me an example of how I would have the opportunity to lay down my life as an act of love..

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My agnostic friend will acknowledge the need to not infringe on others beliefs, and I respect him for that and we have numerous discussions on life, purpose and meaning of life - always respectful and always of interest.
Well, that makes me wonder: am I falsely claiming Atheism when Agnostic would better describe my beliefs?

Wikipedia says...

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

I agree.

Agnosticism is the view that the existence or non-existence of any deity is unknown and possibly unknowable.

I agree.

Agnostic atheism, also called atheistic agnosticism, is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact. The agnostic atheist may be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who believes that one or more deities exist but claims that the existence or nonexistence of such is unknown or cannot be known

I agree.

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