Roman Catholic Doctrinal evolution

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#103 Jul 29, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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I am not familiar with Greek Orthodox positions. I do know there are ongoing dialogs between the East and the West. It took over 1,000 years for the schism to occur and it may take that long for reconciliation. My gut feeling is the current Muslim expansion using terror will bring the two much closer and that the differences are primarily ethnic, linguistic and political. Numerous Eastern Rites are already in communion with Rome. Other than that all I know is that Orthodox churches are beautiful, the music is exquisite, the icons and the incense are heavenly, the vestments make Catholics look like poor relations and there are almost never any pews.
Now come on you being the History buff you claim are not familiar with the Greek Orthodox?

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#104 Jul 29, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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The Bible is perfect because the Church made it so. You just can't get it in your head and come to grips with the fact that the Church did not suddenly stop when the last Apostle died or the period was placed after last Amen in the Book of Revelation. The Church was not frozen in time and it was left with only the barest guidelines for organization and liturgies. During those early centuries the Church had to deal not only with expanding into multiple locations and nations it had to deal with unimaginable persecution. Fortunately, we know what they did, why they did it and how they did it. We also know nothing remotely like the Baptist church and its spawn the CofC existed then.
When was the Church formed?

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#105 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The Bible is perfect, the inspired and inerrant written word of God, only because the Church says it is. The Church came before the Bible.
The Church is perfect, the people in it aren't, except when the Pope speaks ex Cathedra.
When did the church come into existence?

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#106 Jul 29, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Now come on you being the History buff you claim are not familiar with the Greek Orthodox?
I told you about all I know off the top of my head. I see no reason to go to Wikipedia or elsewhere and cut and paste like so many do here. One thing I am watching is the demand by muslims to turn the Hagia Sophia, now a museum and once the architectural crown of Christianity, back into a mosque. That won't be pretty.

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#107 Jul 29, 2013
Church of Christ Doctrinal Evolution >>> straight from the Baptist Church and retaining all outward signs, symbols, rites and liturgies identifiable as Baptist with no linkage whatsoever with the early Church.
killedjoe

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#108 Jul 29, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Now come on you being the History buff you claim are not familiar with the Greek Orthodox?
The Greek Church came about at the Nicecan Counsel. When the church elected a leader and declared him Pope and announce what the pope says now and in the future was law, Greek church came because they believe that the church was being run by man, and since man is a sinner, mistakes will happen. This is also the beginning of the CC.
killedjoe

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#109 Jul 29, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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I told you about all I know off the top of my head. I see no reason to go to Wikipedia or elsewhere and cut and paste like so many do here. One thing I am watching is the demand by muslims to turn the Hagia Sophia, now a museum and once the architectural crown of Christianity, back into a mosque. That won't be pretty.
Well since you claim to talk off the "Top of your head", you should slow down with the insults and the condemning. You don't want to research, your not learning. The CC was very good at this up until the mid 1600's, scaring people into believing what they say and not learning.

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#110 Jul 29, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Church of Christ Doctrinal Evolution >>> straight from the Baptist Church and retaining all outward signs, symbols, rites and liturgies identifiable as Baptist with no linkage whatsoever with the early Church.
Lets talk about the Church that Christ died for. When did it exist, has it always existed since that time, and was it perfect and without error?
killedjoe

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#111 Jul 29, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Lets talk about the Church that Christ died for. When did it exist, has it always existed since that time, and was it perfect and without error?
Truth, the Church that christ died for really does not exist yet. If it did, the world would not be in the shape it is in. The church (all demonination of Christians and jews and Moslems) is run by mankind who are sinner. "The wages of sin is death." Every pope and every religious leader has died, therefore the church is not perfect.

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#112 Jul 29, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Lets talk about the Church that Christ died for. When did it exist, has it always existed since that time, and was it perfect and without error?
Really what you are wanting to say is your Church of Christ is perfect and without error even though it sprang from the Campbell/Stone loins by way of the Baptist Church.

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#113 Jul 30, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Truth, the Church that christ died for really does not exist yet. If it did, the world would not be in the shape it is in. The church (all demonination of Christians and jews and Moslems) is run by mankind who are sinner. "The wages of sin is death." Every pope and every religious leader has died, therefore the church is not perfect.
I disagree as the writers of the Testament wrote to the church.

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#114 Jul 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Really what you are wanting to say is your Church of Christ is perfect and without error even though it sprang from the Campbell/Stone loins by way of the Baptist Church.
nope asking about the first century church or according to you the RCC. When did it start was it perfect if not when did it become perfect.
killedjoe

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#115 Jul 30, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree as the writers of the Testament wrote to the church.
CC did not exist yet, he wrote to the believers of the Good News.

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#116 Jul 30, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> CC did not exist yet, he wrote to the believers of the Good News.
Acts
On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.

But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison.

Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace and was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it increased in numbers.

Shall I go on?
killedjoe

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#117 Jul 30, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Acts
On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.
But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison.
Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace and was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it increased in numbers.
Shall I go on?
Please go look up the word Church means. then maybe you'll understand.

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#118 Jul 30, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Please go look up the word Church means. then maybe you'll understand.
I know what the word means and it was reference in those and many other text. Your claim was the church was not formed yet, As the text states it was. The church is the called out. Those who obeyed the call from the word of God were added to a group of called out known as the Church or the Body of Christ. Now are you saying the Body of Christ ie the Church did not exist in the book of ACts?

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#120 Jul 30, 2013
For a non-Catholic to charge the Roman Catholic church with false teaching is not comprehendible, for to a Catholic, doctrine is defined by the Organization. It is like telling God, He is wrong. God is the standard of right and wrong! To a Catholic, the Roman Catholic organization is the earthly standard of right and wrong and doctrine. Yet the truth is that the Bible, not the church, is the ultimate standard on earth of right and wrong. Jesus said that our standard of judgment would be his word, not what the pope says. John 12:48

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#121 Jul 30, 2013
The Catholics reject several of the specific canons of the early ecumenical councils, but the orthodox accept them as inspired.
Catholics and Orthodox disagree on the dates of Christmas and Easter. While the Orthodox church claims council at Nice was inspired, yet is rejects the canons of Nicea on the date of Easter which the Catholics accept.
The Catholics teach purgatory, yet the Orthodox reject it.
Universal papal jurisdiction was a rather large dogfight in 588-606 AD.
Although the Orthodox reject Papal infallibility, the decisions of the orthodox synods are considered infallible.
The Immaculate Conception is utterly rejected by the Orthodox.
The orthodox baptized by full immersion (thrice), the Catholics sprinkle.
In the Orthodox Church married men can become priests. In the Catholic church men are forbidden to marry.(except for one small part of the world)
The Roman Catholic church introduced instrumental music no earlier than the 7th century and the Orthodox church has never used instrumental music, but like the apostles, sang without instrument.

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#122 Jul 30, 2013
The Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches make the identical claim of apostolic succession, yet are so different they are not even in communion!
killedjoe

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#123 Jul 30, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>I know what the word means and it was reference in those and many other text. Your claim was the church was not formed yet, As the text states it was. The church is the called out. Those who obeyed the call from the word of God were added to a group of called out known as the Church or the Body of Christ. Now are you saying the Body of Christ ie the Church did not exist in the book of ACts?
The word church comes from the Greek language meaning To assemble, to congergate, to meet. Because of this, this is whyKJV bible has "many" mistranslations to which continue to exist today.

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