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Dave P

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Historical Christian doctrines "held without controversy" for thousands of years.

That line alone is enough to throw the whole quote out. I don't think any of these were held without controversy for hundreds of years, let alone 2000.
Mike Peterson

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Dave P wrote:
Historical Christian doctrines "held without controversy" for thousands of years.
That line alone is enough to throw the whole quote out. I don't think any of these were held without controversy for hundreds of years, let alone 2000.
Wrong because of all those were heresies. Even the Protesters today wouldn't agree with them..

Of course you dont agree with the original protesters. You only agree with yourself,(and sometimes with Bobby.)
Dave P

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Wrong because of all those were heresies. Even the Protesters today wouldn't agree with them..
Of course you dont agree with the original protesters. You only agree with yourself,(and sometimes with Bobby.)
I agree with BW quite a bit; Randy (JesusCreed) and I are very similar in beliefs.

I agree- baptismal regeneration, the perpetual virginity and assumption of Mary and a lot of that other stuff you mentioned is heresy.

Oh wait. You believe that don't you. Oops...
Mike Peterson

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Jul 14, 2013
 
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I agree with BW quite a bit; Randy (JesusCreed) and I are very similar in beliefs.
I agree- baptismal regeneration, the perpetual virginity and assumption of Mary and a lot of that other stuff you mentioned is heresy.
Oh wait. You believe that don't you. Oops...
Dave : "I agree quite a bit ,similar. Exactly proves my point. And I am wrong all 3 of you come from the COC?

You even agree with Catholics sometimes.

Salvation is not a game of horseshoes. At least for me.

Jesus left us 1 Truth. You have part of it

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Jul 14, 2013
 
You might get 3 or 4 prots to agree on what color curtains to hang in front of the water tank but that's about it!
Barnsweb

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Jul 14, 2013
 
Mark, the issue is to determine if 'we' as both individual or corporate bodies agree with what Jesus taught being the truth we must hear and do or else don't bother calling Him 'Lord'.

He said it is about being hearers and doers of what He taught... Not what anyone else taught - what He taught.

Can you grasp that?

If this is the standard - His word, as Matthew, James, John and Peter all agree to this standard in their Gospel accounts and Epistles.'The word' James spoke of in chapter one is the 'word' Jesus spoke, and James virtually quotes Jesus in his comments.

It isn't about me, it's about what He said. I merely point out this fact of the faith He taught.
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You might get 3 or 4 prots to agree on what color curtains to hang in front of the water tank but that's about it!
You're just full of wisdom and discernment. At least the prots never went around saying follow the Pope or die:-)

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You're just full of wisdom and discernment. At least the prots never went around saying follow the Pope or die:-)
Ah the gnostic oracle of wisdom one-man-church wakes up! Ever hear of Henry VIII? Follow the prot King and head of the Church of England or die! And lots and lots died truly horrible deaths.
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MarkEden wrote:
You might get 3 or 4 prots to agree on what color curtains to hang in front of the water tank but that's about it!
I talked to one of our former catholics today, she told me not to pay to much attention to you guys, most catholics do not believe the mainstream catholic doctrine anyway.
Dave P

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I talked to one of our former catholics today, she told me not to pay to much attention to you guys, most catholics do not believe the mainstream catholic doctrine anyway.
I think a lot of people are honestly like this-not just catholics. Many don't buy the coc doctrines even when they go there; some Baptists here don't fully buy into Baptist doctrine; I think attendance at congregations are still like they used to be- whatever is close, convenient, or know people there.

It seems fewer and fewer are dogmatic about which church they attend, and 100% doctrinal agreement isn't something that much value seems to be placed in. Perhaps the "laymen" have it figured out better than the "theologians"?
Mike Peterson

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I talked to one of our former catholics today, she told me not to pay to much attention to you guys, most catholics do not believe the mainstream catholic doctrine anyway.
That why she is an fallen away Catholic. She wants to pick and choose like Protestantism does. The Church will never change its doctrine on faith and morals to keep people in the pews.

But that is also what has been attracting all of the Protestant Pastors in the last few years.

2000 years of the Truth. Same teaching on faith and morals, never changing.

Pick part of the Truth so she will feel good about what she does.

What did Jesus followers tell him. That teaching is hard. So don't believe that teaching and it is not hard anymore.

When I was a Baptist someone would make the 'altar call' and never see them again. Once saved always saved.

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Any of you have hoodie worship yesterday?
Mike Peterson

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A Fallacy of Protestantism.

"I know that Protestants are ignorant of Catholicity, but are not Catholics ignorant of Protestantism?"

Very often. But there is this difference. The Catholic who does not understand Protestantism does not know the wrong thing. The Protestant who does not know Catholicism does not know the right thing. I personally know both, having been brought up in Protestantism, which I renounced in favor of Catholicism.
Bobby

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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That why she is an fallen away Catholic. She wants to pick and choose like Protestantism does. The Church will never change its doctrine on faith and morals to keep people in the pews.
But that is also what has been attracting all of the Protestant Pastors in the last few years.
2000 years of the Truth. Same teaching on faith and morals, never changing.
Pick part of the Truth so she will feel good about what she does.
What did Jesus followers tell him. That teaching is hard. So don't believe that teaching and it is not hard anymore.
When I was a Baptist someone would make the 'altar call' and never see them again. Once saved always saved.
Mike, this makes to point as to why we so many people have left the catholic church just like martin luther did-because it is corrupt.
Mike Peterson

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Mike, this makes to point as to why we so many people have left the catholic church just like martin luther did-because it is corrupt.
Wrong. They leave because the teaching has not changed to "fit the times" like the Protestants have, or they were not taught that faith correctly or didn't care to learn.

She fits perfectly into John 6:66. "That teaching is hard."

They go to easy teaching. Believe what you want to feel good about your sins.
Dave P

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We could have a real debate about what "easy teaching" really is. Catholicism is really easy- get poured on, confirmed, show up to mass, don't do really bad stuff, go through purgatory, game over.

What's so hard about that? Plus you're just as guilty as OSAS- you have once catholic always catholic. There are no doubt catholics who haven't seen the inside of a catholic church in years.

I like the wording used also- we haven't changed teaching on FAITH AND MORALS for 2000 years. Doesn't mean we ain't changed on other stuff. Plus, doesn't mean we always acted with faith and morals either.

A lot of what Mike points out is opinion, not fact; plus, what he does point out is often RELIGION and HEART problems- not cath vs. prot.
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Dave P wrote:
We could have a real debate about what "easy teaching" really is. Catholicism is really easy- get poured on, confirmed, show up to mass, don't do really bad stuff, go through purgatory, game over.
What's so hard about that? Plus you're just as guilty as OSAS- you have once catholic always catholic. There are no doubt catholics who haven't seen the inside of a catholic church in years.
I like the wording used also- we haven't changed teaching on FAITH AND MORALS for 2000 years. Doesn't mean we ain't changed on other stuff. Plus, doesn't mean we always acted with faith and morals either.
A lot of what Mike points out is opinion, not fact; plus, what he does point out is often RELIGION and HEART problems- not cath vs. prot.
Easy. Protestantism. Say this made up prayer not in the Bible and you will go to heaven.

Things that are not faith and morals. Traditions with a small t.

Eating meat on Fridays during lent.
The Rosary
women wearing head coverings
ect.

These things have changed. Not about faith and morals.

For example. All Chirstians before 1930 that that contraception was immoral and a sin.

Every Protestant suddenly decided that God was wrong on this one. They changed what morality was.

Taking chemicals to prevent life was a terrible sin before 1930 and okay after.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Easy. Protestantism. Say this made up prayer not in the Bible and you will go to heaven.
Things that are not faith and morals. Traditions with a small t.
Eating meat on Fridays during lent.
The Rosary
women wearing head coverings
ect.
These things have changed. Not about faith and morals.
For example. All Chirstians before 1930 that that contraception was immoral and a sin.
Every Protestant suddenly decided that God was wrong on this one. They changed what morality was.
Taking chemicals to prevent life was a terrible sin before 1930 and okay after.
Lots of so called prots don't buy the sinners prayer either Mike. Wrong tree to bark up.

Having faith and morals not such a big deal either? And, Tradition vs tradition- does the good book explain such a difference as big T and little t?

Contraception- now it's about taking chemicals? Does that mean good old condoms are ok to use? I don't recall Jesus telling the women of His day not to take the pill, or telling the men not to wear Trojans. Don't think Moses did back in the day. The story you use to justify your stance doesn't teach what your group tells you it does.
Dave P

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Do as I say, not as I do, comes to mind immediately.

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Mike, this makes to point as to why we so many people have left the catholic church just like martin luther did-because it is corrupt.
So why aren't you a Lutheran if you think he's so swell? And by the way Luther did not leave on his on accord...he was excommunicated.

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